Bonham snare ludalloy or...BRASS!

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I have been experimenting with a supra ludally snare, and it seems to
me that it is a bit brighter that the bonham recordings.
could it be that he indeed did use a brass 6.5 instead of ludalloy.
let's not forget that people thought for years that Page used
marshalls with les pauls to record, when he uses small practice amps
close mic'ed.

anyone with more personal ear-experience recording drums have any
opinions?

 

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Everything I've ever read says he used the aluminum shells. I'd have
to agree. I'd imagine if you put your snare through similar signal
paths as they did, you'd find that top end a bit toned down. Not sure
if you've A/B'd your ludalloy against a vintage Luddy Brass shell or
not, but they sound totally different in person. Who knows if he ever
used a brass shell here or there, but for the most part, my vote goes
for the aluminum.
later,
m

 

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maxdm wrote:

> I have been experimenting with a supra ludally snare, and it seems to
> me that it is a bit brighter that the bonham recordings.
> could it be that he indeed did use a brass 6.5 instead of ludalloy.
> let's not forget that people thought for years that Page used
> marshalls with les pauls to record, when he uses small practice amps
> close mic'ed.

> anyone with more personal ear-experience recording drums have any
> opinions?

Plenty of Bonham discussion in the RAP archives at Google. You could
even consider the mics used for some famous tracks, the loction, etc.

http/www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

--
ha

 

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maxdimario@aliceposta.it (maxdm) wrote in message news:<25150933.0410100913.5085a5f3@posting.google.com>...
> I have been experimenting with a supra ludally snare, and it seems to
> me that it is a bit brighter that the bonham recordings.
> could it be that he indeed did use a brass 6.5 instead of ludalloy.
> let's not forget that people thought for years that Page used
> marshalls with les pauls to record, when he uses small practice amps
> close mic'ed.
>
> anyone with more personal ear-experience recording drums have any
> opinions?

It sounds like he's using a failry light bottom head - it's very
snarey. I got a similar snarey soned out of a 6.5 inch acrolyte today.
I have no idea what he used for a top head. I'm going to guess that he
didn't change them frequently. I'm not sure why that's my instinct. We
tried a few heads on this acrolyte becuase it was very ringy. I've
heard from so many people that it was a supra and it does have a
Ludwig sound. You've got to consider the heads, the tuning, the room,
the mic technique - three mics, none close and how he hit the drum.

 

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> It sounds like he's using a failry light bottom head - it's very
> snarey. I got a similar snarey soned out of a 6.5 inch acrolyte today.
> I have no idea what he used for a top head. I'm going to guess that he
> didn't change them frequently. I'm not sure why that's my instinct. We
> tried a few heads on this acrolyte becuase it was very ringy. I've
> heard from so many people that it was a supra and it does have a
> Ludwig sound. You've got to consider the heads, the tuning, the room,
> the mic technique - three mics, none close and how he hit the drum.

He used an emperor batter and snare with 42 strand wires.

the emperor gives you that thud that ambassadors don't have but is
cleaner than a pinstripe.

 

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mike@monsterisland.com (Mike Caffrey) wrote in message news:<9b30ebb8.0410102137.6ad8db39@posting.google.com>...
> You've got to consider the heads, the tuning, the room,
> the mic technique - three mics, none close and how he hit the drum.


....that last item is probably WAY more important than any of the other
parameters. Bonzo could've slapped a turkey carcass with a baseball
bat and gotten that same sound.

 

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On 12 Oct 2004 13:28:16 -0700, Buster Mudd <mr_furious@mail.com> wrote:
> mike@monsterisland.com (Mike Caffrey) wrote in message news:<9b30ebb8.0410102137.6ad8db39@posting.google.com>...
>> You've got to consider the heads, the tuning, the room,
>> the mic technique - three mics, none close and how he hit the drum.
>
>
> ...that last item is probably WAY more important than any of the other
> parameters. Bonzo could've slapped a turkey carcass with a baseball
> bat and gotten that same sound.

Keyboard Magazine, in the early days of sampling related how a Really
Important Producer had a sample of Really Famous Drummer's snare (given
the time, probably Phil Collins). Really Important Producer thought it
was Very Cool to have Really Famous Drummer's Snare Sound, forgetting
that there was no way in Hell he would sound like Phil Collins.

I'm reminded of that every time I try to sound like Keith Emerson.