Americans Need Jobs; Firms Look to India

[Godiwa]

well the consumers deliver a BIG part for this problem

they want CHEAP stuff instead of GOOD stuff, hence we got "Made in China" and now that evolved to "Developed in India" but all you have to blame is the american consumers.

the words are cheap cheap cheap instead of quality quality quality.

be proud of you country, buy national products, buy food at the farmers market instead of the supermarket, buy national and drop all this "Made in China" crap, kids toys with poisonous paint and such

clothing? most of it is made in cheap countries, but you get much better quality if you buy stuff made in your own country and yes it costs more, but it lasts longer too

 

[r0x0r]

[citation][nom]rhys216[/nom]We will see how funny it is when most of you are struggling to feed your families, because if you all didn't know America is Bankrupt.No one is trying to 'really' do anything about it.The Dollar is dead and the Amero will soon be born, courtesy of the New World Order and 'Global Economy'.[/citation]

Ah so you saw the movie Zeitgeist as well. It all makes sense, especially with the Federal reserve Bank being privately owned

You want a better economy America? Get your government to take back control of the flow of money into your economy. The reason why you're in so much debt is because you have to borrow it from the privately owned Fed. Then you have to pay it back with interest. Where are you going to get the money to pay back the Fed? From the only people who have money to lend... (the Fed)

Why do you think there are wars? War is the biggest debt producer of all. There's usually no real ideology behind a war; it's for financial purposes only (see Vietnam, Iraq). US decides to go to war (against the will of the majority of it's people I might add), then they need money to finance the war. Enter the Fed.

Also, everyone on here makes it sound like you need a job to make money. There's a reason why you aren't taught about finance and money in schools, even though money affects everything. It's so that you don't figure out that anything that requires you to trade your hours for dollars is a poor financial plan. If you plan on getting rich by working, you better plan on living forever.

Think about it guys. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but damn, all the pieces fit together a little to conveniently for it to not be at least plausible.

Cue thumbs down...

 

[Zingam]

[citation][nom]chripuck[/nom]Too bad the Indian's are moron's. I say that from intimate experience. If you give them an exact guide on how to proceed they do a good job for a fraction of the price of an American worker, but ask them to think outside of the box and they just can't cut it.The poor creativity of the average Indian is part of a reason my IT firm get's business. We always get called in to clean up their messes. Of course most of our business comes from Europe and we have yet to tap into our main client's US business because they haven't figured out yet how crappy their Indian outsourcing is.[/citation]


You know, people say the same about US specialists...

 

[rhys216]

^^^
Lol! if they do thumbs down it will be the sad to see.
No I haven't seen that movie, but what you have said is all documented
history and facts.
One more, Rothchild's funded both Nazi Germany & the Allies before and during WW2.
And about the FED being a profit seeking privately owned bank, this fraudulent system doesn't allow America to not ever be in debt!
why doesn't the average Joe know this? As it's quite a big freakin deal!

Because the average Joe is kept in an orderly line in the heard by his TV and thinks what he is told to think.
Oh and 'MAN MADE' 'Global Warming'strange how the SUN is getting warmer to, and so are the rest of the planets in our solar system.
But where does the Earth get it's warmth from again?
Cue the 'New Carbon' economy i.e. the new world currency because as you know it's a 'Global' problem and we need a Global Solution. It would Fit well with a 'Global World Government' won't it.

Shame this is to BIG for sheeple to believe despite being provided 'x' amount of facts and evidence until it happens.

 

[coolkev99]

What do you expect when you tax corporations 30%+, not to mention unions. This is yet another example of goverment not looking at unintended consequences of policies. Our goverment should be doing everything in its power to help companies THRIVE. This creates jobs. Jobs create consumer confidence. You know the rest...

 

[cyberkuberiah]

[citation][nom]Godiwa[/nom]well the consumers deliver a BIG part for this problemthey want CHEAP stuff instead of GOOD stuff, hence we got "Made in China" and now that evolved to "Developed in India" but all you have to blame is the american consumers.the words are cheap cheap cheap instead of quality quality quality.be proud of you country, buy national products, buy food at the farmers market instead of the supermarket, buy national and drop all this "Made in China" crap, kids toys with poisonous paint and suchclothing? most of it is made in cheap countries, but you get much better quality if you buy stuff made in your own country and yes it costs more, but it lasts longer too[/citation]

china is producing and selling goods but with a made in india tag you see whats the problem here ? but why would they do that ? go figure it out .

all the major companies here are sei/cmm level 5 (highest) certified , if u are into tech u would know what that is .

last time i checked with my junior in college , www.nitk.ac.in , he was working on a 10m dollar research project , collaborating with australians and irish employees of the company .

the key word is collaboration : they were also reverse outsourcing some cuda - enabled accelaration to a third party , a u.s company .

