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[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]You know the risks. I don't understand why someone, who is aware of the jailtime associated with such actions - still do it anyways then complains after they were caught that its "Ridiculous". They crank the jailtime to scare you away from doing it. This idiot decided to do it anyways, regardless of the risk and was caught.We ALL assume we'll be that % that won't be caught, well, he was. Thats that.[/citation]
Your logic is honestly chickenshit. The problem is the law being applied is injust. If I made every law applicable for death penalty, does that mean every person that has committeed a petty crime deservs to die? Everybody would be dead.
Your logic is honestly chickenshit. The problem is the law being applied is injust. If I made every law applicable for death penalty, does that mean every person that has committeed a petty crime deservs to die? Everybody would be dead.
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[citation][nom]jgutz2006[/nom]suicide = cowards way out. i'm sure he felt invincible behind his keyboard though[/citation]
You insesitive fuck.
It takes major balls to end your life, your primal instincts kick in. Don't act like you know jackshit about suicide.
You insesitive fuck.
It takes major balls to end your life, your primal instincts kick in. Don't act like you know jackshit about suicide.
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[citation][nom]SubtleEndowment[/nom]Is it unreasonable that this made me cry? Good god, how much longer do we have..[/citation]
Not much. America's problems probably can't be fixed. To me, Anonymous is beating a dead horse at this point.
Or even fascilitating a quicker demise.
Not much. America's problems probably can't be fixed. To me, Anonymous is beating a dead horse at this point.
Or even fascilitating a quicker demise.
[citation][nom]DRosencraft[/nom]First, we should keep the guy's family in our thoughts and prayers. No parent, no matter what their child did, should not have to experience having to bury their child. I don't even favor the death penalty.At the same time, I am in no way going to defend what Mr. Swartz did, nor the response given to his choice to end his life. 35 years is not an easy sentence, but there are thousands sitting in a jail cell for doing far less, and who get far less attention for it. 35 years is not the result of a single charge, it's the result of multiple charges compounded. He was facing multiple counts, and had not even had his trial yet. He may have not been found guilty on some of them, and then wouldn't have even faced the maximum. He was in plea negotiations, in which I believe the Massachusetts D.A was offering him a deal that would have netted him only 6 months in jail. MIT, the plaintiff in the case, was against the deal, which is their right as the victim of the alleged crime, so even if someone is angry about what happened to Mr. Swartz it should be anger at MIT for blocking the plea deal, not at the commission behind sentencing guidelines. Each count only totaled a few months to a few years. When you're accused of dozens of counts of the same crime, eventually they stack up to a lot of time. He hacked MIT's computers, accessed and downloaded millions of files. He should have known at the time he was doing it what he would be facing if he got caught. He is not the first person to face charges on illegally hacking a computer. He could have easily found out what would happen, and everyone knows that hacking is a crime. You don't get to cry foul after-the-fact. It is a tragedy for Mr. Swartz's family that he took his own life. Even if convicted for the crime (which I have not heard any assertions he did not commit) he would have been out probably before he turned fifty due to good behavior if he kept out of trouble behind bars. He wouldn't have served in a maximum security facility, so he wouldn't have been with the murderers and gang-bangers that most think of when they think of prison. He could have done his time, got out, and gone on with his life after that. His fate is a tragedy. The response to that tragedy by the likes of Anonymous is nothing but cowardly, opportunistic, showboating, in an attempt to get people to pay attention to them by way of exploiting this young man's death. It is disgusting, and I hope they rot in prison for it.[/citation]
Go away creationist.
Go away creationist.
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[citation][nom]guardianangel42[/nom]Not much. America's problems probably can't be fixed. To me, Anonymous is beating a dead horse at this point.Or even fascilitating a quicker burial.[/citation]
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Think about it... most folks her think it is no big deal if someone hacks into someone's computer.
Well, let's hear what you have to say if I hack into YOUR computer, download some very personal photos you took of your wife or GF, a copy of your bank statements and other misc. items. Then let the whining start.
If you break into my stuff...be prepared for the consequences.
Well, let's hear what you have to say if I hack into YOUR computer, download some very personal photos you took of your wife or GF, a copy of your bank statements and other misc. items. Then let the whining start.
If you break into my stuff...be prepared for the consequences.
There is much more to this story than what Toms has posted:
While Swartz had indeed compromised MIT's network and the JSTOR database, the Middlesex County district court decided that he wouldn't face jail time for his actions. The matter would have been closed and Swartz would have been "off the hook" so to speak, but United States Attorney Carmen M. Ortiz took up the case and things decidedly took a turn for the worse.
Ortiz decided to hit Swartz with 13 felony charges that could have sent him to jail for up to 35 years. Swartz would also be on the hook for a $1 million fine for his actions. In a 2011 press release, Ortiz declared that, "Stealing is stealing whether you use a computer command or a crowbar, and whether you take documents, data or dollars. It is equally harmful to the victim whether you sell what you have stolen or give it away.”
