Avril Lavigne on Ashlee Simpson

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"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:46:47 GMT, "Tommy B" <mrtomm@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>They are both packaged "artists" <snip>
>
> That says it all right there, especially the quotes around the noun,
> "artist." Put both of these in a "live in the studio" situation
> cutting directly to master, and they're both talentless goofs.

Put both of them in that situation & my money'd be on Avril.

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> She's only about 18, what do you expect.

Behavior that I often see from 16-year-olds that aren't celebrities?

 

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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:04:50 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
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>"play-on" <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>> She's only about 18, what do you expect.
>
>Behavior that I often see from 16-year-olds that aren't celebrities?
>

I don't know how many teens you know but Avril doesn't seem that out
of line to me. She also displays a lot more talent than Ashlee
Simpson IMO.

Al

 

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On 2004-12-08, play-on <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote:

> I don't know how many teens you know but Avril doesn't seem that out
> of line to me. She also displays a lot more talent than Ashlee
> Simpson IMO.

I don't see how people think this is any kind of new phenomenon.

I'm sure in 1920, Montparnasse had Chanteuses who weren't as attractive
as Kiki, didn't have Man Ray promoting them, didn't take their clothes
off, etc.

And no doubt, a lot of really talented people couldn't understand why
some whore can make it and they can't...

Nothing new under the sun.

The radio, and the phono, gave a brief period where only the sound
mattered.

 

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"I'm sure you were a real diplomat as a teenager too, I know I was.
;-)"

well no one's perfect as a teen.. Lol, on the Auto-tune. It makes it
harder to tell which recordings are with auto-tune and arne't. I can
hear it on some songs when it is too-quick to pitch adjust some
singers. The worst singers tend to sound almost electronic sounding
because the more it corrects pitch the more fake it sounds... (hard to
explain)... but yeah, tech changes things

 

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"Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. Fancy that. She
sounds just like a teenaged girl."

Your idea of a teenage girl perhaps. No, she's worse. Typical teenage
maturity (or lack of) is not Avril's problem. She's been fairly rude
on several other occasions, and more so than what you'd expect from a
teen. And some never out grow this... Also I don't know who you are
directing your, 'idiot' statment at, but there would be a good example
right there.. I personally don't buy the cocept that she is "just like
a teenaged girl".. I'd say, she is about twice as rude as a rude teen
age girl.. I've seen too many teen age stars that have surprassed her
personality wise already. She has major talent in several areas, can
write (unless those writers helped her), sounds good etc.. but after
some other things she's done, I still think what I thought is true.

 

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"Social skills?

What the hell is that about?"

Only a major part of what gets these stars into being stars in the
first place. I mean, besides the obvious talents as singers, writers,
artists and so on, their ability to apeal to an audience. So that is
important. Some make great music, but then say the wrong things in
public.. that's all I meant. Only, come to think about it, her being
rude could appeal to some of her audience in a way. hmmm. Like Eminem
making fun of other artists works for him. It's funny when you think
of it, ;-) But it doesn't work for artists I like.. I just tend to
like them less if they are rude. Just me I suppose.. I do like her
"Complicated" song..

 

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On 9 Dec 2004 02:44:32 -0800, johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:

>"Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. Fancy that. She
>sounds just like a teenaged girl."
>
>Also I don't know who you are
>directing your, 'idiot' statment at <snip>

He lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC.

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:56:27 GMT, james of tucson
<fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote:
> On 2004-12-08, play-on <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't know how many teens you know but Avril doesn't seem that out
>> of line to me. She also displays a lot more talent than Ashlee
>> Simpson IMO.
>
> I don't see how people think this is any kind of new phenomenon.
>
> I'm sure in 1920, Montparnasse had Chanteuses who weren't as attractive
> as Kiki, didn't have Man Ray promoting them, didn't take their clothes
> off, etc.
>
> And no doubt, a lot of really talented people couldn't understand why
> some whore can make it and they can't...
>

DAGS on Anna Held.

The NY Daily News just ran a piece about a wealthy socialite who was a
simply DREADFUL singer who routinely sang benefit concerts at the big
venues--though I cannot remember whether she was selling out Carnigie
Hall or one of its predecessors.

 

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U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles <cdkrug@aol.com> wrote:
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>The NY Daily News just ran a piece about a wealthy socialite who was a
>simply DREADFUL singer who routinely sang benefit concerts at the big
>venues--though I cannot remember whether she was selling out Carnigie
>Hall or one of its predecessors.
>

Was it Flora Foster Jenkins?

Some of her RCA recordings are available on a compilation CD that has to
be heard to be believed. She is worse than _any_ of my customers.
--scott
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On 9 Dec 2004 09:53:54 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles <cdkrug@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>The NY Daily News just ran a piece about a wealthy socialite who was a
>>simply DREADFUL singer who routinely sang benefit concerts at the big
>>venues--though I cannot remember whether she was selling out Carnigie
>>Hall or one of its predecessors.
>>
>
>Was it Flora Foster Jenkins? <snip>

It was.
>
>Some of her RCA recordings are available on a compilation CD that has to
>be heard to be believed. She is worse than _any_ of my customers. <snip>

....even worse than Linda McCartney! Well...I woulnd't go THAT far....

