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"Ben Rosengart" <br+rpdss@panix.com> wrote in message
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> On 14 Jun 2005 08:55:54 -0400, Michael Meissner
<mrmnews@the-meissners.org>
> wrote:
> > Ben Rosengart <br+rpdss@panix.com> writes:
> >> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:20:18 -0400, alu <none@none.com> wrote:
> >> > "Ben Rosengart" <br+rpdss@panix.com> wrote
> >> >
> >> >> You can have an optical viewfinder, or a through-the-lens
viewfinder,
> >> >> but not both -- not with an all-in-one camera.
> >> >
> >> > My mistake re: terminology - what I'm after ideally is TTL as I have
in the
> >> > 2500, not EV and not optical (point-n-shoot) viewfinder - any
suggestions?
> >>
> >> How exactly does this viewfinder work then?
> >
> > There are 3 main types of viewfinders, unfortunately 2 of them are
called
> > optical.
>
> Two of them *are* optical. But only one of them is "through the
> lens", and as you say, that's the kind found only in SLRs. So alu
> doesn't want an SLR, but he doesn't want an "optical (point-n-shoot)
> viewfinder" either -- and that leaves 0 optical options.
>
> My guess is that alu is mistaken and the 2500's viewfinder does
> not provide a view through the taking lens. Perhaps it is just a
> better than average non-TTL viewfinder. My other guess is that alu
> misunderstands the meaning of "TTL", which (as you know) refers to
> a view through the same lens that's used to expose the sensor.
>
> Alu, consider an Oly 5050 perhaps? It has a nice zooming optical
> viewfinder, and an f/1.8 lens on the wide end. It's a little
> outdated but still a nice camera. I am considering shedding my
> 8080 and picking up a 5050 myself.
>
> --
> Ben Rosengart

Hi Ben,
I've cleared up my mistake - why speculate? - please check the links I
provided in the initial question if you're still confused.
(i.e., the 2500L does indeed have a TTL viewfinder.)

I'm curious why you would consider the 5050, as the lens starts at 35mm
(equiv.) vs. 28mm, and the resolution is lower.
Why not the 7070?
Why would you get rid of the 8080? Any problems with it, or don't you like
the EVF?

-alu
 
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:03:03 -0400, alu <none@none.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
> I've cleared up my mistake - why speculate? - please check the links I
> provided in the initial question if you're still confused.
> (i.e., the 2500L does indeed have a TTL viewfinder.)

Ok, I'll go look.

> I'm curious why you would consider the 5050, as the lens starts at 35mm
> (equiv.) vs. 28mm, and the resolution is lower.

Faster lens, smaller camera, optical viewfinder.

> Why not the 7070?

I hadn't really looked at that camera. It looks really nice. I'm
not sure it would be worth the extra money to me over a 5050,
especially considering the lens is slower.

> Why would you get rid of the 8080? Any problems with it, or don't you like
> the EVF?

No problems. I don't like the EVF.

--
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questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing.
--Josh Micah Marshall
 
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:03:03 -0400, alu <none@none.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
> I've cleared up my mistake - why speculate? - please check the links I
> provided in the initial question if you're still confused.
> (i.e., the 2500L does indeed have a TTL viewfinder.)

I see! It's an SLR with a fixed lens. I see that Olympus has
always had innovative solutions to the dust problem. :) I
apologize for doubting you.

So what you really want is a digital SLR without the hassle and
expense of interchangeable lenses, right? To the best of my
knowledge, no one is marketing anything like that these days.

What are you thinking you'll go for?

--
Ben Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215
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questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing.
--Josh Micah Marshall
 

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"Ben Rosengart" <br+rpdss@panix.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:03:03 -0400, alu <none@none.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> > I've cleared up my mistake - why speculate? - please check the links I
> > provided in the initial question if you're still confused.
> > (i.e., the 2500L does indeed have a TTL viewfinder.)
>
> I see! It's an SLR with a fixed lens. I see that Olympus has
> always had innovative solutions to the dust problem. :) I
> apologize for doubting you.
>
> So what you really want is a digital SLR without the hassle and
> expense of interchangeable lenses, right? To the best of my
> knowledge, no one is marketing anything like that these days.
>
> What are you thinking you'll go for?
>
> --
> Ben Rosengart

_____________________________________

After some compromising, this wound up being the research list, in no
particular order:

Minolta DiMAGE Z5, A200
Canon Powershot Pro1, Digital Rebel EOS 300D, G6
Panasonic DMC-LC1, DMC-FZ5
Olympus 5060, 7070, 8080
Olympus E-20N (note Michael Meissner's post re: this camera - it is in fact
the only all-in-one TTL anyone came up with)
Nikon D50, Coolpix 8400, 5400

They all have their disadvantages on paper - I'll probably wind up with the
7070 or 8080, but as suggested by Pete, I'll get some hands-on experience
with the top contenders first.

** Please let me know exactly what you disliked about the EVF in the 8080,
e.g., lighting conditions, motion problems, etc.. **
Thanks everyone.
-alu
 
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:32:18 -0400, alu <none@none.com> wrote:
>
> ** Please let me know exactly what you disliked about the EVF in the 8080,
> e.g., lighting conditions, motion problems, etc.. **

It wasn't any one thing. Well, I found manual focusing a real
challenge. But mostly it's just that an optical viewfinder gives
so much more detail.

--
Ben Rosengart (212) 741-4400 x215
Sometimes it only makes sense to focus our attention on those
questions that are equal parts trivial and intriguing.
--Josh Micah Marshall