With the U.S. Government breathing down his neck and with no outlet and no amicable resolution in sight to "humanely" resolve his legal woes, Swartz took his own life on January 11, 2013.
After Swartz committed suicide, Ortiz acknowledged that, “There was no evidence against Mr. Swartz indicating that he committed his acts for personal gain” and that his conduct “did not warrant the severe punishments authorized by Congress.” -
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/www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29754
Why don't these so-called US Attorneys crack down on those responsible for the 2008 collapse of the Financial Markets that set the world economy into a depression?!!?!?
Give me a break, this Carmen M. Ortiz should be condemned for his actions!
While Swartz had indeed compromised MIT's network and the JSTOR database, the Middlesex County district court decided that he wouldn't face jail time for his actions. The matter would have been closed and Swartz would have been "off the hook" so to speak, but United States Attorney Carmen M. Ortiz took up the case and things decidedly took a turn for the worse.
Ortiz decided to hit Swartz with 13 felony charges that could have sent him to jail for up to 35 years. Swartz would also be on the hook for a $1 million fine for his actions. In a 2011 press release, Ortiz declared that, "Stealing is stealing whether you use a computer command or a crowbar, and whether you take documents, data or dollars. It is equally harmful to the victim whether you sell what you have stolen or give it away.”
With the U.S. Government breathing down his neck and with no outlet and no amicable resolution in sight to "humanely" resolve his legal woes, Swartz took his own life on January 11, 2013.
After Swartz committed suicide, Ortiz acknowledged that, “There was no evidence against Mr. Swartz indicating that he committed his acts for personal gain” and that his conduct “did not warrant the severe punishments authorized by Congress.” -
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/www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29754Why don't these so-called US Attorneys crack down on those responsible for the 2008 collapse of the Financial Markets that set the world economy into a depression?!!?!?
Give me a break, this Carmen M. Ortiz should be condemned for his actions!
[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]"faced hacking charges"Well stop hacking peoples stuff.Its always sad to see someone take their own life, but this kid dug his own grave. Stop doing illegal shit and you'll be fine.[/citation]
The only thing that he was guilty of was violating the terms of service, and even beyond that the company who he violated the terms of services with didn't want to press charges.
The reason that they went after them so hard was because he had a connection with WikiLeaks.
I find it sick that my country decides to kill this kid, and then the person who outed the torturer that the United States government was perpetrating it gets 30 months in prison, yet the people who are really hurting this country and doing the bad crap doesn't get anything, the fact to get promoted it's encouraged to be bad.
[citation][nom]dark_wizzie[/nom]WTF is wrong with you? The magnitude of punishment did not balance according to what he did! A kid dies because people are computer-phobic. He would have gotten a lighter sentence if he killed somebody.I stole a piece of candy when I was 6. Do I deserve 35 years in prision? Stop stealing shit and you'll be fine, you say...[/citation]
Fun fact there are very few crimes you could actually commit that will get you a harsher prison sentence than what he got, or leases being charged with.
And here's another thing they were him a lesser sentence if he pled guilty the 13 felonies.
United States government seriously needs reform from the bottom up its corrupt and needs to end.
[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]You know the risks. I don't understand why someone, who is aware of the jailtime associated with such actions - still do it anyways then complains after they were caught that its "Ridiculous". They crank the jailtime to scare you away from doing it. This idiot decided to do it anyways, regardless of the risk and was caught.We ALL assume we'll be that % that won't be caught, well, he was. Thats that.[/citation]
Again he violated terms of services with the company, the only reason he was gone after is because of a possible WikiLeaks connection. They can improve the connection are hoping to get him to roll over and he didn't.
Alice's believe the prosecutor who pushed him to the point he told himself should be completely removed from position it if not beaten to death for severely of overreaching their authority.
