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On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:42:32 -0500, Ronnie said:

>On Tue, 25 May 2004 00:30:07 GMT, user@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>Thing is, I use laptops so opening them up in order to set up a new
>>RTV HD is not really an option. :-(
>>
>
>So, you see a part of the extra versatility of desktop computers,
>where it's easy to connect an extra HD or two. I'm typing this on a
>laptop, but would not want to have no desktop systems at all.

yeah but this would have been literally the first and only time I
would use a desktop system...not as easy to take it to/from the office
or on trips as my laptops...
 

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On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:19:26 GMT, user@comcast.net wrote:

>On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:42:32 -0500, Ronnie said:
>
>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 00:30:07 GMT, user@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>>Thing is, I use laptops so opening them up in order to set up a new
>>>RTV HD is not really an option. :-(
>>>
>>
>>So, you see a part of the extra versatility of desktop computers,
>>where it's easy to connect an extra HD or two. I'm typing this on a
>>laptop, but would not want to have no desktop systems at all.
>
>yeah but this would have been literally the first and only time I
>would use a desktop system...not as easy to take it to/from the office
>or on trips as my laptops...

Laptops are good for some things. I just found it strange to have no
desktop too.
 

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All is not lost, epsecially if you don't mind a little extra investment.
Buy and USB/Firewire external drive enclosure that will accomadate a
standard 3.5" internal hard disk.

If your laptop has firewire go with that interface. If you have USB2.0
it is about equal to the firewire. If you have USB1.1 the imaging of
the drive wil take longer but otherwise will work just fine.

If you don't have USB on your laptop -- you need to upgrade <g>.

You should be able to find an enclosure from a Computer Parts store or
online vendor for $20-$80 without the drive.


user@comcast.net wrote in news:sp45b0drdclhg6m2qsq33lb3vo498gn54j@
4ax.com:

> Thing is, I use laptops so opening them up in order to set up a new
> RTV HD is not really an option. :-(
>
> On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:05:53 GMT, Steph
><CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT> said:
>
>>Go to the AVS forums and read up on using the utility; you should be
>>able to find step-by-step directions even some with pictures that make
>>it pretty darn easy to follow.
>>
>>The simplest way to upgrade is to not both with your old drive,
>>especially given the clanking from it - it might hang during the
copying
>>of your data (shows) anyway.
>>
>>Get a new hard drive, size and spindle speed of your choosing. I chose
a
>>250GB 5400 RPM drive. Others have not reported trouble with 7200 RPM
>>drive and heat - but my RTV is inside a cabinet.
>>
>>Then download the image file for a up to date RTV unit to match your
>>hardware (45xx?). Again the AVS forum is your friend here.
>>
>>Open your computer, and again the simplest method is to plug the new
HD
>>into the ribbon for the secondary IDE interface. Chances are you have
>>maybe a CD-ROM and/or ZIP drive already attached; unbplug those and
>>have only the HD. Attach power also.
>>
>>If you run Windows, you can use the windows utility, else download the
>>Linux boot disk. Just follow the instructions to image your new HD
with
>>the RTV software.
>>
>>Remove the drive and put back your CDROM and others the way they were,
>>close the computer.
>>
>>Now take your RTV. Open it via removal of the 8 screws (or x #).
>>Disconnect and remove the existing 40GB drive. Swap drives in the
>>bracket and reinstall. Plug it all in, close it up, turn it on and
set
>>it up as if it were new.
>>
>>Done.
>>
>>
>>
>>user@comcast.net wrote in
>>news:1ctua054ivevlciv6njodv10feq935gvfq@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> VERY cool info. Thank you very much! But I am still unclear about
how
>>> what I'd do with that UNIX boot disk and how my computer relates to
>>> the RTV. Are you saying that I would initially load the RTV software
>>> onto the new HD via my computer? As in, put the new HD in my
computer,
>>> run the boot disk, and load the software image? I hope that's not
what
>>> you mean b/c I use a laptop and I'm not sure if it'll play nice with
a
>>> different HD.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC), General Kireiko
>>><douglas@panix.com> said:
>>>
>>>>user@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>: <douglas@panix.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>:>The subscription is NOT on the hard disk, it's stored elsewhere in
>>>>:>the unit. THe likely culprit of your freeze-ups and daily re-
boots
>>>>:>is likely a failing hard disk. (Bad sectors)
>>>>
>>>>: Seriously?!?!?? The tech support people said it sounded like a
>>>>: software problem and the software was becoming buggy and that
there
>>>>: was no way to fix it other than to ship it to them for repair (at
my
>>>>: expense, since it's out of warranty). I'd much rather replace the
HD
>>>>: if it would help.
>>>>
>>>>And it'll give you more space to record shows.
>>>>
>>>>: Let me ask you this: It makes a really bad clunking sound -- like
>>>>: metal striking metal about every .75 seconds. It will keep doing
>>>>: this until I unplug it. To me, that sounds like a hardware thing.
>>>>: But that's not the only problem; after I watch a show and go to
>>>>: delete it, the screen goes black for a long time. Sometimes for
just
>>>>: a few minutes but sometimes for longer and the only way I found to
>>>>: recover is to again unplug it. This is what I was told is a
software
>>>>: problem.
>>>>
>>>>"Clunk... clunk..... clunk...."
>>>>The hard disk is failing.
>>>>Get a new one.
>>>>Buy a MAXTOR, they are highly recommended over other brands,
including
>>>>Western Digital.
>>>>
>>>>:>If you had purchased a lifetime sub, all you'd need to do is swap
>>>>:>out the hard disk with a new (and larger) one, and put the
software
>>>>:>image onto it. (The images are available on-line.) And you'd have
a
>>>>:>new machine, and wouldn't lose out on your lifetime siubscription.
>>>>
>>>>: Definitely!! How difficult is it to replace the HD? Easier or more
>>>>: difficult than swapping a computer's HD? What are the most common
>>>>: problems people sometimes encounter when swapping their HD's? The
>>>>: RTV software should recognize a larger HD? I'm sure I'd lose my
>>>>: saved shows, so I'd be prepared for that. Forgive me if these are
>>>>: stupid questions but I came here because I do not know.
>>>>
>>>>Repalceing the hard disk is no different than swapping out the one
in
>>>>your PC. They use the same hardware and interface (IDE ribbon).
>>>>Since your machine is already out of its warranty period, you have
>>>>nothing to lose by trying, except your time. Even if the new HD
does
>>>>not take, you can always make use of the HD in your PC.
>>>>
>>>>You *MAY* lose your shows. If you can salvage the OS off your
>>>>existing HD, you may simply be able to delete all of your corrupted
>>>>shows, and salvage those which are not corrupted.
>>>>
>>>>The only difficulty will be getting the image onto the new hard
disk.
>>>>If oyu have a NEW PC, you can download a UNIX boot disk w/ a program
>>>>which will make you a *new* HD for your ReplayTV (You'll need the
>>>>image of the softare, of course). Old PCs (w/ older BIOSes cannot
be
>>>>used to do this). Bottom line is your PC's BIOS must recognize the
>>>>full size of the HD to make everything work.
>>>>
>>>>I am no expert in the area, but the friendly folk over at the AVS
>>>>forums (do an internet search on "AVS Forum" and "Replay" and I am
>>>>sure you will find the site (it's gotta lot of purple on it).
There
>>>>are FAQs and links and downloadable material to help you swap out
the
>>>>hard disk and get a software image.
>>>>
>>>>The age of your machine may limit you to 137 GB for storing recorded
>>>>shows. (Check the FAQs). But 137 hours is likely 3x what your
machine
>>>>can record now.
>>>>
>>>>Other components of the ReplayTV rarely fail (maybe a modem, but
there
>>>>are workarounds for that, too.)
>>>>
>>>>Other people know this, which is why a malfunctioning LIFETIME
>>>>ReplayTV is easily fixable. The subscription is flashed PROMed onto
>>>>the motherboard of the unit, which is why it travels with the box,
not
>>>>the owner.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck.
>>>>
>>>>-Doug
>>>
 
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In article <Xns94F5571A752D2skipatroluunet@24.94.29.221>,
CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT says...
> All is not lost, epsecially if you don't mind a little extra investment.
> Buy and USB/Firewire external drive enclosure that will accomadate a
> standard 3.5" internal hard disk.
>
> If your laptop has firewire go with that interface. If you have USB2.0
> it is about equal to the firewire. If you have USB1.1 the imaging of
> the drive wil take longer but otherwise will work just fine.
>
> If you don't have USB on your laptop -- you need to upgrade <g>.
>
> You should be able to find an enclosure from a Computer Parts store or
> online vendor for $20-$80 without the drive.
>

You would two of these wouldn't you? One for the drive from the RTV and
one for the new drive.
 

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EXCELLENT idea! Thank you!


