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Didn't know a square object could have a DIAMETER.... I thought people usually referred to DIAGONAL when measuring screen sizes...
i wouldn´t compare the zen directly with the nano
the zen is twice as thick as the nano, but it also comes with twice as much capacity, with the option to add another 32gb.
during reading the article, the author seemed to me as he was kind of an apple-fan and so he found irrational cons on the zen.
sorry, but i'd appreciate a _short_ usb cable. and the power button with the integrated hold-function is also nice - i testet it.
ok, i'd also prefer it, if the sd-added capacity would be recognized as ordinary system memory and would be integrated completely, but hey! the nano comes with 8gb _maximum_!!!
i dont want to say the zen is better, but it sure is, like the nano, a great multimedia-player.
the zen is twice as thick as the nano, but it also comes with twice as much capacity, with the option to add another 32gb.
during reading the article, the author seemed to me as he was kind of an apple-fan and so he found irrational cons on the zen.
sorry, but i'd appreciate a _short_ usb cable. and the power button with the integrated hold-function is also nice - i testet it.
ok, i'd also prefer it, if the sd-added capacity would be recognized as ordinary system memory and would be integrated completely, but hey! the nano comes with 8gb _maximum_!!!
i dont want to say the zen is better, but it sure is, like the nano, a great multimedia-player.
what i like best:
16million colours
customizable menus
customizable button
sdhc
i dont like:
plastic-finish
u have to use creative suite
16million colours
customizable menus
customizable button
sdhc
i dont like:
plastic-finish
u have to use creative suite
Two big disappointments - video playback and bundled software. I use the Zen to watch TV episodes while using a treadmill at the gym. Most display n letterbox format (making the picture even smaller). There is a "stretch to fit" option which is terrible because of the resulting distortion. There is no "zoom to fit" option like there is on my iPod. Also if you are not viewing from just the right angle the quality is very poor. Again not an issue on my iPod. The bundled software can only synchronize from the PC to the player. There is no communication back to the PC to update the PC library with info such as play count. This makes managing podcasts very tedious compared to iTunes/iPod. I had high hopes for my 16GB Zen as a replacement for iPod but I've been very disappointed.
There is one other feature to note, that isn't noted in the article above, and that's the fact that the Zen is able to use WMA DRM, which means that it is able to play audio from an almost inumerable list of online music reatilers(Such as Rhapsody). The lack of WMA DRM support on iPods has been a major bone of contention for some time now, as Apple restricts you to only using their proprietary DRM formats. While this may not be a big issue to some people, for those who use these sites, iPods are just impractacle. And also, you don't HAVE to use the Creative suite to transfer to your device, it's recognized as a Mass Storage Device, so windows explorer will see it and add it to your list as either a mobile audio device (Vista) or a Usp Attached Mass Storage (akin to a USB HDD in everything before Vista).
I actually own a Zen, and use it daily. Put is simply, it is a disappointment.
First of all, the device uses MTP to link up with Windows, which requires Windows Media Player 10 or above. In other words, you can forget about other platforms like OS X or Linux. There is an open source third party software for Mac, and it works reasonably well, but I can say the same with Linux. I have a Ubuntu Linux laptop, an d the software on the repository did work with my Zen. A quick search on google showed I need to manually compile the source and override some default settings. This is just a bit too much for casual Linux user (the very same reaason I went to for Ubuntu for the ease to use reason)
Secondly, unlike iPod which you can at least see and use the device as a mass storage. This is not an option with Zen because of the MTP protocol it uses. So if you want to use the Zen to move files about, you can forget that idea.
Thirdly, Zen was sold as a video player as well as a competent mp3 player. Well, Zen is very picky on the video format and size. If you have a library of DivX files, and you think you can simply play it on Zen, you will be disappointed as I am. It only plays DivX video at 320x240 (can remember the exact horizontal resolution) with very strict encoding condition, i.e. you need to recoding your videos to play on Zen. In addition, I found the video and audio often out of sync (I am already using the latest firmware from Creative)
Honestly, if I know Creative had changed the way its players linking up a computer (using MTP), I would avoid it like I avoid iPod in the first place.
If I really was an branded player again. This time I would pick up an iPod due to its years of refinement. I guess iPod being the top of mp3 players for so long is for a reason.
First of all, the device uses MTP to link up with Windows, which requires Windows Media Player 10 or above. In other words, you can forget about other platforms like OS X or Linux. There is an open source third party software for Mac, and it works reasonably well, but I can say the same with Linux. I have a Ubuntu Linux laptop, an d the software on the repository did work with my Zen. A quick search on google showed I need to manually compile the source and override some default settings. This is just a bit too much for casual Linux user (the very same reaason I went to for Ubuntu for the ease to use reason)
Secondly, unlike iPod which you can at least see and use the device as a mass storage. This is not an option with Zen because of the MTP protocol it uses. So if you want to use the Zen to move files about, you can forget that idea.
Thirdly, Zen was sold as a video player as well as a competent mp3 player. Well, Zen is very picky on the video format and size. If you have a library of DivX files, and you think you can simply play it on Zen, you will be disappointed as I am. It only plays DivX video at 320x240 (can remember the exact horizontal resolution) with very strict encoding condition, i.e. you need to recoding your videos to play on Zen. In addition, I found the video and audio often out of sync (I am already using the latest firmware from Creative)
Honestly, if I know Creative had changed the way its players linking up a computer (using MTP), I would avoid it like I avoid iPod in the first place.