[citation][nom]r u srs[/nom]I do not think anyone can say with a straight face that what this guy was doing was wrong (not illegal, just wrong). I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that what the prosecution was doing was right (not legal, but right). I don't think anyone can sit with a straight face and say that the companies in control of any copyright on the material the guy was attempting to distribute act more righteously than he did, and those companies wrote the law that he was being prosecuted under. See a problem? If you do not, then you are blind.[/citation]
The company who he violated the terms of service that want to press charges at all
[citation][nom]DRosencraft[/nom]First, we should keep the guy's family in our thoughts and prayers. No parent, no matter what their child did, should not have to experience having to bury their child. I don't even favor the death penalty.At the same time, I am in no way going to defend what Mr. Swartz did, nor the response given to his choice to end his life. 35 years is not an easy sentence, but there are thousands sitting in a jail cell for doing far less, and who get far less attention for it. 35 years is not the result of a single charge, it's the result of multiple charges compounded. He was facing multiple counts, and had not even had his trial yet. He may have not been found guilty on some of them, and then wouldn't have even faced the maximum. He was in plea negotiations, in which I believe the Massachusetts D.A was offering him a deal that would have netted him only 6 months in jail. MIT, the plaintiff in the case, was against the deal, which is their right as the victim of the alleged crime, so even if someone is angry about what happened to Mr. Swartz it should be anger at MIT for blocking the plea deal, not at the commission behind sentencing guidelines. Each count only totaled a few months to a few years. When you're accused of dozens of counts of the same crime, eventually they stack up to a lot of time. He hacked MIT's computers, accessed and downloaded millions of files. He should have known at the time he was doing it what he would be facing if he got caught. He is not the first person to face charges on illegally hacking a computer. He could have easily found out what would happen, and everyone knows that hacking is a crime. You don't get to cry foul after-the-fact. It is a tragedy for Mr. Swartz's family that he took his own life. Even if convicted for the crime (which I have not heard any assertions he did not commit) he would have been out probably before he turned fifty due to good behavior if he kept out of trouble behind bars. He wouldn't have served in a maximum security facility, so he wouldn't have been with the murderers and gang-bangers that most think of when they think of prison. He could have done his time, got out, and gone on with his life after that. His fate is a tragedy. The response to that tragedy by the likes of Anonymous is nothing but cowardly, opportunistic, showboating, in an attempt to get people to pay attention to them by way of exploiting this young man's death. It is disgusting, and I hope they rot in prison for it.[/citation]
Look up horrorstricken your wife gets when you one felony on you much less 13. He had to plead guilty to 13 felonies all of which stem from a terms of service violation that the company he violated than anyone want to pursue charges against. From what I understand he was bled dry before he was even put in court, and because I honestly doubt he'd ever get a fair trial he probably did the smartest thing in his position and killed himself. It's sad that I can even call it the smarter option. I hate my country.
From I understand he had access to those servers and the only thing that he did wrong while he was on those servers was he downloaded onto fast. From my understanding him break in anywhere any didn't hack anything. The most he could of been looking at even it under the worst circumstances was a civil lawsuit. But because of a link between him and WikiLeaks the that the federal government mad at him. Again can I tell you how much I hate my government. People who do horrible things don't get any time served in jail, people who are high up weeks things that are beneficial to everyone to know, never get a punishment. Yet a few week that the United States tortures people 30 months help somebody who embarrasses United States government on a constant basis (WikiLeaks) 35 years, or even worse you disclose exactly what happens in certain areas of their government that they really don't want you to know about or what happens in a battlefield the mistakes that are made you get tortured for years and then you still get put up on a possible death sentence. I'm certain I mention how much I despise my government.
[citation][nom]jgutz2006[/nom]suicide = cowards way out. i'm sure he felt invincible behind his keyboard though[/citation]
35 years in prison, or 6 to 9 months of getting raped constantly and still have him to plead guilty to 13 felonies, all on false charges that were cooked up because you had a possible link to WikiLeaks.
Like I said before I really hate to say it but taking your own life and that circumstances pry the smartest thing you could do. It doesn't matter if you want to court or not you barely get a fair trial, and with the restrictions placed on you with felonies it's not even worth living anymore. If you want any quality of life, you can't have that with a felony. In his situation I probably did the same thing, but I would've done it in a very public manner.
[citation][nom]mikehoncho2[/nom]While I do think the charges against him were absurd considering the material that was distributed, it was his choice and he made it. He wasn't murdered by the justice system, he killed himself. This case would've generated so much controversy that you can be certain he would've had the best lawyer money can buy (for free since this case would be all over the news) as well as the support from the American public. There is no way he would've ever been sentenced to 35 years. He probably would've had no jail time at all. Our legal system is not black and white, that is why we have trials. If he really wanted to change things, he should have gone to trial. The outcome would've been in his favor and it would've been a major victory against unfair copyright laws. But, he cracked and killed himself. By the way I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to put this whole thing into perspective for a lot of people who are blaming "the system".[/citation]
Again it was never about copyright laws, what he stole was a bunch of research papers, the place he got them from was just charging you for access to the papers not for the papers themselves, the place he took them from didn't want any charges pressed against him.
Our Justice Department because they couldn't get clear link between him and WikiLeaks decided to make it example of him and in any way they possibly could. He was never going to get a fair trial she was never to come out of it without any of those charges dropped against him, sure he might not have had every count stick but even of one of them did he was screwed for his whole life. And the government wants to make an example of use able do with whether it's through fair means or not.
To be completely honest if you would want the trial would want to jail for don't think it would've had anywhere near its big of an impact as it is, and if people start to realize this isn't about copyright or anything like that it's about the government going after someone who was a whistleblower we might get some form of change, even now I still doubt it but we might.