On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:32:50 GMT, Steph
<CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT> said:

>All is not lost, epsecially if you don't mind a little extra investment.
>Buy and USB/Firewire external drive enclosure that will accomadate a
>standard 3.5" internal hard disk.
>
>If your laptop has firewire go with that interface. If you have USB2.0
>it is about equal to the firewire. If you have USB1.1 the imaging of
>the drive wil take longer but otherwise will work just fine.
>
>If you don't have USB on your laptop -- you need to upgrade <g>.
>
>You should be able to find an enclosure from a Computer Parts store or
>online vendor for $20-$80 without the drive.
>
>
>user@comcast.net wrote in news:sp45b0drdclhg6m2qsq33lb3vo498gn54j@
>4ax.com:
>
>> Thing is, I use laptops so opening them up in order to set up a new
>> RTV HD is not really an option. :-(
>>
>> On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:05:53 GMT, Steph
>><CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT> said:
>>
>>>Go to the AVS forums and read up on using the utility; you should be
>>>able to find step-by-step directions even some with pictures that make
>>>it pretty darn easy to follow.
>>>
>>>The simplest way to upgrade is to not both with your old drive,
>>>especially given the clanking from it - it might hang during the
>copying
>>>of your data (shows) anyway.
>>>
>>>Get a new hard drive, size and spindle speed of your choosing. I chose
>a
>>>250GB 5400 RPM drive. Others have not reported trouble with 7200 RPM
>>>drive and heat - but my RTV is inside a cabinet.
>>>
>>>Then download the image file for a up to date RTV unit to match your
>>>hardware (45xx?). Again the AVS forum is your friend here.
>>>
>>>Open your computer, and again the simplest method is to plug the new
>HD
>>>into the ribbon for the secondary IDE interface. Chances are you have
>>>maybe a CD-ROM and/or ZIP drive already attached; unbplug those and
>>>have only the HD. Attach power also.
>>>
>>>If you run Windows, you can use the windows utility, else download the
>>>Linux boot disk. Just follow the instructions to image your new HD
>with
>>>the RTV software.
>>>
>>>Remove the drive and put back your CDROM and others the way they were,
>>>close the computer.
>>>
>>>Now take your RTV. Open it via removal of the 8 screws (or x #).
>>>Disconnect and remove the existing 40GB drive. Swap drives in the
>>>bracket and reinstall. Plug it all in, close it up, turn it on and
>set
>>>it up as if it were new.
>>>
>>>Done.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>user@comcast.net wrote in
>>>news:1ctua054ivevlciv6njodv10feq935gvfq@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Doug,
>>>>
>>>> VERY cool info. Thank you very much! But I am still unclear about
>how
>>>> what I'd do with that UNIX boot disk and how my computer relates to
>>>> the RTV. Are you saying that I would initially load the RTV software
>>>> onto the new HD via my computer? As in, put the new HD in my
>computer,
>>>> run the boot disk, and load the software image? I hope that's not
>what
>>>> you mean b/c I use a laptop and I'm not sure if it'll play nice with
>a
>>>> different HD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC), General Kireiko
>>>><douglas@panix.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>>user@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>: <douglas@panix.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>:>The subscription is NOT on the hard disk, it's stored elsewhere in
>>>>>:>the unit. THe likely culprit of your freeze-ups and daily re-
>boots
>>>>>:>is likely a failing hard disk. (Bad sectors)
>>>>>
>>>>>: Seriously?!?!?? The tech support people said it sounded like a
>>>>>: software problem and the software was becoming buggy and that
>there
>>>>>: was no way to fix it other than to ship it to them for repair (at
>my
>>>>>: expense, since it's out of warranty). I'd much rather replace the
>HD
>>>>>: if it would help.
>>>>>
>>>>>And it'll give you more space to record shows.
>>>>>
>>>>>: Let me ask you this: It makes a really bad clunking sound -- like
>>>>>: metal striking metal about every .75 seconds. It will keep doing
>>>>>: this until I unplug it. To me, that sounds like a hardware thing.
>>>>>: But that's not the only problem; after I watch a show and go to
>>>>>: delete it, the screen goes black for a long time. Sometimes for
>just
>>>>>: a few minutes but sometimes for longer and the only way I found to
>>>>>: recover is to again unplug it. This is what I was told is a
>software
>>>>>: problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Clunk... clunk..... clunk...."
>>>>>The hard disk is failing.
>>>>>Get a new one.
>>>>>Buy a MAXTOR, they are highly recommended over other brands,
>including
>>>>>Western Digital.
>>>>>
>>>>>:>If you had purchased a lifetime sub, all you'd need to do is swap
>>>>>:>out the hard disk with a new (and larger) one, and put the
>software
>>>>>:>image onto it. (The images are available on-line.) And you'd have
>a
>>>>>:>new machine, and wouldn't lose out on your lifetime siubscription.
>>>>>
>>>>>: Definitely!! How difficult is it to replace the HD? Easier or more
>>>>>: difficult than swapping a computer's HD? What are the most common
>>>>>: problems people sometimes encounter when swapping their HD's? The
>>>>>: RTV software should recognize a larger HD? I'm sure I'd lose my
>>>>>: saved shows, so I'd be prepared for that. Forgive me if these are
>>>>>: stupid questions but I came here because I do not know.
>>>>>
>>>>>Repalceing the hard disk is no different than swapping out the one
>in
>>>>>your PC. They use the same hardware and interface (IDE ribbon).
>>>>>Since your machine is already out of its warranty period, you have
>>>>>nothing to lose by trying, except your time. Even if the new HD
>does
>>>>>not take, you can always make use of the HD in your PC.
>>>>>
>>>>>You *MAY* lose your shows. If you can salvage the OS off your
>>>>>existing HD, you may simply be able to delete all of your corrupted
>>>>>shows, and salvage those which are not corrupted.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only difficulty will be getting the image onto the new hard
>disk.
>>>>>If oyu have a NEW PC, you can download a UNIX boot disk w/ a program
>>>>>which will make you a *new* HD for your ReplayTV (You'll need the
>>>>>image of the softare, of course). Old PCs (w/ older BIOSes cannot
>be
>>>>>used to do this). Bottom line is your PC's BIOS must recognize the
>>>>>full size of the HD to make everything work.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am no expert in the area, but the friendly folk over at the AVS
>>>>>forums (do an internet search on "AVS Forum" and "Replay" and I am
>>>>>sure you will find the site (it's gotta lot of purple on it).
>There
>>>>>are FAQs and links and downloadable material to help you swap out
>the
>>>>>hard disk and get a software image.
>>>>>
>>>>>The age of your machine may limit you to 137 GB for storing recorded
>>>>>shows. (Check the FAQs). But 137 hours is likely 3x what your
>machine
>>>>>can record now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other components of the ReplayTV rarely fail (maybe a modem, but
>there
>>>>>are workarounds for that, too.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Other people know this, which is why a malfunctioning LIFETIME
>>>>>ReplayTV is easily fixable. The subscription is flashed PROMed onto
>>>>>the motherboard of the unit, which is why it travels with the box,
>not
>>>>>the owner.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Doug
>>>>
 

