This thing is, again, about who reigns the content distribution channels. Sad to see such fragmentation, I would rather see the world moving to a more open direction. I, personally, do not want my TV contents to be monitored by Apple Corp; neither by anyone else. I would not buy an AmazonTV either, once that comes around.
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[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]What is recycled? He's not doing ROI either - he's doing a price comparison. For a ROI you need some sort of return. I'm not sure I'm following your argument... plus if it takes you more than 2 hours to plug in a TV, plug in a Raspberry Pi unit and install XBMC something is very wrong. If it takes you 24 hours I think it's time to be taken out back...[/citation]
[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]What is recycled? He's not doing ROI either - he's doing a price comparison. For a ROI you need some sort of return. I'm not sure I'm following your argument... plus if it takes you more than 2 hours to plug in a TV, plug in a Raspberry Pi unit and install XBMC something is very wrong. If it takes you 24 hours I think it's time to be taken out back...[/citation]
The point is you are making a value comparison where the return is being able to use a product that does several things. You compare a machine using hardware that he already has and just purchases what is needed in addition. (please correct me if I am misunderstanding what he typed but he did say"same LCD, same electronics")
He lists the costs of the individual components that he has to plug in, he also lists linux as being apart of his solution, and then you have to install XBMC. Ok, with all of that for an savvy user that has never setup XMBC you are looking at about 2 hours possibly 1 hour. Have to install Linux and everything. How is that not a fair estimate? I say 2-24 hours because it is 2 to 24 hours. Could be 10 hours for some users could be 15 or 24. Keep in mind also that those same people would probably refer to some instructions to set everything up as well. Not everybody can install Linux so it will take some time for those people to get everything up and running.
2 to 24 hours I think is a realistic time to install for the vast majority of people out there.
There is a pretty significant difference between plugging in a TV with built in media features and having it automatically show up in ITunes or your network browser as a media device like my Samsung TV's do now vs building a MC box by installing Linux and MCE and plugging in everything.
Just thinking about it realistically. I am a fan of the XBMC stuff, not arguing that it is a great solution. It just has a different audience.
[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]What is recycled? He's not doing ROI either - he's doing a price comparison. For a ROI you need some sort of return. I'm not sure I'm following your argument... plus if it takes you more than 2 hours to plug in a TV, plug in a Raspberry Pi unit and install XBMC something is very wrong. If it takes you 24 hours I think it's time to be taken out back...[/citation]
The point is you are making a value comparison where the return is being able to use a product that does several things. You compare a machine using hardware that he already has and just purchases what is needed in addition. (please correct me if I am misunderstanding what he typed but he did say"same LCD, same electronics")
He lists the costs of the individual components that he has to plug in, he also lists linux as being apart of his solution, and then you have to install XBMC. Ok, with all of that for an savvy user that has never setup XMBC you are looking at about 2 hours possibly 1 hour. Have to install Linux and everything. How is that not a fair estimate? I say 2-24 hours because it is 2 to 24 hours. Could be 10 hours for some users could be 15 or 24. Keep in mind also that those same people would probably refer to some instructions to set everything up as well. Not everybody can install Linux so it will take some time for those people to get everything up and running.
2 to 24 hours I think is a realistic time to install for the vast majority of people out there.
There is a pretty significant difference between plugging in a TV with built in media features and having it automatically show up in ITunes or your network browser as a media device like my Samsung TV's do now vs building a MC box by installing Linux and MCE and plugging in everything.
Just thinking about it realistically. I am a fan of the XBMC stuff, not arguing that it is a great solution. It just has a different audience.
Also, they are talking about a full 42" Television with integrated media features. For $ 99 dollars you can just get an Apple TV and plug it into your existing television if that is all you need so comparing a full TV with integrated media features to a XBMC solution built on Linux is not that great of a comparison in the first place. XBMC can also be installed on the current Apple TV as well so that makes for a good small form factor platform to put it on rather than doing it in Linux.
[citation][nom]amdwilliam1985[/nom]I always like to read Apple news on AnandTech rather than Tomshardware for the reason that AnandTech users make more open-minded comments on Apple.They can accept the fact that, maybe, maybe Apple got something going on, maybe they're on to something "better"(interesting), maybe they'll "revolutionize" TV industry too. There's got to be a reason why Apple products are very "popular" and that their stocks are at all time high. There's got to be a reason why they are able to sell millions of millions phone and tablets.Come on, I thought IT people are more open-minded than the general audience. You got to be more subjective, can't let emotions get in your way.(You can't hate Apple products because it is made by Apple with an Apple logo on it)I got about 5 PC/laptops at home for different purpose and yet my latest purchase was a 13" MacBook Air. Because I see something in MBA. Yes, it is expensive, the most expensive computer I ever bought. But is it worth it? Yes, because it lets me experience something different(OSX, I still prefer windows 7 for my everyday experience). I love the touchpad on it(best internet browsing experience I ever have on a computer), no windows laptop comes close. The screen quality of MBA just made me smile every time I looked at it.(I got a Dell UltraSharp 22" for my desktop)Anyway, this writing is becoming much longer than I expected. My point is that, you can't dismiss a product before you even know it's spec. Be open mind, be logically.I know I'm interest to see this new TV, if it has a great quality screen(I watch a lot of movies, so I will pay extra for top quality screens from Samsung/LG.) If it has hand gestures to change channels/volumes, or be voice commanded. Then I think I will spend the money and impress my friends with this future tech[/citation]
Indeed, the more sophisticated and open minded people post on Anandtech, I much prefer it.