[citation][nom]tobalaz[/nom]This is so screwed up.We live in a world where a CEO can bone employees, close the doors of the company, steal millions in pension and benefits from said employees, and get off with 5 years in Club Fed then keep the money while a kid who downloads music or videos gets millions in fines.Scammers and identity thieves walk all the time unless they target a known athlete, CEO or high ranking government official.Guess its ok to steal if you steal from those the government steals from all the time just so long as you're not stealing from the people lining the pockets of the government.But seriously, 35 years for breaking a TOA? That shit should have been thrown out the window the second it happened. If anything there should have been a fine, but REALLY?[/citation]
All those guys are nothing compared to the real ones, the banks are going to crash the world economy, just taken a look at how much risky investments they have. For every dollar they have they that 70 to 1 against it in the best cases.
Like a damn perspective for you, they went to Las Vegas look at a roulette table and said those odds aren't bad and not. Sure they might not lose all their money but they have trillions of dollars tied up in risky investments. One bank I forget which has five times are gross national product tied up in risky investments.
And let's not forget the housing crap where banks packaged stuff together sold off the other people they knew they were selling them crap and one of those investments made the company who bought it lose $415 million. And we all know about this, the reason we don't do anything is because and I'm quoting someone I forget who, but the banks are too big to fail. That means it doesn't matter what horrible crap they do they cannot be prosecuted for it. And we are going to pay big soon because that. I wish we just had to deal with them CEOs stoning billion dollars from investors.
[citation][nom]SubtleEndowment[/nom]Is it unreasonable that this made me cry? Good god, how much longer do we have..[/citation]
All about the only thing that will actually change anything is getting money out of politics. Stop lying corporations given unlimited amount of money, because money buys elections it's not a very fun way to look at but most of the time the person who spends the most money gets elected.
So corporations spend money on the elected officials who will do them favors and then once the favors are given and if you give them enough they will hire you want for multimillion dollar salary.
The corruption in our country's politics is so obvious that it's… It's common knowledge. They might as well be just handing them big fat want to cash over the top of the table, in this country we made bribery legal.
And because of that like I said with the banks above, we are going to screw the world over hard.
[citation][nom]dark_wizzie[/nom]You insesitive Sanction avoiding censorship.It takes major balls to end your life, your primal instincts kick in. Don't act like you know Sanction avoiding censorship about suicide.[/citation]
It depends on the situation.
Let's say your boyfriend/girlfriend dumps you, you believe that your life is over and you kill yourself because of it. That's the compensation people think of when they think of suicide, a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
But let's look at this in a more realistic way.
Your life has sucked for let's say 30 to 40 years of your life so far, now what are the odds that in the next 20 to 40 years your life is going to turn around and oh it just makes everything worth it, the odds are fairly slim. Sure you might be able to change your life but odds are you can't, people of this just say get up and quit whatever you're doing and change your life, but a lot of the times that just is not an option. The odds are probably better against you than for you if you quit whatever you're doing to try and change, it's why don't fault people like that who decide to take their own life.
In the case of terminal illness, you're going to die and it's most likely going to be very painful it's why I'm for Dr. assisted suicide. I can't fault you for wind to take your own life when you going to be in pain for the rest of it, but at the same time I would tell anybody who's considering it to hold out until you can't take it anymore, because I don't believe in an afterlife, what you have here is what you get, and to and that would be to end your existence permanently.
And then there are cases like this where you are honestly between a rock and a hard place where you have no other option. Your 26 and you're going to have 13 felonies on you in the best case scenario and in the worst 35 years in prison mix in at least nine months of constant rape. Any no matter what your life is screwed over, the only thing I would've done differently in that situation would be doing it in a very public manner. Something that gets everyone's attention no matter what they do what they think or what they watch everyone would know your name.
A coward's way out, no
a stupid way to go, sometimes
everyone for staffing suicide is only for cowards just so none of us do it even though every one of us probably has a legitimate reason to consider it, yes. My say consider I don't mean follow through but a legitimate reason to actually think about it yeah everyone does at some point.
The only thing that he was guilty of was violating the terms of service, and even beyond that the company who he violated the terms of services with didn't want to press charges.
The reason that they went after them so hard was because he had a connection with WikiLeaks.
I find it sick that my country decides to kill this kid, and then the person who outed the torturer that the United States government was perpetrating it gets 30 months in prison, yet the people who are really hurting this country and doing the bad crap doesn't get anything, the fact to get promoted it's encouraged to be bad.
[citation][nom]dark_wizzie[/nom]WTF is wrong with you? The magnitude of punishment did not balance according to what he did! A kid dies because people are computer-phobic. He would have gotten a lighter sentence if he killed somebody.I stole a piece of candy when I was 6. Do I deserve 35 years in prision? Stop stealing shit and you'll be fine, you say...[/citation]
Fun fact there are very few crimes you could actually commit that will get you a harsher prison sentence than what he got, or leases being charged with.
And here's another thing they were him a lesser sentence if he pled guilty the 13 felonies.
United States government seriously needs reform from the bottom up its corrupt and needs to end.
