California Game Law Rejected by Supreme Court

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[citation][nom]wopr11[/nom]It is reassuring to see how the court consistently protects the earnings of the gaming industry - kids can play any game they want and kill each other if they want as long as the game dealer makes its money.[/citation]

And the kid gets the money to pay for it from....


 

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[citation][nom]glasssplinter[/nom]So how long until porn falls under this and kids can buy it? Doesn't that stifle first amendment rights? I guess cigarettes and alcohol are next...[/citation]

hello and welcome to the internet, you must be new here. as a first time on the internet let me congratulate you on making it this far. to the left you will see porn, to the right you will find local hookers, and please step to the side as to make sure all the kids who got here before you don't run you over on the way to the porn and hookers.

now on a more serious note. cigarettes should be withheld from kids till 18, because some how they get the idea smoking is cool still... i dont understand that one.

alcahol on the other hand, i believe we should follow europans in their way of handling it. as in just let them drink, i think that minimum ages are 12 and such, and drinking is more of a social norm there. go to ANY collage campus, and watch the just turned 21 and never drank befores drink, or the people under 21 who get into those parties. drinking is something you need to learn at an eairlier age than 21. and just because you are 21 DOESN'T MAKE YOU AUTOMATICALLY READY. im 23 and dont/never drank for various reasons, but i could see it in many of my friends, if they were allowed, 7 out of 10 would drink socially till buzzed, two would have drink till hangover, and one would drink till out cold. than again its my opinion based on some amount of logic and looking at other countries and takine ideas that they have that work and incoprerateing it into out own.
 

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It was covered in quite intimate detail in the Canadian national news as well. Frankly I think this justice has common sense and is really in touch with the reality as well as studies.

There hasn't been one conclusive study yet that links violent games with crime exclusively. So until they somehow prove that, I think the restriction advocates should just shut up.
 

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[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]It was covered in quite intimate detail in the Canadian national news as well. Frankly I think this justice has common sense and is really in touch with the reality as well as studies. There hasn't been one conclusive study yet that links violent games with crime exclusively. So until they somehow prove that, I think the restriction advocates should just shut up.[/citation]

no, they just falsify reports, and have the "do you want to take the risk..." approaches.
than the anti will get their reports (not generally falsified) reports and claim free speach
than the pro will rip their reports up and urinate on them, and kick their crotch saying we know better than you so stfu

at this point government will get involved. p@@# away tax money on experts to review reports and conduct their own, so far all coming back inconclusive.

and the cycle of our freedoms being threatened from with continues. (soul caliber like dialouge went in my head after writing this)
 

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If you believe in free speech go to ground zero and praise the 9/11 bombers and see how far you will get. You will be arrested or worse. So "free speech" doesn't really exist.

Schwarzenegger is right in his use of the word "ultra-violent". It is unacceptable in today's society to see these more and more realistic games where images of humans are annihilated in contrast to the comic book or fairy tale violence.
 

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" ... this country is much more comfortable with children seeing violence than nudity."

This is totally funny. More than 90% of the children would do sex one day but they must never do violenct acts. Right ?

Now the state want not to censor violence but nudity. What a funny idea.
 

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USA has had almost always some strange system :D. For me, the video gaming industry is far diffrent from a comic book or a movie. In a game you are the one doing the things, in movies or comics you are an observer.
I would not like my child to play violent games if i ever have one, especially becouse games become more realistic everyday. Well, this world is been going nuts for a while now, so its not that much of a surprise.
 

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[citation][nom]cats_paw[/nom]USA has had almost always some strange system . For me, the video gaming industry is far diffrent from a comic book or a movie. In a game you are the one doing the things, in movies or comics you are an observer.I would not like my child to play violent games if i ever have one, especially becouse games become more realistic everyday. Well, this world is been going nuts for a while now, so its not that much of a surprise.[/citation]

Your missing the point. The point is that you have the choice to not allow your child to play those type of games, rather than some stuck up, know-it-all asshole politician/government telling you your child can't play them.
 

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What the hell is wrong with California?
You can smoke weed but you can't play video games?

Also, for the record...
Violent games don't make violent people. I've been playing all the most violent games my whole life. The more controversal and violent, the more I liked. Postal, Grand Theft Auto, Soldier of Fortune and all the most violent games. Today I'm just as passive as I've ever been.
Acutally, violent games can be a means to vent some frustration. (Kinda like punching a pillow, it can help releave some stress to blow off the heads of zombies.)
 

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[citation][nom]wild9[/nom]In what respect: a harmless adult pastime, a harmless child pastime or even both? I might find firing a gun with live rounds at a rusty tin-can a harmless past-time, but would it be wise to let a child do the same?[/citation]
i know a 12 year old down the road from me who can out shot you in rifles and shotguns.
me and my friends used to shoot bottles tin cans, birds and chipmunks and squirrels with our bb guns when we were 10, when we got to be teens we went on to 1 pump rule bb gun fights with each other. nobody lost an eye or felt more then stinging wrath for injury. we took up paintball by the time is became wide spread and i still play to this day. you have no idea how many kids under 18 are involved in this sport and the youngest player i have ever met/played/coached was 7 we nicknamed him ' killer ' because he could hide behing tree stumps and rocks and every one else was too big to hide behind. his first game all by himself i personally witnessed him shot out 7 very exprienced and decent players in a 350 vs 350 woods ball game on 50 acres.
some people will go to great lengths not to be owned by children.
for every bad kid like billy the kid who killed his first man at 15
there are thousands others who fought and died in the world war 2, world war 1, the american civil war, the american revolution, and so on and so forth all the way back to before the dark ages. with out this simple fact you would never have had a ficticious story by shakespear~romeo and juilet, napolean, hannibal, alexander the great, achilles, ceaser. need i go on?
this is a decision best left to parents judgement, and even then kids don't listen if they don't want to. pawn shops and kids friends don't card.
 