 

[reininop]

[citation][nom]autoboy[/nom]"Taking American jobs away from the American people makes no sense at all."Who said they were ever American jobs? If it wasn't so hard to hire an American, maybe I would hire more of them. Just wait until this health care bill passes and I am fined for not giving my American workers health care that I can't afford.Or how about the Cap and Tax (Trade) bill that will increase energy costs so high that it doesn't make sense to even keep the lights on in America. Why should I hire more people in America if it costs me so much?When will the idiots get it through their head that we live in a world economy and we are competing with the world. The world doesn't have government mandated health care, or cap and tax, or minimum wage, or unions. There is only so much an employer can take before these add up and make him move. Hiring talented Americans is great. Overpaying them and the US government sucks. My only goal is to have a successful business so I can feed my family and please my investors that took a risk to invest in me. If I am successful, my investors make money so they can invest in another company, creating more jobs, creating more wealth, and increasing everyone's standard of living. Profits fuel job growth and standard of living growth. They are not evil. They go towards developing more jobs and more technology. Stop being stupid America.[/citation]

Attitudes like yours are what got us in to this mess. You want a wage to take care of your family, but if you pay your worker 1/5 of what you make, it's too damn much. This all for me attitude by those that are wealthy or wish to be wealthy is counterproductive to keeping the majority of Americans working and spending. And it isn't just the uneducated, undervalued worker doing the things we don't want that feels this greedy pinch. There aren't jobs for people like me with engineering degrees to go around because of the manufacturing exodus. You are right in thinking this is a global economy, but it's about time we start focusing on stabilizing our part of the globe.

 

[radnor]

As an European, i have a bit to say here.

I don't say indians suck, but i do say americans should be more aware as a consumer.

I'm Portuguese living/working in Galicia (Spain). I do try to buy most my prodcuts Made in SPAIN, if Galician products are not available. That is trend that is followed by most local consumers, the results?

We still have production here. While the Supply chain of a product is uncontrollable , there is still producting and developement of many products. Like many other things we Europeans have, I think americans should adopt.

The Buy American Slogan i don't think it is too bad for you Americans. Maybe you should buy less and better, and be more nacionalist in some types of products. You can't control the supply chain, but you choose what to consume.

As an IT professional, during this "crisis" i've seen many preenptive layoffs , reduced pays or worse. While the same companies were still having record gains. Honestly, there are many brands that i don't recomend nor will i buy.

That is my power as a consumer.

 

[r0x0r]

[citation][nom]reininop[/nom]There aren't jobs for people like me with engineering degrees to go around because of the manufacturing exodus. You are right in thinking this is a global economy, but it's about time we start focusing on stabilizing our part of the globe.[/citation]

Financial survival:
Education--->Job--->Income capped by others

Financial freedom
Dreams x Income vehicle x Work = Financial freedom

That's why, even with your degree, you're experiencing financial uncertainty. Because you're working for someone else's dreams instead of your own (like the 95% of people who share the 15% of the wealth do). I also have a job as well so no hate from me.

Out in the real world though A-grade students work for C-grade students.

Sorry if that was harsh but if you want to improve your financial standing you need to increase your FQ and not your IQ.

Learn how to take advantage of the opportunities that change brings. It's not as though any of us can avoid it so it would be best to spend our limited time and energy on making the best of it.

 

[Guest]

why so much anger on indians ....yu amerians or ukians ...dont make funny statment that yu are too intelligent(fools yu are)

 

[pocketdrummer]

At least it's not Manila (Philippines). I mean... yeah, they can speak English pretty well, but for the love of god, they are horrible at phone support.

Not to mention, the Indian tech support guys I've talked to were very rude. It seems to be a trend over there.

 

[ta152h]

I get a lot of comments when working talking to people about how much they fear getting sent to Indians when they need technical support. It's very common, and based on the collapse of Dell, it does influence buying behavior. People don't want to even call Dell because they're afraid they'll get an "Indian jackass" on the other end, and deal with the accent and lack of knowledge. So, there's a real cost benefit, but you have to measure that against the inferior support you are now giving, and see if it makes sense. For research, why not? But, for support centers, where you have to actually talk to someone from a country with an thick accent, and less training, there's a real danger for companies. That last think a customer wants deal with is someone they can't understand clearly, which is exaggerated by the phone system making it worse, while they are stressed out with a problem regarding a machine they are already intimidated by.

I wouldn't outsource telephone support to India. I think it's a dangerous move. But, email support, or other situations it could make sense.

 

[grieve]

I am Canadian and have read every post in this SAD thread.

What’s with the India hate? Seriously you guys should be ashamed of your prejudiced comments. How many times did I read “ALL” or “THEM” when referring to India…. Stereotype much? Or I suppose you know all 1Bil Indians?