[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]You know the risks. I don't understand why someone, who is aware of the jailtime associated with such actions - still do it anyways then complains after they were caught that its "Ridiculous". They crank the jailtime to scare you away from doing it. This idiot decided to do it anyways, regardless of the risk and was caught.We ALL assume we'll be that % that won't be caught, well, he was. Thats that.[/citation]
Again he violated terms of services with the company, the only reason he was gone after is because of a possible WikiLeaks connection. They can improve the connection are hoping to get him to roll over and he didn't.
Alice's believe the prosecutor who pushed him to the point he told himself should be completely removed from position it if not beaten to death for severely of overreaching their authority.
[citation][nom]r u srs[/nom]I do not think anyone can say with a straight face that what this guy was doing was wrong (not illegal, just wrong). I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that what the prosecution was doing was right (not legal, but right). I don't think anyone can sit with a straight face and say that the companies in control of any copyright on the material the guy was attempting to distribute act more righteously than he did, and those companies wrote the law that he was being prosecuted under. See a problem? If you do not, then you are blind.[/citation]
The company who he violated the terms of service that want to press charges at all
[citation][nom]DRosencraft[/nom]First, we should keep the guy's family in our thoughts and prayers. No parent, no matter what their child did, should not have to experience having to bury their child. I don't even favor the death penalty.At the same time, I am in no way going to defend what Mr. Swartz did, nor the response given to his choice to end his life. 35 years is not an easy sentence, but there are thousands sitting in a jail cell for doing far less, and who get far less attention for it. 35 years is not the result of a single charge, it's the result of multiple charges compounded. He was facing multiple counts, and had not even had his trial yet. He may have not been found guilty on some of them, and then wouldn't have even faced the maximum. He was in plea negotiations, in which I believe the Massachusetts D.A was offering him a deal that would have netted him only 6 months in jail. MIT, the plaintiff in the case, was against the deal, which is their right as the victim of the alleged crime, so even if someone is angry about what happened to Mr. Swartz it should be anger at MIT for blocking the plea deal, not at the commission behind sentencing guidelines. Each count only totaled a few months to a few years. When you're accused of dozens of counts of the same crime, eventually they stack up to a lot of time. He hacked MIT's computers, accessed and downloaded millions of files. He should have known at the time he was doing it what he would be facing if he got caught. He is not the first person to face charges on illegally hacking a computer. He could have easily found out what would happen, and everyone knows that hacking is a crime. You don't get to cry foul after-the-fact. It is a tragedy for Mr. Swartz's family that he took his own life. Even if convicted for the crime (which I have not heard any assertions he did not commit) he would have been out probably before he turned fifty due to good behavior if he kept out of trouble behind bars. He wouldn't have served in a maximum security facility, so he wouldn't have been with the murderers and gang-bangers that most think of when they think of prison. He could have done his time, got out, and gone on with his life after that. His fate is a tragedy. The response to that tragedy by the likes of Anonymous is nothing but cowardly, opportunistic, showboating, in an attempt to get people to pay attention to them by way of exploiting this young man's death. It is disgusting, and I hope they rot in prison for it.[/citation]
Look up horrorstricken your wife gets when you one felony on you much less 13. He had to plead guilty to 13 felonies all of which stem from a terms of service violation that the company he violated than anyone want to pursue charges against. From what I understand he was bled dry before he was even put in court, and because I honestly doubt he'd ever get a fair trial he probably did the smartest thing in his position and killed himself. It's sad that I can even call it the smarter option. I hate my country.
From I understand he had access to those servers and the only thing that he did wrong while he was on those servers was he downloaded onto fast. From my understanding him break in anywhere any didn't hack anything. The most he could of been looking at even it under the worst circumstances was a civil lawsuit. But because of a link between him and WikiLeaks the that the federal government mad at him. Again can I tell you how much I hate my government. People who do horrible things don't get any time served in jail, people who are high up weeks things that are beneficial to everyone to know, never get a punishment. Yet a few week that the United States tortures people 30 months help somebody who embarrasses United States government on a constant basis (WikiLeaks) 35 years, or even worse you disclose exactly what happens in certain areas of their government that they really don't want you to know about or what happens in a battlefield the mistakes that are made you get tortured for years and then you still get put up on a possible death sentence. I'm certain I mention how much I despise my government.
[citation][nom]jgutz2006[/nom]suicide = cowards way out. i'm sure he felt invincible behind his keyboard though[/citation]
35 years in prison, or 6 to 9 months of getting raped constantly and still have him to plead guilty to 13 felonies, all on false charges that were cooked up because you had a possible link to WikiLeaks.
Like I said before I really hate to say it but taking your own life and that circumstances pry the smartest thing you could do. It doesn't matter if you want to court or not you barely get a fair trial, and with the restrictions placed on you with felonies it's not even worth living anymore. If you want any quality of life, you can't have that with a felony. In his situation I probably did the same thing, but I would've done it in a very public manner.
