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"Mark Lauter" <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote in
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> > >You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?
> >
> > Not yet.
> <snip explanation>
>
> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.
I
> cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
> exists. But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..
>
> Trying to find the middle Way,

How about the 17-40L for a middle way?

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Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.

You'll be waiting some number of years for that.

> I cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
> exists.

Sure, you can get even wider.

> But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..

Isn't there a 17-something in the Canon lineup? I find that to be about
as wide as I want, but I'm not really into the super-wide-angle thing; if
you are, you can get a 10-22 (or something like that) from Canon.

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james <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile I have become reluctant to change lenses at all, since reading
> some scary stuff about dust and the CCD.

What you read around here is far scarier than the reality of it.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:53:20 -0000, Jeremy Nixon <jeremy@exit109.com>
wrote:

>Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
>> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.
>
>You'll be waiting some number of years for that.
>
>> I cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
>> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
>> exists.
>
>Sure, you can get even wider.
>
>> But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
>> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..
>
>Isn't there a 17-something in the Canon lineup? I find that to be about
>as wide as I want, but I'm not really into the super-wide-angle thing; if
>you are, you can get a 10-22 (or something like that) from Canon.

The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
full size sensor. In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.


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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote

> > Trying to find the middle Way,
>
> How about the 17-40L for a middle way?

I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote

> The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
> buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
> full size sensor.

Interesting point.

> In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
> and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.

I'd buy a 3rd party lens if I could find a site with a comprehensive list of
brands.

B&H lists vivitar, sigma and tamron in the mix, but I'm not sure if they're
any good.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:20:19 GMT, "Mark Lauter"
<available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote
>
>> The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
>> buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
>> full size sensor.
>
>Interesting point.
>
>> In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
>> and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.
>
>I'd buy a 3rd party lens if I could find a site with a comprehensive list of
>brands.

I wouldn't buy a 3rd party lenses but here's where you can find
information on those which work with Canon.

http/www.patrickmurphystudio.com/canoneos/index.htm


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On 26 Apr 2005 00:21:46 -0700, "Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy@gmail.com>
wrote:

>james wrote:
>> In article <426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com>,
>> Bob(but not that Bob) <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific"
>>
>> Good Lord, really?
>>
>> Nobody who has ever held a Hasselblad or even a Zeiss lens
>> in his hand will ever dub the 18-55 kit lens as "terriffic."
>>
>> I mean, the lens has a front focusing element that visibly
>> moves from the shutter vibration! It *feels* like junk.
>>
>> If the optics are good, it's a waste of good glass to be in
>> this poor a mechanism.
>
>The front element of the lens has play in MF mode and MF is jerky.
>Low-light AF isn't the lens' strong point. That said, I've still kept
>the lens. The 18-55mm gives you approximately 28-90mm range and at 190
>gms there is no other lens that is light enough for treks. The Sigma
>24-135mm I now own weighs 530 gms, the Sigma 18-125mm weighs 385 gms
>and the Canon 17-85mm (if I could afford it) weighs 475 gms.
>
>So the lens certainly has it uses.
>
>- Siddhartha

Always amazes me how so many people are so quick to look down
on something that does not cost a lot of money & or is partly made out
of plastic. For the record, I have this lens & it's a great general
purpose walking around lens that reforms very well in spite of it's
sub $100.00 US price. Does Canon make better lenses? Certainly they
do but not everybody can afford them or they need to save for just 1
or 2 of Canon's better 1's & certainly more expensive lenses.

Every lens has both it's strong points & weak points
regardless of cost. A good photographer learns to make the most of
what he or she has. My 17-85mm IS lens is a joy to take pictures with
but it too has a few weaknesses that 1 needs to keep in mind when
taking pictures. My kit lens still has it's uses & is not going to be
sold nor left around collecting dust.

Then again I am just an amateur photographer & probably always
will be. Just to show you how bad I am, here is a collection of lousy
"existing light" digital pictures taken with various P&S digital
cameras.

www.pbase.com/dhb_2005

Incidentally, many people said the 18-55mm kit lens was junk
long before it was 1st released for sale with the Digital Rebel/300D &
even before any reviews were out. Last I checked, that clearly
illustrates "prejudice" (pre-judge)!

Just my 2 cents worth - inflation.

Respectfully, DHB
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or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

 

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Mark Lauter wrote:
> I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on
the wide
> side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm
kit
> lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current
interests which
> are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to
equal
> the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap
lens.

