Canadian Police: Those Spreading Photos of B.C. Gang Rape Could Face Child Porno

[ohseus]

[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]because that's what they see on tv and want to be just like their peers, that's why they call it peer-pressure[/citation]

It is a biological fact that the areas of the brain that allow for good decision making are not fully developed in 16 year olds.

 

[billiardicus]

[citation][nom]xantek24[/nom]geez thats awful....can you show us the pics?[/citation]

LMAO

There's a lot of uptight people on this board, but I for one appreciate your sense of humor.

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]surfer1337dude[/nom]This is a stupid comment, firstly the law states that unless it is consented (in other words, she would have had to approve of the actions before hand), also the use of drugs is not an excuse (the law also states that impairment does not give consent and that the person is less able to give their consent and therefore you should either get consent before the use or just not do it or it can be rape). Thirdly she is under the age. No matter what this is illegal (personally Ive asked for IDs in bars [Im 21] because the girls that are interested in you wont really mind).[/citation]

First of all in Canada the legal age of consent is 16 year, so this has nothing to do with statutory rape.

Secondly, if she was a participant and not unconscious, then this is implied consent. When I said that she was too stoned to stop it, I meant that she was too stoned to think straight, not that she was unconscious. There are plenty of times when I've gotten drunk and done something stupid only to regret it the next day (though thankfully nothing like this case).

 

[chick0n]

[citation][nom]stm1185[/nom]Hope they arrest everyone taking a video of it as an accomplice. Standing around video taping 7 guys rape a girl should not be a legal act. But then maybe Canada is in to that sort of thing.[/citation]

calling other country by names. typical americans act.

oh so what about that gunner who just shot his family dead + the neighbors just becuz the breakfast egg wasn't cook well. Should I call that Americans are into that sort of thing?

Its time to grow up.

 

[back_by_demand]

Amazing, all the people who have expressed disgust have been thumbed down.
Either...
There are a lot of people who automatically blame the girl on the forum
Or
There are a lot of rapists

 

[CptTripps]

[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]calling other country by names. typical americans act.[/citation]

By saying that is typical of Americans you just did the exact same thing. Time to grow up.

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]calling other country by names. typical americans act.[/citation]
I love the unintentional irony! +1 to you

 

[Guest]

Having been to Raves when I was younger, it's unlikely that it was rape in the "nonconsentual" way but more of rape in the "she was too young to consent" way. For them to track down the pictures is likely that they were posted by individuals on her "friends" list. I had seen girls as young as 12 at raves soliciting guys with sexual favors to get Extasy drugs. It's really quite sad. I'm not saying for sure this is what happened, just that it is the more likely possibility considering it was a rave.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]First of all in Canada the legal age of consent is 16 year, so this has nothing to do with statutory rape. Secondly, if she was a participant and not unconscious, then this is implied consent. When I said that she was too stoned to stop it, I meant that she was too stoned to think straight, not that she was unconscious. There are plenty of times when I've gotten drunk and done something stupid only to regret it the next day (though thankfully nothing like this case).[/citation]
Obviously you have never taken drugs because you have no idea about how they affect people. She was not stoned or drunk, she was drugged.
Specifically with date rape drugs.
Now the clue here is in the name. For drugs like GHB, Ketamine or BBenzodiazepine - one of which is rohypnol, more commonly known as "roofies". The main side effects are loss of inhibition, memory loss, confusion, inability to associate actions with thoughts.
Therefore.
If she had her drink spiked with these drugs she could have been gang raped by a football team and not only would she have no ability to defend herself but would also not have much ability to participate in the act other than to sit there in a stupor whilst each guy has a go, also she would likely not have much memory of the attack till the day after.

Even if she took the drugs herself if you see a 16 year old girl who just allowed herself, in a nightclub, whilst obviously out of her mind, get screwed by 5 other guys on camera - would you think it was a good idea to jump on next?
Of course you would, because you are all on the same drugs.
But the next day, when you come down, and realise you and 6 of your mates took turns on someone who was not capable of giving consent and then post the video on the internet?

Being high on drugs whilst committing a crime is no defence, try asking any judge.

 

[irh_1974]

Hilarious all the people talking about Ecstasy and offers of sexual favours.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Obviously you have never taken drugs because you have no idea about how they affect people. She was not stoned or drunk, she was drugged.Specifically with date rape drugs.Now the clue here is in the name. For drugs like GHB, Ketamine or BBenzodiazepine - one of which is rohypnol, more commonly known as "roofies". The main side effects are loss of inhibition, memory loss, confusion, inability to associate actions with thoughts.Therefore.If she had her drink spiked with these drugs she could have been gang raped by a football team and not only would she have no ability to defend herself but would also not have much ability to participate in the act other than to sit there in a stupor whilst each guy has a go, also she would likely not have much memory of the attack till the day after.[/citation]
While I have never used GHB, K, etc, I have many friends that use these > once a month. The effect of GHB especially is very similar to alcohol (which is why you shouldn't mix it with alcohol). I have taken other drugs on numerous occasions.