[citation][nom]mikehoncho2[/nom]While I do think the charges against him were absurd considering the material that was distributed, it was his choice and he made it. He wasn't murdered by the justice system, he killed himself. This case would've generated so much controversy that you can be certain he would've had the best lawyer money can buy (for free since this case would be all over the news) as well as the support from the American public. There is no way he would've ever been sentenced to 35 years. He probably would've had no jail time at all. Our legal system is not black and white, that is why we have trials. If he really wanted to change things, he should have gone to trial. The outcome would've been in his favor and it would've been a major victory against unfair copyright laws. But, he cracked and killed himself. By the way I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to put this whole thing into perspective for a lot of people who are blaming "the system".[/citation]
Again it was never about copyright laws, what he stole was a bunch of research papers, the place he got them from was just charging you for access to the papers not for the papers themselves, the place he took them from didn't want any charges pressed against him.
Our Justice Department because they couldn't get clear link between him and WikiLeaks decided to make it example of him and in any way they possibly could. He was never going to get a fair trial she was never to come out of it without any of those charges dropped against him, sure he might not have had every count stick but even of one of them did he was screwed for his whole life. And the government wants to make an example of use able do with whether it's through fair means or not.
To be completely honest if you would want the trial would want to jail for don't think it would've had anywhere near its big of an impact as it is, and if people start to realize this isn't about copyright or anything like that it's about the government going after someone who was a whistleblower we might get some form of change, even now I still doubt it but we might.
[citation][nom]tobalaz[/nom]This is so screwed up.We live in a world where a CEO can bone employees, close the doors of the company, steal millions in pension and benefits from said employees, and get off with 5 years in Club Fed then keep the money while a kid who downloads music or videos gets millions in fines.Scammers and identity thieves walk all the time unless they target a known athlete, CEO or high ranking government official.Guess its ok to steal if you steal from those the government steals from all the time just so long as you're not stealing from the people lining the pockets of the government.But seriously, 35 years for breaking a TOA? That shit should have been thrown out the window the second it happened. If anything there should have been a fine, but REALLY?[/citation]
All those guys are nothing compared to the real ones, the banks are going to crash the world economy, just taken a look at how much risky investments they have. For every dollar they have they that 70 to 1 against it in the best cases.
Like a damn perspective for you, they went to Las Vegas look at a roulette table and said those odds aren't bad and not. Sure they might not lose all their money but they have trillions of dollars tied up in risky investments. One bank I forget which has five times are gross national product tied up in risky investments.
And let's not forget the housing crap where banks packaged stuff together sold off the other people they knew they were selling them crap and one of those investments made the company who bought it lose $415 million. And we all know about this, the reason we don't do anything is because and I'm quoting someone I forget who, but the banks are too big to fail. That means it doesn't matter what horrible crap they do they cannot be prosecuted for it. And we are going to pay big soon because that. I wish we just had to deal with them CEOs stoning billion dollars from investors.
[citation][nom]SubtleEndowment[/nom]Is it unreasonable that this made me cry? Good god, how much longer do we have..[/citation]
All about the only thing that will actually change anything is getting money out of politics. Stop lying corporations given unlimited amount of money, because money buys elections it's not a very fun way to look at but most of the time the person who spends the most money gets elected.
So corporations spend money on the elected officials who will do them favors and then once the favors are given and if you give them enough they will hire you want for multimillion dollar salary.
The corruption in our country's politics is so obvious that it's… It's common knowledge. They might as well be just handing them big fat want to cash over the top of the table, in this country we made bribery legal.
And because of that like I said with the banks above, we are going to screw the world over hard.
[citation][nom]dark_wizzie[/nom]You insesitive Sanction avoiding censorship.It takes major balls to end your life, your primal instincts kick in. Don't act like you know Sanction avoiding censorship about suicide.[/citation]
It depends on the situation.
Let's say your boyfriend/girlfriend dumps you, you believe that your life is over and you kill yourself because of it. That's the compensation people think of when they think of suicide, a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
But let's look at this in a more realistic way.
Your life has sucked for let's say 30 to 40 years of your life so far, now what are the odds that in the next 20 to 40 years your life is going to turn around and oh it just makes everything worth it, the odds are fairly slim. Sure you might be able to change your life but odds are you can't, people of this just say get up and quit whatever you're doing and change your life, but a lot of the times that just is not an option. The odds are probably better against you than for you if you quit whatever you're doing to try and change, it's why don't fault people like that who decide to take their own life.
In the case of terminal illness, you're going to die and it's most likely going to be very painful it's why I'm for Dr. assisted suicide. I can't fault you for wind to take your own life when you going to be in pain for the rest of it, but at the same time I would tell anybody who's considering it to hold out until you can't take it anymore, because I don't believe in an afterlife, what you have here is what you get, and to and that would be to end your existence permanently.