Your logical sentiment wont hold much water on this site, there is a large irrational Apple hatred in many of the posters here - they can't open their minds to just consider tech on its own merits. I also bought a MBA due to it offering the best value for money in any ultraportables I could find - I run Windows 7 on it. If you ever post any positive opinions on Apple you're a 'fanboy' and evoke insane amounts of anger, and you even get idiots 'looking forward' to Apple being sued - it's embarrassing.
Take this article for example, nobody knows any specs, nobody knows the price (just a rumour) and nobody knows the features, yet you get silly posters saying it's ridiculously overpriced and comparing it to a Raspberry Pi. A fun and capable device, clearly - but not at all comparable, and obviously takes a lot of your time to set up.
As it happens, this device (Apple TV in general) doesn't interest me much - I prefer not to have technology embedded in my TV because it becomes obsolete much quicker than the television does. I don't believe Apple will have any kind of mainstream success with this product. While people accuse Apple of being a 'cult' - actually their products mainly appeal to tech-savvy people who know what they want, and I feel this isn't it.
I am looking to upgrade my TV at some point and will probably go with an ultra-thin model like this: http://mashable.com/2012/01/11/samsung-oled-tv/
Indeed, the more sophisticated and open minded people post on Anandtech, I much prefer it.
Your logical sentiment wont hold much water on this site, there is a large irrational Apple hatred in many of the posters here - they can't open their minds to just consider tech on its own merits. I also bought a MBA due to it offering the best value for money in any ultraportables I could find - I run Windows 7 on it. If you ever post any positive opinions on Apple you're a 'fanboy' and evoke insane amounts of anger, and you even get idiots 'looking forward' to Apple being sued - it's embarrassing.
Take this article for example, nobody knows any specs, nobody knows the price (just a rumour) and nobody knows the features, yet you get silly posters saying it's ridiculously overpriced and comparing it to a Raspberry Pi. A fun and capable device, clearly - but not at all comparable, and obviously takes a lot of your time to set up.
As it happens, this device (Apple TV in general) doesn't interest me much - I prefer not to have technology embedded in my TV because it becomes obsolete much quicker than the television does. I don't believe Apple will have any kind of mainstream success with this product. While people accuse Apple of being a 'cult' - actually their products mainly appeal to tech-savvy people who know what they want, and I feel this isn't it.
I am looking to upgrade my TV at some point and will probably go with an ultra-thin model like this: http://mashable.com/2012/01/11/samsung-oled-tv/
[citation][nom]billybobser[/nom]mdwilliam1985 , I can tell you what Apple offer, and it's not technology, it's a service.They offer simplicity at a cost. A cost I believe is extortionate and flat out abuses their fan base.It's also a mental thing, whereby the inflated prices create the belief that the products are higher quality.Apple have their place, but when people and tech reporters come on the interwebs telling me that it's 'better' and 'revolutionary', it's wrong. What they have to be admired for is spotting a market trend, forcing a market trend, marketting and the ability to extract very profitable margins, and this appears to garner more fans than inventing/developing the idea or making a better product.[/citation]
Take this post for example. Trying to dismiss all of Apple's success by putting it down to marketing, claiming their devices are never 'better' or 'revolutionary'. Completely oblivious to the iPad revolution virtually creating the entire current tablet market, the iPhone revolution creating the entire current smartphone market (both existed before but were not even close to mainstream). Or that both the iPhone and the iPad 2 have THE FASTEST GPU/CPU combination you can get in ANY device of their genre, in the iPad 2's case, a year after it came out, and also the best battery life, customer satisfaction ratings and reliability of any devices (with a myriad of other features too, such as wireless HD streaming - another technical feature not found on Android phones). Not mentioning the poor software upgrade support you get with Android phones, compared to years and years of support with iOS.
I find myself having to explain this to people ALL the time on this site (like a broken record), which unfortunately makes me look like a fanboy. Frankly, you'd be amazed how many people masquerading as 'techie' guys have no clue on the actual relative hardware capabilities in Apple devices vs the competition.