If I really was an branded player again. This time I would pick up an iPod due to its years of refinement. I guess iPod being the top of mp3 players for so long is for a reason.
Sorry, there were few typo in my last post...
Zen does not work on Ubuntu with the library on the repository.
You cannot use the Zen as a simply massive storage device.
... as it should be read as "I cannot remember the horizontal resolution restriction on Zen)
Zen does not work on Ubuntu with the library on the repository.
You cannot use the Zen as a simply massive storage device.
... as it should be read as "I cannot remember the horizontal resolution restriction on Zen)
i find the Zen to be a nice device. it plays audio and video well, the sd card slot serves as a mass storage device and i can sync music and vid directly using windows explorer. its alot easier than having to deal with programs like the Zune and iPod. i have yet to compare it to Samsung's players yet, but im quite content with my purchase so far.
are you sure about the Creative Suite thing?... I connected the zen with a both vista and xp machine, and it was installed without using drivers... after that it was just like any other USB drive....
i didn't have to the time to transfer any files, so i might be wrong?
i didn't have to the time to transfer any files, so i might be wrong?
whats with all the vibrant ads throughout toms h/w articles? does anyone else hate running into them as you go to click a link or scroll down?
Try to copy a media file that is not supported by the Zen, you will get a complaining message from the Zen. This shows Windows is not seeing the Zen as a simple USB mass storage device, but it is a device under MTP connection which requires the correct version of Window Media Player (Windows will not recognize the Zen if it is using Media Player version 9)
Um, for you linux users. This device works perfectly with Amarok. And if you use linux, you SHOULD be using Amarok since there's nothing better... in any OS.
other than that there's Gnomad2 which should be in your repositories. If it isn't, then add it. If you can't, then you can either compile it (2 seconds) or switch to a more mainstream distro.
For mac users there is XNJB, but I don't think it can transfer album art like Amarok can.
other than that there's Gnomad2 which should be in your repositories. If it isn't, then add it. If you can't, then you can either compile it (2 seconds) or switch to a more mainstream distro.
For mac users there is XNJB, but I don't think it can transfer album art like Amarok can.
Okay. Yes. You can use it as a mass storage device. You drag and drop and it will say "The File is not supported" BUT you can still put it on there.
How are you going to complain that creative is limited with what it can sync with? The new Ipods can ONLY sync with iTunes (without a hack) This is one of the most open mp3 players onthe market.
So know your mp3 player before you complain
How are you going to complain that creative is limited with what it can sync with? The new Ipods can ONLY sync with iTunes (without a hack) This is one of the most open mp3 players onthe market.
So know your mp3 player before you complain
"You cannot use the Zen as a simply massive storage device."
What the hell is it with this trend? Fu<king Apple had to introduce this "feature" so it will sync ipods, then MS adopted the same strategy for the Zune;and now Creative is doing the same thing?!! Bull shi- Creative, Bull shi-.
What the hell is it with this trend? Fu<king Apple had to introduce this "feature" so it will sync ipods, then MS adopted the same strategy for the Zune;and now Creative is doing the same thing?!! Bull shi- Creative, Bull shi-.
Zen may work with other Linux distribution, but not with Ubuntu/Kubuntu. It requires manual compilation of source code to get it to work. XNJB works great on my Mac though. But after all, why can we just drag and drop.
As for drag and drop works despite of the error message ... well, my computer seems to tell me differently. It won't let me copy video files that are not supported.
Open ... you can using a proprietary protocol from Microsoft(MTP) is open? Where is the old pain massive storage device?
As for drag and drop works despite of the error message ... well, my computer seems to tell me differently. It won't let me copy video files that are not supported.
Open ... you can using a proprietary protocol from Microsoft(MTP) is open? Where is the old pain massive storage device?
i agree that the person who did the review seems to like the apple ipod more and found everything possibly to knock the zen, but when it finished it said the biggest cons were the power button and sdhc.
it would have been nice for him to compare the two side by side. it would have been nice for them to show the picture quality of both players.
also compare the price of the two. also take time to consider what it takes to put flac encoded file on any ipod. next how many different ways can you add your music collection to a zen vs an ipod new generation wich practically forces you to use itunes.
you might not need the sdhc expansion if you already have an 8GB ipod, but it gives you the option. creative seems to be the only one who sells accesories for the zen when you can find ipod anything anywhere. i think unless you dont feel like shelling out money to creative for accessories, overall the zen is better for the money. i think the biggest con of this device is the noise level. why does it have a noticable noise level. are the ipods the same way?
it would have been nice for him to compare the two side by side. it would have been nice for them to show the picture quality of both players.
also compare the price of the two. also take time to consider what it takes to put flac encoded file on any ipod. next how many different ways can you add your music collection to a zen vs an ipod new generation wich practically forces you to use itunes.
you might not need the sdhc expansion if you already have an 8GB ipod, but it gives you the option. creative seems to be the only one who sells accesories for the zen when you can find ipod anything anywhere. i think unless you dont feel like shelling out money to creative for accessories, overall the zen is better for the money. i think the biggest con of this device is the noise level. why does it have a noticable noise level. are the ipods the same way?
Ugh... why are you comparing it to an iPod Nano? They suck, are completely different. Surely you compare a ZEN Micro to a Nano and a ZEN to a iPod Classic? Also, you don't seem to show any enthusiasm for one of the only Media Players to have a chance against Apple's iPod, which shows you can't open your mind.
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