And then there are cases like this where you are honestly between a rock and a hard place where you have no other option. Your 26 and you're going to have 13 felonies on you in the best case scenario and in the worst 35 years in prison mix in at least nine months of constant rape. Any no matter what your life is screwed over, the only thing I would've done differently in that situation would be doing it in a very public manner. Something that gets everyone's attention no matter what they do what they think or what they watch everyone would know your name.
A coward's way out, no
a stupid way to go, sometimes
everyone for staffing suicide is only for cowards just so none of us do it even though every one of us probably has a legitimate reason to consider it, yes. My say consider I don't mean follow through but a legitimate reason to actually think about it yeah everyone does at some point.
How to tell Tom's has a bunch of Morons
A) They think what Anon did is right
B) They think the government killed him
C) They think that what he did what was right
D) They have they're heads so far up there A$$es that they see daylight
Guess what people, what Aaron Schwartz did was wrong period. Those who think otherwise have never created anything worth a damn! When you create something you have a sense of ownership, someone freely walking off with it is wrong.
MIT PAYS to have access to these repositories and they are FREE ON CAMPUS so that a limited set of people can use a REASONABLE set of documents gain knowledge and us it to give back to the community. Schwartz CIRCUMVENTED the process and STOLE materials THAT SOMEONE had to pay for. This is illegal no matter how you slice it, and you can't compare it to civil rights or anything similar, THEY ARE COMPLETELY different.
AND READ ON THE EFFIN SUBJECT BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ASININE COMMENT.
Schwartz was facing UP TO 35 years. But they cut a deal before his death. Schwartz almost had a deal that would result in NO JAIL TIME but MIT wouldn't sign off on it. Finally TWO DAYS before he committed suicide they finalized a deal that resulted in only SIX MONTHS of jail time. They told him THAT THEY NEVER INTENDED TO SEEK THE FULL SENTENCE.
ASSuming he committed suicide because of the possible jail time is stupid and just plain ignorant. Odds are he committed suicide for another reason, offhand I would say the pressure of everything else got to him but we'll never know.
In Conclusion, UNLESS YOU READ THE WHOLE STORY DON'T MAKE STUPID COMMENTS!!!!!!!
A) They think what Anon did is right
B) They think the government killed him
C) They think that what he did what was right
D) They have they're heads so far up there A$$es that they see daylight
Guess what people, what Aaron Schwartz did was wrong period. Those who think otherwise have never created anything worth a damn! When you create something you have a sense of ownership, someone freely walking off with it is wrong.
MIT PAYS to have access to these repositories and they are FREE ON CAMPUS so that a limited set of people can use a REASONABLE set of documents gain knowledge and us it to give back to the community. Schwartz CIRCUMVENTED the process and STOLE materials THAT SOMEONE had to pay for. This is illegal no matter how you slice it, and you can't compare it to civil rights or anything similar, THEY ARE COMPLETELY different.
AND READ ON THE EFFIN SUBJECT BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ASININE COMMENT.
Schwartz was facing UP TO 35 years. But they cut a deal before his death. Schwartz almost had a deal that would result in NO JAIL TIME but MIT wouldn't sign off on it. Finally TWO DAYS before he committed suicide they finalized a deal that resulted in only SIX MONTHS of jail time. They told him THAT THEY NEVER INTENDED TO SEEK THE FULL SENTENCE.
ASSuming he committed suicide because of the possible jail time is stupid and just plain ignorant. Odds are he committed suicide for another reason, offhand I would say the pressure of everything else got to him but we'll never know.
In Conclusion, UNLESS YOU READ THE WHOLE STORY DON'T MAKE STUPID COMMENTS!!!!!!!
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[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]How to tell Tom's has a bunch of MoronsA) They think what Anon did is rightB) They think the government killed himC) They think that what he did what was rightD) They have they're heads so far up there A$$es/citation]
"There A$$es" eh? If you want to call people morons, try doing it without making yourself look dumb in the process.
"There A$$es" eh? If you want to call people morons, try doing it without making yourself look dumb in the process.
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[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]How to tell Tom's has a bunch of MoronsA) They think what Anon did is rightB) They think the government killed himC) They think that what he did what was rightD) They have they're heads so far up there A$$es[/citation]
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"There A$$es" eh? If you want to call people morons, try doing it without making yourself look dumb in the process.
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"There A$$es" eh? If you want to call people morons, try doing it without making yourself look dumb in the process.
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[citation][nom]dark_wizzie[/nom]WTF is wrong with you? The magnitude of punishment did not balance according to what he did! A kid dies because people are computer-phobic. He would have gotten a lighter sentence if he killed somebody.I stole a piece of candy when I was 6. Do I deserve 35 years in prision? Stop stealing shit and you'll be fine, you say...[/citation]
From what I understand he faced less than a year potentially if he entered a guilty plea.
