Carmack: Rage PS3 Lagging Behind Xbox 360, PC

[ryokinshin]

@leon2006

Sure for the price you pay....lol. Max your hardware and budget, to run everything, gj.

 

[shrex]

@ryokinshin

350$ pc better than PS3 and Xbox 360

http/vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=65891

 

[seezur]

Sonyjust didn't play their cards right. Putting a blu-ray drive in the thing was a good idea. Putting a cpu that is super powerful but completly different than what the programers are used to was a bad idea.

They should have focused more on graphics power than cpu power and stuck with a more traditional design. The end result is MS having a huge lead in release date and a larger library of games plus developers who are put off by the fact they have to learn new hardware so they can make a game for the smallest demographic in the gaming community.

 

[ryokinshin]

@shrex, PS3 runs Crysis, $499 from 2006.

 

[shrex]

@ryokinshin

wat are you on about, any sources.

and when was crysis on ps3

 

[helldog3105]

One thing I seem to remember from back when the PS3 was being designed was that they originally felt that the design was very sound and the processing engine was strong enough to handle even the graphics rasterization. But somewhere along the way that changed, and they added an NVidia based graphic processing subset to the PS3. Does anyone know why they changed their minds on the design? The cell processor is a very powerful processor when you are given full access. I still don't see why Sony locked it down with that hypervisor piece. Perhaps someone here knows and would be willing to share?

 

[ryokinshin]

http/www.gametrailers.com/video/gdc-09-cryengine-3/47150

 

[ryokinshin]

@helldog3105, apparently the original PS3 had 2 Cell procs instead of 1 and RSX, but that would have been instant failure.
Crysis 2* and the fact that no other games have looked as good as Crysis up until now, is a bad argument on your PC gaming hardware, 4 series and GTX 2 series are a year old=cheap by now.

 

[shrex]

well thats running at 1280x720 @30fps not that high. people on pc even a few years ago ago could achieve that on a budget, but they couldnt run it at 1920x1080 @60fps and they complained their pc couldnt run crysis

 

[dkcrogue]

I think Sony probably decided to go with the Cell Processor purely for marketing reasons. I think they just wanted to outdo Microsoft for specification, after the Xbox 1 shat all over the ps2. The cheapest way for them to get raw floating point performance that looks good on paper would be to make the CPU highly multithreaded, which is what the Cell is. They just assumed programmers would eventually find a way to efficiently program for it.... but this unfortunatly has never happened.

 

[ryokinshin]

Hey, 60fps on Rage that looks better then Crysis, on 2005 and 2006 hardware. Fallout 3 engine came out in 2006 as Oblivion, so it's not going to be hard to run.

I have not touched my hardware since I got it. Nothing from 05 or 06 could run it at that. That is also just an old techdemo of the engine, which they will obviously optimize more by the time the actual game comes out. Plus, you don't know exact resolution, fps, aa details, which are obviously not low quality.

I don't see what the point of just performing on par with a console is if your running a PC game.

 

[Guest]

The PS3 helped Sony win the HI Def war but in the process lost the game console war. All the future royalties from blu ray may offset their losses this time around in the game market. They will probably bounce back with the PS4 since their sole focus will be on gaming next time around.
..Udnus 07/31/2009 4:42 PM

Ok, so everyone who bought a ps3 for now have a blu-ray paper weight and next year's ps4 console for gaming!

 

[ryokinshin]

^lol, reply is full of win.

 

[shrex]

the ps3 has a weakened version of the 7800gtx. so i doubt the settings are gonna be high on the ps3 even tho it still looks impressive. Also its definetly not as high as pc settings as the ps3 doesnt do directx 10

They have had a couple of years now to optimise the crytek engine.

the point is you could spend less on a more capable pc, i see your point that you may not have been able to beat the price of the ps3 in 2006 (but thats because the cost is subsidised and the games cost twice as much as the pc version)

 

[helldog3105]

The problem I see with the fact that they were looking for a paper win on the processor comes back to the point that the SPE's on the Cell processor do not process full (I think they call it intelligent?) threads. I can only do three of those with the main core and then the SPE's do specific types of threads. I don't know if I'm wording it right, but the only thing that Sony could say is, "You have a 3 core processor? Oh yeah? We've got an 8 core processor! Well, technically a 7 core processor, cause we're using one core to lock people out of our system, but 7 is more than 8!!!!" That doesn't seem like a logical reason for using the Cell processor. There has to be more of a reason. The processor is powerful, no doubt, but it seems that it was designed for a server environment. Hmm, I don't know what do you guys think?

 

[shrex]

The problem was that they gave ken kutaragi too much power and they ended up using the wrong processor

 

[ryokinshin]

Hey, why bother using that money to upgrade, $10 is twice as much? Lmao, spend less money on games and more on education. Your argument sucks, run Rage, Crysis, Doom 4 on a PC from 05(360).

They said settings are around high quality if you were to set them on a PC, just look up Cryengine 3 interview about deving on consoles. Why should I care if I don't get extreme settings when I never have to upgrade just to keep up with visuals in the first place.

Beating the performance of a console years after the console came out......yea. Like I said, I get to keep money while my games look better all the time.

DX10, Crysis sure looks a lot different on Very High DX9-10.....

 

[helldog3105]

I meant to say "7 is more than 3!!!" My apologies.

 

[ryokinshin]

@shrex we can agree, he was a moron.

 

[shrex]

well you had to wait years for crysis to go to console