American’s need to realize YOUR banks fucked the global economy by selling American’s houses they couldn’t afford, 1 TRILLION WORTH! THAT IS why your economy is fucked, not because M$ outsourced to India. The economy collapse effects more than USA but you are so self centered you wouldn’t know, in fact you know shit about any other country. USA, USA, USA…… Yes, it’s a stereotype and guess what? The other 194 countries label you that same way.

Straight up, I think American’s better get used to what’s happening because USA will never be the way it used to be. Furthermore I believe your reign as “The World Leader” is coming to an end.

Bring on the negatives!

 

[hack__you]

[citation][nom]r0x0r[/nom]Financial survival:Education--->Job--->Income capped by othersFinancial freedomDreams x Income vehicle x Work = Financial freedomThat's why, even with your degree, you're experiencing financial uncertainty. Because you're working for someone else's dreams instead of your own (like the 95% of people who share the 15% of the wealth do). I also have a job as well so no hate from me.Out in the real world though A-grade students work for C-grade students.Sorry if that was harsh but if you want to improve your financial standing you need to increase your FQ and not your IQ. Learn how to take advantage of the opportunities that change brings. It's not as though any of us can avoid it so it would be best to spend our limited time and energy on making the best of it.[/citation]

Unfortunately, American products are made in India and/or China lols

 

[tylenardo]

"but you are so self centered you wouldn’t know, in fact you know shit about any other country. "

Man maybe you should read your own post and take your own advice before you start spewing your own ignorant rhetoric about what america is. Unless that is you know all 300 or so million americans

 

[Guest]

Do any of you know what comparative advantage is? Look it up on Wikipedia. A basic tenet of free trade is that everyone wins when jobs are sent to India and China. Consumers will pay less for a service/good and will be able to invest that in something else. Overall, we as a society gain more with free trade.

 

[Guest]

On this topic I feel that almost everyone involved shares blame for the whole outsourcing issue we see here in the US.

Consumers here are at fault for being largely oblivious to where their goods come from. Either because they cannot afford or do not want to spend more on an American product, or because they're negligently blind to where the product is made. I say we should make it law that all products must be labeled using a standard system to display the country of origin, rather than just being able to hide it in the "fine print".

Companies are at fault because profits are given higher priority than anything else in most cases, and companies are legally bound to act in the best interests of their share holders. Imo, we would all be better off if share holders were just along for the ride. If you make a profit, you took a risk and won, great. If not, you took a risk and lost, too bad. Aside from cases of fraud, I feel a share holder should have no rights. If you don't like how the company does business, take your money elsewhere.

Politicians are at fault for being in the pocket of business. More often than not, when it comes down to making a decision that will help the people but hurt a business, the business comes first in politics, and all in the name of a "free market." When did we change from "By the People, for the People..." to "By the People, for Big Business…"? We can claim that what’s good for business is good for the People, but clearly outsourcing is a situation where that is simply not true. What good is US economic growth to the People if that doesn’t translate in to more jobs or higher wages overall in the US?

Finally, and probably least of all, many (but not all) outsourcing companies are at fault for providing sub-standard goods and services. From lead based paint in toys to programmers with padded resumes. This isn't to say similar situations don't happen in the US, but it's a lot easier for management to tell that the guy in the cubicle next to you is incompetent, than the guy in a cubicle half way around the world hidden behind another company that doesn’t have to play by the same rules as those in the US. And all the certificates and certifications in the world don't mean a thing. There's a big difference between being able to follow a process or demonstrate book knowledge, and actually being good at what you do.

 

[grieve]

[citation][nom]tylenardo[/nom]"but you are so self centered you wouldn’t know, in fact you know shit about any other country. "Man maybe you should read your own post and take your own advice before you start spewing your own ignorant rhetoric about what america is. Unless that is you know all 300 or so million americans[/citation]
Quote it all brother...

""The economy collapse effects more than USA but you are so self centered you wouldn’t know, in fact you know shit about any other country. USA, USA, USA…… Yes, it’s a stereotype and guess what? The other 194 countries label you that same way.""

I CLEARLY state i am stereotyping!

 

[Guest]

I really need to save some legal costs... where can I outsource my legal team? Also, as I shareholder, I think paying our CEO millions isn't very good... Does anyone know of any Indian based outsourcing groups that provide CEOs?

 

[Guest]

Hey Look whos talking. You lazy American (Rather European) Filth. If uwould have been ready to work then I suppose outsourcing wouldn't have been the problem for u. U work for limited no. of hours, we almost slog throught the year.

And it was U who thrust upon us free trade, why cry now. OBAMA under the pretext of recession is just trying to remove all the laziness in U, JUST HELP HIM.