You seem to just be presuming guilt. In these situations, usually nothing sinister is intended, people are just overly inebriated and things get out of hand.

Nobody is disputing the fact that the people filming should have intervened. The fact that they didn't makes the illegality of the act even more questionable. Since I live near where this happened, I'll be following this story as it unfolds. I'm betting the truth isn't as black and white as some people are making it out to be.

 

[FSXFan]

[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]Not commenting on this article but some of the conversations here about abusing the "rape" card too often. I have a friend who was driving to Toronto who picked up two hitch-hikers (women of age). They then told him to take them to Ottawa or they would call the police and scream rape. (Ottawa was a few hours out of his way). They had his plate number written down. He had to comply or face the legal battle. He had a good job and all too often even the accusation of rape will get you fired even if you're found not guilty. He couldn't risk losing his job over it even if proven innocent.Sometimes people know what they can get away with and are too eager to abuse it.[/citation]
I would've drove them straight to the police station and even escorted the ladies inside.

 

[beayn]

[citation][nom]FSXFan[/nom]I would've drove them straight to the police station and even escorted the ladies inside.[/citation]

The word of two girls against one guy = guy loses. They'd just have to struggle a bit and the cops toss you in jail.

 

[coldmast]

Here in Canada it is illegal to have sex with someone who doesn't consent, if someone is impaired they cannot legally consent; also recording a sexual act with person that is under the age of 18 is child pornography. The police are reminding people to not only stop distributing the video to protect the victim of this act. Some of the posters think that it is OK to rape people if they don't fight back kicking and screaming, that is not the case, that is why we have laws and due process.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]While I have never used GHB, K, etc, I have many friends that use these[/citation]
That was all we needed to hear, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

 

[grieve]

[citation][nom]wonton04[/nom]This is a hard one to comment on because we don't know what went down or how it went down...so unless you have seen the pictures or were at the rave then you really have no idea if she was being raped or not. I won't say either way, but I do find it funny that no one would stop it if she was "being raped" and so many people were watching...just raises many questions.Sorry but after the acid lady I have a hard time giving anyone the benefit of the doubt now.[/citation]
I agree...
What if this was sex with 7 guys because she is a horney teenager... then she saw pics/vid online of herself and didnt want to look like a whore so she screamed rape?
....or what if she realy was raped?!

I still think the video taper should be charged with the group that raped her. HOW could you be so low to witness a rape and do nothing! even if you risk your life...STOP THE RAPE, what a coward!... We don't need people in our society like this.

 

[wmtyrance]

We will never know what the real story here was. I have a brother thats a policeman. The stories he's told me about raves are sickening. These parties are illegal for a reason. Girls always get assaulted at these parties but they still go to them. All kinds of drugs and alcohol are used at them. Girls between the ages of 15 to 25 are at these places. I'm sorry to say this but young girls are stupid. And so are the parents for not knowing whats going on. I will never understand why they think they would be safe going to things like this. Raves are a sexual predators dream. They don't check for id's at these parties. And if you pickup anything from this its the fact that no one at this party tried to stop it. They took out their phones for pictures.

 

[Guest]

Seriously... there is no excuse for what happened here. EVERYBODY is to blame. The parents should have been better parents but they failed. The girl should have been smarter about her own safety. The rapists are still rapists and should be made to pay for what they did - what difference does it make if this girl was too stoned to know what was going on - it doesn't make it right. The people who took pictures and videos should be charged as they are morally no better than the rapists. The people who post this crap to facebook are no better either. There is something wrong with people who find pleasure in other people's misery. And finally, anybody who would look at these pictures has some issues that they really need to deal with.

Bottom line is that the damn situation is just sad and EVERYBODY needs to learn from it so it doesn't happen again.

 

[robd007]

youve oboviously never been to a rave...

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Statutory rape due to the age of the girl is still rape.Willing whilst under the influence of rape drugs is not willing at all.Having 7 guys all go at once isn't right by any definition.Filming it and posting on the internet is just asking for trouble....Someone should hang these guys from their balls from the nearest tree.[/citation]
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Statutory rape due to the age of the girl is still rape.Willing whilst under the influence of rape drugs is not willing at all.Having 7 guys all go at once isn't right by any definition.Filming it and posting on the internet is just asking for trouble....Someone should hang these guys from their balls from the nearest tree.[/citation]

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]robd007[/nom]youve oboviously never been to a rave...[/citation]
Dude, back in the early 90's we invented raves.
At the Hacienda they used to sell ecstasy over the bar, before that warehouse parties were all over the country and acid house was the biggest club sound there was. Then came the superclubs like Ministry of Sound, Cream and Gatecrasher.
I have done more drugs than you have had hot dinners and if there's one thing I know for sure is if you have dropped a few ecstacy tablets it is almost impossible to have sex.

These new drugs are not for partying, they are used for rape.
End of story.