Have you considered using de-fishing software to correct the
aberrations caused by fisheyes? There is the Peleng 8mm that costs
$200. Its a M42 mount lens but sells with an EOS/Nikon mount adapter.
See this:
http/www.jarnell.com/reviews/peleng/index.htm

Very interesting!!

- Siddhartha

 

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:49:41 GMT
In message <pXwbe.31522$_t3.9093@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>
"Mark Lauter" <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

> ...
> ... Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing exists.
> ...

The only Canon SLR / dSLR rectilinear lens is the EF 14mm f/2.8L USM

http/www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=12066&is=USA

If you think these lens prices are high,
check out the movie and video industries.
We are discussing chump change...

Jeff (This "fun & relaxing hobby" can be stressful at times...)

 

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:54:15 -0000
In message <116te47nk8qbg3c@corp.supernews.com>
Jeremy Nixon <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:

> What you read around here is far scarier than the reality of it.

Unless your reality places you near the beach, in the rain, above/next
to a race track with the cars generating a 200+mph down force,
downtown in a windy city, etc... not all photo opportunities are SLR
friendly.

SENSORS - THE DIRTY GOOEY TRUTH

Does it happen? Yes.

Does it happen frequently? No.

Does it happen frequently? Occasionally, yes.

Murphy's Law will dictate when. Be prepared.

Jeff

 

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Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote

>> > Trying to find the middle Way,
>>
>> How about the 17-40L for a middle way?
>
>I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
>side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
>lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
>are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
>the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.

The 10-22mm EF-S lens is about $750

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Ray Fischer wrote:
> Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>
>>"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote
>
>
>>>>Trying to find the middle Way,
>>>
>>>How about the 17-40L for a middle way?
>>
>>I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
>>side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
>>lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
>>are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
>>the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.
>
>
> The 10-22mm EF-S lens is about $750

Nobody mentioned the Sigma 12-24 f4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM
<http/194.100.88.243/petteri/pont/Reviews/a_Sigma_12-24_f4.5-5.6/a_Sigma_EX_12-24_f4.5-5.6.html>
http/www.pbase.com/dhatchner/sigma_1224_vs_canon_1740_l

The second link gives a no-go but it's based on softness in a comparison
with a 17-x canon. The 12-x is obviously going to have some compromises
plus it's good on film or a full frame sensor where the wide angle would
be really nuts. $700

 

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In article <D8zbe.26163$5f.10554@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

>B&H lists vivitar, sigma and tamron in the mix, but I'm not sure if they're
>any good.

It depends on your criteria for "good." Mine is along the lines of
"good value, gets the job done, doesn't cause me to miss any meals or
car payments." So I have a Tamron zoom lens. It's the best glass I've
ever owned. I don't know if it does my camera justice, but I don't
care.

I took some test shots and was looking at them critically. I was able
to see some things in my test shot that I couldn't see with my eye. I
was able to enlarge fine print on things that I would have had to take
off the shelf to read. I saw something at the edge that looked
yellowish, and thought "a-hah! chroma aberration!" Nope, it was
accurate, but I had to get up close to see it.

So I'm satisfied with a $275 lens. To do any better, I'd have to get,
say, a $1500 lens. IS lenses are really neat. But just because I
bought a $1300 camera body, does NOT mean I'm in the market for such
lenses.

I probably will get one or two EF primes. But I'd have no qualms about
getting another Tamron or maybe trying Sigma in the meantime.

See, there's also the tangible factor of something being good enough to
get the job done, and within my budget of discretionary spending.
There's also the threshold where I could have an angry woman on my
hands. (Although, you should realize that part of the reason I went for
a 20D instead of a Rebel or a Nikon, was at the encouragement of that
potentially angry woman, so it's not a huge risk.)

 

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> Have you considered using de-fishing software to correct the
> aberrations caused by fisheyes? There is the Peleng 8mm that costs
> $200. Its a M42 mount lens but sells with an EOS/Nikon mount adapter.
> See this:
> http/www.jarnell.com/reviews/peleng/index.htm
>
> Very interesting!!

I hadn't thought about that as I'm mostly shooting film and would like a
lens that will be super-duper-ultra-crazy wide for my film SLR and
super-wide for the new dSLR that I have my eye on. And.. hmmmm.. that is a
very interesting suggestion. Thanks.

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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote
<snip>
> See, there's also the tangible factor of something being good enough to
> get the job done, and within my budget of discretionary spending.

We think alike. Thanks for the post.

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> If you think these lens prices are high,
> check out the movie and video industries.
> We are discussing chump change...

I'll have to explain that to the IRS when I don't have money to pay them.
"Hey guys, just be thankful I'm not into film making." <g>

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