From what I understand he faced less than a year potentially if he entered a guilty plea.
[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]How to tell Tom's has a bunch of MoronsA) They think what Anon did is rightB) They think the government killed himC) They think that what he did what was rightD) They have they're heads so far up there A$$es that they see daylightGuess what people, what Aaron Schwartz did was wrong period. Those who think otherwise have never created anything worth a damn! When you create something you have a sense of ownership, someone freely walking off with it is wrong. MIT PAYS to have access to these repositories and they are FREE ON CAMPUS so that a limited set of people can use a REASONABLE set of documents gain knowledge and us it to give back to the community. Schwartz CIRCUMVENTED the process and STOLE materials THAT SOMEONE had to pay for. This is illegal no matter how you slice it, and you can't compare it to civil rights or anything similar, THEY ARE COMPLETELY different.AND READ ON THE EFFIN SUBJECT BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ASININE COMMENT.Schwartz was facing UP TO 35 years. But they cut a deal before his death. Schwartz almost had a deal that would result in NO JAIL TIME but MIT wouldn't sign off on it. Finally TWO DAYS before he committed suicide they finalized a deal that resulted in only SIX MONTHS of jail time. They told him THAT THEY NEVER INTENDED TO SEEK THE FULL SENTENCE.ASSuming he committed suicide because of the possible jail time is stupid and just plain ignorant. Odds are he committed suicide for another reason, offhand I would say the pressure of everything else got to him but we'll never know.In Conclusion, UNLESS YOU READ THE WHOLE STORY DON'T MAKE STUPID COMMENTS!!!!!!![/citation]
The people used took the material from in the first place that want to press charges
you only violated terms of service
yet they struck a deal that he had to plead guilty to 13 felonies for
can you take a look at how restricting your life becomes once you have one felony much less 13
no one is disputing what he did was wrong, but look at how he was hounded by the government. And most likely the reason why the government did this was because he had a link to WikiLeaks they can't prove so they wanted to make an example of him in any way they possibly could.
From what I remember they bled him try before they even considered a deal with him so he had no real way to fight it even if you want to court for an the plea deal with 13 felonies and still prison time where he would get raped on a daily basis.
Let's not even go it at this on a right or wrong level right now. The company he took from do not want to press charges. That's where the story should have ended. Even then all he should have been charged with were civil crimes because it's a terms of service. But no my government decide to abuse laws put in place and to show you how vague details in them can be how anyone can be charged with anything, again administrate every post I make here but I really hate my government.
The people used took the material from in the first place that want to press charges
you only violated terms of service
yet they struck a deal that he had to plead guilty to 13 felonies for
can you take a look at how restricting your life becomes once you have one felony much less 13
no one is disputing what he did was wrong, but look at how he was hounded by the government. And most likely the reason why the government did this was because he had a link to WikiLeaks they can't prove so they wanted to make an example of him in any way they possibly could.
From what I remember they bled him try before they even considered a deal with him so he had no real way to fight it even if you want to court for an the plea deal with 13 felonies and still prison time where he would get raped on a daily basis.
Let's not even go it at this on a right or wrong level right now. The company he took from do not want to press charges. That's where the story should have ended. Even then all he should have been charged with were civil crimes because it's a terms of service. But no my government decide to abuse laws put in place and to show you how vague details in them can be how anyone can be charged with anything, again administrate every post I make here but I really hate my government.
[citation][nom]Afrospinach[/nom]From what I understand he faced less than a year potentially if he entered a guilty plea.[/citation]
He had to plead guilty to 13 felonies, that is a big deal do not take sat out when you mention he could've had a "lighter"sentence
He had to plead guilty to 13 felonies, that is a big deal do not take sat out when you mention he could've had a "lighter"sentence
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I generally hate Anonymous and the crap that happens when some jerk goes on a hacking spree and releases peoples' private information onto the internet (I know that this guy didn't release any private information, I just hate people that do).
However this case definitely is one where the punishment does not fit the crime, at all! It is insane to think that breaking the TOA on something of this nature could result in similar (or worse) punishment than a crazy person that tries robbing you at gunpoint would face. This is just crazy!
However this case definitely is one where the punishment does not fit the crime, at all! It is insane to think that breaking the TOA on something of this nature could result in similar (or worse) punishment than a crazy person that tries robbing you at gunpoint would face. This is just crazy!
[citation][nom]lindethier[/nom]I generally hate Anonymous and the crap that happens when some jerk goes on a hacking spree and releases peoples' private information onto the internet (I know that this guy didn't release any private information, I just hate people that do). However this case definitely is one where the punishment does not fit the crime, at all! It is insane to think that breaking the TOA on something of this nature could result in similar (or worse) punishment than a crazy person that tries robbing you at gunpoint would face. This is just crazy![/citation]
Keep in mind the business who he violated terms of service for did not want to press charges at all
Keep in mind the business who he violated terms of service for did not want to press charges at all
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