The bottom line is that right now the iPhone 4S and the iPad 2 are arguably the most advanced in hardware terms, whether you like them or not (certainly in some key respects, such as the aforementioned CPU/GPU). And the reality is that that translates into software which runs smooth, a more responsive phone, better all round experience. It's why Apple have been so successful in these markets.
Now, if and when say, the SG3 comes out, if it is as good as it is rumoured to be, I'll quite happily tell people that it now has the technological lead as well, I don't care which device actually has the lead - but when people like the post I quoted just deny the obvious, it makes me concerned for the human race.
Take this post for example. Trying to dismiss all of Apple's success by putting it down to marketing, claiming their devices are never 'better' or 'revolutionary'. Completely oblivious to the iPad revolution virtually creating the entire current tablet market, the iPhone revolution creating the entire current smartphone market (both existed before but were not even close to mainstream). Or that both the iPhone and the iPad 2 have THE FASTEST GPU/CPU combination you can get in ANY device of their genre, in the iPad 2's case, a year after it came out, and also the best battery life, customer satisfaction ratings and reliability of any devices (with a myriad of other features too, such as wireless HD streaming - another technical feature not found on Android phones). Not mentioning the poor software upgrade support you get with Android phones, compared to years and years of support with iOS.
I find myself having to explain this to people ALL the time on this site (like a broken record), which unfortunately makes me look like a fanboy. Frankly, you'd be amazed how many people masquerading as 'techie' guys have no clue on the actual relative hardware capabilities in Apple devices vs the competition.
The bottom line is that right now the iPhone 4S and the iPad 2 are arguably the most advanced in hardware terms, whether you like them or not (certainly in some key respects, such as the aforementioned CPU/GPU). And the reality is that that translates into software which runs smooth, a more responsive phone, better all round experience. It's why Apple have been so successful in these markets.
Now, if and when say, the SG3 comes out, if it is as good as it is rumoured to be, I'll quite happily tell people that it now has the technological lead as well, I don't care which device actually has the lead - but when people like the post I quoted just deny the obvious, it makes me concerned for the human race.
[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]XBMC is pretty slick, I have used it back when it was just getting started on the XBox 1. It was slick then and is allot better now. The only problem is that it is not something that is turnkey. Takes some work to get going. It is not all that elegant of a solution as a whole but for people that don't mind putting in the effort it is a very nice solution. Although it has a great interface it is a bit on the clunky side. If they spent some time smoothing the transitions out I think that would take it over the top. Also I wish they would just change the name so that it just does not sound like a XBox mod. It runs on allot more stuff now.PLEX is also a slick solution as well.[/citation]
Agreed, but you will never see Johnny Consumer walk into Frys and ask to buy any HTPC, the user base for HTPCs is overwhelmingly DIYers with a modicum of knowledge and if you can maintain one you should because the benefits are huge.
By the way XBMC "Eden" beta 2 is available and adding Bluray playback is so sweet of them, a 2Tb NAS drive with 80 Bluray rips is irresistable
Agreed, but you will never see Johnny Consumer walk into Frys and ask to buy any HTPC, the user base for HTPCs is overwhelmingly DIYers with a modicum of knowledge and if you can maintain one you should because the benefits are huge.
By the way XBMC "Eden" beta 2 is available and adding Bluray playback is so sweet of them, a 2Tb NAS drive with 80 Bluray rips is irresistable
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Hi everyone, let's start bashing HP, they just release "HP Envy 14 Spectre" starting at $1,399, omg... @ the price.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/08/hp-envy-14-spectre-available-now/
Let's also start with comments about how you can get so much more power with so much less money, let's be fair
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/08/hp-envy-14-spectre-available-now/
Let's also start with comments about how you can get so much more power with so much less money, let's be fair
[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Agreed, but you will never see Johnny Consumer walk into Frys and ask to buy any HTPC, the user base for HTPCs is overwhelmingly DIYers with a modicum of knowledge and if you can maintain one you should because the benefits are huge.By the way XBMC "Eden" beta 2 is available and adding Bluray playback is so sweet of them, a 2Tb NAS drive with 80 Bluray rips is irresistable[/citation]
That is cool to be able to play BlueRay right there in the interface. I personally like storing everything in a centralized location including BlueRay rips and distributing content to all of my TV's at the same time. AppleTV makes it easy to do that and I can also control it from my phone and see the DVD/BlueRay/CD covers along with the meta data and everything. Works great. I have a machine with 1.5 terabytes of storage currently not including my RevoDrive3 X2 which is 223GB of usable space. The rest just stores data. I would like to move it over to a NAS at some point though.