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Two?
Depends on your situation.
Assume your RTV has a 40GB drive and your laptop has a 60GB. Provided
you have ~40GB of space (actually the image compresses) you could copy
over your entire original RTV disk and shows to the laptop and then
switch external drives and write the image out.

This thread began with the user's HD making terrible clunking noises. I
would suggest not attempting to migrate over existing shows, and not
even trying to use the original drive at all.

Download the appropriate image for the RTV unit, the laptop should have
enough space to temporarily store it, and write it out to a new HD.

Now of course if you wanted to image directly from one physical drive to
another you would need someway to attach both at the same time. So yes
either two separate enclosures, or a single enclosure designed to hold
multiple EIDE devices.....

For exmaple after a quick search how about this total overkill device
http://www.cooldrives.com/3usb20ficodu.html

<grin>

Robin Brumfield <rbrumfield@charter.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1b1e8daaff65cda59896b3@News.individual.net:

> In article <Xns94F5571A752D2skipatroluunet@24.94.29.221>,
> CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT says...
>> All is not lost, epsecially if you don't mind a little extra
investment.
>> Buy and USB/Firewire external drive enclosure that will accomadate a
>> standard 3.5" internal hard disk.
>>
>> If your laptop has firewire go with that interface. If you have
USB2.0
>> it is about equal to the firewire. If you have USB1.1 the imaging of
>> the drive wil take longer but otherwise will work just fine.
>>
>> If you don't have USB on your laptop -- you need to upgrade <g>.
>>
>> You should be able to find an enclosure from a Computer Parts store
or
>> online vendor for $20-$80 without the drive.
>>
>
> You would two of these wouldn't you? One for the drive from the RTV
and
> one for the new drive.