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[citation][nom]stm1185[/nom]That's the right train of thought, but lets continue it. So with it illegal, the kid sneaks into the theater, but now the theater is getting fined because a kid snuck in. In fact the punishment becomes so harsh that the theater then stops showing R rated movies less and less often as they cannot afford security. So now the Stuidos cant make money off R rated movies and they stop making R rated movies and move on to just PG-13 flicks.Which is what Leland Yee, D (Really a Democrat, so much for liberal!)- CA, wants for video games. Get the state to hassle retailers so harshly they turn on the developers and get them to censor their own games.[/citation]


Nice catch there , this is what i have been saying for years.
the first time censorship is allowed , will be the begining of the entire break down of free speech in art. because the censorship WILL affect what kind of "art" is produced.


now chill out on the "ooh democrat= liberal" stuff ,

this is a common mistake that many republicans love about the voting population, and that is that 2/3rds of teh country deosnt realize that liberal/conservative and democrat /republican are two differnt things.

liberalism and conservatism are idealologies , they should NOT be confused with political parties , the democrat in qeustion IS NOT a liberal he is a conservative democrat

there are liberal republicans and there are conservative democrats jsut because some on is a republicaln doesnt mean they have conservative ideals , and nor do all democrats have liberal ideas.

now for the record i'm neither republican or democrat , and i'm a moderate when it comes ot idealogies . i just had to comment on this cos i'm sick and tired of the perpeuation of the idea that these idealogies are found only among this or that political group , because this is NOT the case. the republicans and democrats both play off this misinformation to get votes , conservative dem's use it to grap liberal voter's votes and liberal republicans use it to grap conservative voter's votes.
 

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[citation][nom]wild9[/nom]In what respect: a harmless adult pastime, a harmless child pastime or even both? I might find firing a gun with live rounds at a rusty tin-can a harmless past-time, but would it be wise to let a child do the same?[/citation]

in texas (and most of the south) kids do this ALL the time , I fired my first gun whan i was 9 (under the supervision of my grandfather of course). and most people who teach thier kids to fire guns , also teach them fire arm saftey, believe it or not most kids are not so stupid they can't grasp fire arm saftey (ie dont have guns laying around loaded , or dont play around with them tor show them off to friends , stuff like that ) also a well locked gun cabinet is a must for those kids that don't pick up on this, persoanlly i never messed witha gun un supervised when i was growing up and i sure as hell didn't try to take them out of my grandfather's locekd gun cabinet by myself. Lastly i'd like to say , comparing a violent video game to shooting areal gun is about teh dumbest f--- thing i ever heard.
 

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[citation][nom]glasssplinter[/nom]So how long until porn falls under this and kids can buy it? Doesn't that stifle first amendment rights? I guess cigarettes and alcohol are next...[/citation]


i take back the last comment i made on my last post .. this is now the dumbest thing i heard some one say
 

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[citation][nom]CyberAngel[/nom]Nice that US have laws that protect the Devil.USA is the least Christian country of them all.GUARDIANS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THEY CHILDRENwhen they allow them violenceTHAT*S WHY you should have laws to protect the innocentnow you don't. Too bad...really Bad...BAD!The Judgement Day is coming...[/citation]

Go back to your compound and continue to pay homage to your cult leader (at least before the Feds come and storm it)
 

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It's already annoying enough to buy violent video games as is, thank you.
One day I guess I made the mistake of going to buy dome R rated games right after shaving, and they refused to sell them to me. No one would stop me when I was 12 buying them, but now they stop me if I'm 20, shaved, and don't have my ID on me?
 

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I agree with the court rulling- and children will get the games no matter what. But I wish there was a rating between T and M because there is no way CoD and Crysis are as bad as DNF and GTA. The Europeans are even worse than the ESRB- supposedly Total War games are for 16 year olds. Heck I could give a TW game to a 10 year old and he would be fine and would also learn alot about history. It's all messed up- some of the ratings just don't make any sense. You have games like Manhunt which should be Adults Only that give a bad name to the entire M rated genre and mess up kids who just want to play the latest crap from Activision.
 

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[citation][nom]whysobluepandabear[/nom]One point I will make and question, is why exactly IS violence so damn entertaining? Think about it. From action films where It's shoot em' up, bang bang - to games like GTA and wrestling. Why does beating, shooting or otherwise killing stuff entertain the human race as much as it does? It makes you wonder why violence is so virtuous. We really might be better off teaching our kids all of that hippie love and hugging type of stuff. I wonder if we'll ever change to the point where we no longer desire to play or watch anything violent. (i.e. You have a group of kids that want to play Mortal Kombat, and not that Tetris, Tetris is boring and no action; but what if someday that flips and they look at Mortal Kombat as boring?)[/citation]
When prohibition was passed with the 18th Amendment do you know what it did? It made people want to drink- funny isn't it? Humans always want to do exactly what we're not supposed to. You could say it's almost in our DNA. We like to shoot up other people virtually because it's the closest we can get to actually shooting people up in real life- something that we're not supposed to do. Humans think ok if that person was addicted to alcohol and is now telling me I should never drink aren't they being hypocritical? I want to try drinking now to see what's so bad about it.
 
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