My main TV where I have all my home theatre equipment is a bit more discrete. I use a Marantz UD7006 Universal player (cause I really like SuperAudio CD), and a Marantz SR-18 Receiver (12 year Old Receiver but full of Burr Brown DACS and put out 250 watts per channel)
That is cool to be able to play BlueRay right there in the interface. I personally like storing everything in a centralized location including BlueRay rips and distributing content to all of my TV's at the same time. AppleTV makes it easy to do that and I can also control it from my phone and see the DVD/BlueRay/CD covers along with the meta data and everything. Works great. I have a machine with 1.5 terabytes of storage currently not including my RevoDrive3 X2 which is 223GB of usable space. The rest just stores data. I would like to move it over to a NAS at some point though.
My main TV where I have all my home theatre equipment is a bit more discrete. I use a Marantz UD7006 Universal player (cause I really like SuperAudio CD), and a Marantz SR-18 Receiver (12 year Old Receiver but full of Burr Brown DACS and put out 250 watts per channel)
[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]That is cool to be able to play BlueRay right there in the interface. I personally like storing everything in a centralized location including BlueRay rips and distributing content to all of my TV's at the same time. AppleTV makes it easy to do that and I can also control it from my phone and see the DVD/BlueRay/CD covers along with the meta data and everything. Works great. I have a machine with 1.5 terabytes of storage currently not including my RevoDrive3 X2 which is 223GB of usable space. The rest just stores data. I would like to move it over to a NAS at some point though. My main TV where I have all my home theatre equipment is a bit more discrete. I use a Marantz UD7006 Universal player (cause I really like SuperAudio CD), and a Marantz SR-18 Receiver (12 year Old Receiver but full of Burr Brown DACS and put out 250 watts per channel)[/citation]
Sorry, the Marantz reciever is 140 watts per channel. Long time since I looked at the spec sheet.
Sorry, the Marantz reciever is 140 watts per channel. Long time since I looked at the spec sheet.
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LOL, $1499 for an 42 inch LED. What is up with Apple and sticking with the smallest screens possible.
You would have to be completely blind or stupid, I don't know which to buy this TV. You can get a Panasonic 60 inch G30 series for around $1500 on sale. Look at Cnet reviews or any other website. Plasma is the way to go.
You would have to be completely blind or stupid, I don't know which to buy this TV. You can get a Panasonic 60 inch G30 series for around $1500 on sale. Look at Cnet reviews or any other website. Plasma is the way to go.
That is not a bad price. I purchased a Samsung UN40D6400 40" 3D LED HDTV 1080p 120Hz WiFi Capable TV in 2010 from Pauls TV for 999.00 and it was the cheapest I could find for that size, form, and capability. The 42 inchers in that same range where $1399.00 at the time. I am sure they are adding in capabilities to the TV to differentiate it.You just have to figure if those additional features are worth it to you.
[citation][nom]elcentral[/nom]roffle my samsung 32 inch cost me the same and iwe yet to c a better screen and im extremly picky. altho if you go to plasma iwe seen a bit better so if its a bit off a upgrade id + the extra 10" id say its worth the money some whot.[/citation]
Man I wish you were as picky about typing as you are about TVs.
Man I wish you were as picky about typing as you are about TVs.
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Be interesting to see if any parts are user replaceable though highly doubtful given apple's previous offerings. I absolutely hate all in one units for this very reason, too expensive and you can't just replace what's broken. Call it old fashioned or whatever but pretty soon they'll add in a blu-ray player, computer, surround sound system, and gaming console and sell it as a unit. While this would be nice for aesthetics, you would pay $3k for it and have no upgrade path and once that one year warranty runs out...well let's just hope nothing breaks.
I'd rather buy each component, be able to upgrade them and never have to worry about replacing everything at once because either something broke or something better came out. But I guess this is where apple users and other users are separated because apple users don't mind bending over every time something breaks or a newer model comes out.
I'd rather buy each component, be able to upgrade them and never have to worry about replacing everything at once because either something broke or something better came out. But I guess this is where apple users and other users are separated because apple users don't mind bending over every time something breaks or a newer model comes out.
Knowing Apple, I'm sure the following will be true:
1) The display will be awesome quality, crystal clear like their monitors.
3) The interface will be nice, simple, and intuitive.
Still 42" is kind of small by today's standards, and $1500 for this size TV is a ridiculous price. The non-techie will probably eat this up, because they have no clue about technology and this TV will make it simple for them to use their phone as a remote, stream content, etc. Sad, but true.
1) The display will be awesome quality, crystal clear like their monitors.
3) The interface will be nice, simple, and intuitive.
Still 42" is kind of small by today's standards, and $1500 for this size TV is a ridiculous price. The non-techie will probably eat this up, because they have no clue about technology and this TV will make it simple for them to use their phone as a remote, stream content, etc. Sad, but true.
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