Ü

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YES!! It was the Times, last Sunday's Art's and Leisure, Page 6. There is a
play called "Souvenir"
starring Judy Kaye, about her. One of her recordings is called "Murder on
the High C's".
I think I'll pass on it!

Tom

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> U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles <cdkrug@aol.com> wrote:
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> >The NY Daily News just ran a piece about a wealthy socialite who was a
> >simply DREADFUL singer who routinely sang benefit concerts at the big
> >venues--though I cannot remember whether she was selling out Carnigie
> >Hall or one of its predecessors.
> >
>
> Was it Flora Foster Jenkins?
>
> Some of her RCA recordings are available on a compilation CD that has to
> be heard to be believed. She is worse than _any_ of my customers.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

 

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On 9 Dec 2004 02:50:49 -0800, johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:

>"Social skills?
>
>What the hell is that about?"
>
>Only a major part of what gets these stars into being stars in the
>first place. I mean, besides the obvious talents as singers, writers,
>artists and so on, their ability to apeal to an audience. So that is
>important. Some make great music, but then say the wrong things in
>public.. that's all I meant. Only, come to think about it, her being
>rude could appeal to some of her audience in a way. hmmm. Like Eminem
>making fun of other artists works for him. It's funny when you think
>of it, ;-) But it doesn't work for artists I like.. I just tend to
>like them less if they are rude. Just me I suppose.. I do like her
>"Complicated" song..

Saying outrageous things is a traditional part of rock n roll.
Offending oldsters is part of the whole genre. If you think Avril is
rude, it indicates that you are probably over 40.

Al

 

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On 9 Dec 2004 09:53:54 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>>The NY Daily News just ran a piece about a wealthy socialite who was a
>>simply DREADFUL singer who routinely sang benefit concerts at the big
>>venues--though I cannot remember whether she was selling out Carnigie
>>Hall or one of its predecessors.
>>
>
>Was it Flora Foster Jenkins?
>
>Some of her RCA recordings are available on a compilation CD that has to
>be heard to be believed. She is worse than _any_ of my customers.

Florence, wasn't it?

BTW, who are Avril Lavigne and Ashlee Simpson?

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<johns33040@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "I'm sure you were a real diplomat as a teenager too, I know I was.
> ;-)"
>
> well no one's perfect as a teen.. Lol, on the Auto-tune. It makes it
> harder to tell which recordings are with auto-tune and arne't. I can
> hear it on some songs when it is too-quick to pitch adjust some
> singers. The worst singers tend to sound almost electronic sounding
> because the more it corrects pitch the more fake it sounds... (hard to
> explain)... but yeah, tech changes things

Actually, I can crank Autotune to make me sound like a teenaged girl !

geoff

 

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Jazz Meister <jazzman@jazz.net> wrote:
>>johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just think Avril's social skills leaves something lacking for a pop
>>> star.
>>
>>Social skills?
>>
>>What the hell is that about?
>
> That's right. That's what managers and handlers are for, so that stars
> shouldn't need any social skills.


Avril, Bryan Adam, Neil Young. Hang on, I think there is a trend there
somewhere ...

geoff

 

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:07:21 -0800, play-on <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote:
> On 9 Dec 2004 02:50:49 -0800, johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>"Social skills?
>>
>
> Saying outrageous things is a traditional part of rock n roll.
> Offending oldsters is part of the whole genre. If you think Avril is
> rude, it indicates that you are probably over 40.
>
> Al

I saw her piece in . . (stuff/Maxim/Whichever). At first I thought she
said some rude things. Then I got distracted by some other aspect of
the article. Yes, that's what it was, the article.

 

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"play-on" <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> Actually she co-writes much of her stuff with a team of professional
> songwriters who also collaborate with other famous singers that I'm
> sure you've heard of.

Like many pop artists these days, they know their name on a songwriting
credit brings in as much cash as singing the song.
Everyone does it, and very few add more than a couple of words. The
songwriters go along with it because they know half of a lot, is better than
all of nothing.

TonyP.

 

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:29:17 +1100, "TonyP" <TonyP@optus.net.com.au>
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>Like many pop artists these days, they know their name on a songwriting
>credit brings in as much cash as singing the song.
>Everyone does it, and very few add more than a couple of words. The
>songwriters go along with it because they know half of a lot, is better than
>all of nothing.

Nothing new about that. The old-time bandleaders often demanded
writing credit in return for performances and particularly broadcasts.

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:41:17 +0000, Laurence Payne
<l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Nothing new about that. The old-time bandleaders often demanded
>writing credit in return for performances and particularly broadcasts. <snip>

Tommy Dorsey was wicked about that, and so was Miller.

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