Digital Cameras - instant on?

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The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?

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Toby <google@asktoby.com> writes:

> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?

If you are going in situations where you might use the camera, consider using
an external battery like the DPS-9000 that Ritz/Wolf sells (or sold in the
past). Because it mimics an AC adpator, most cameras don't go to sleep. I
find I get about 4 hours or so of continous use on my Olympus C-2100UZ. I
really like carrying the camera in my hand, bringing it up to eye level,
shooting, and then putting it back down, often before the subjects realize I've
taken their pictures.

I would imagine many newer cameras are faster than the Coolpix 775. But the
ones with really fast turn on times might give you sticker shock when coming
from a 775 (ie, Canon 20D).

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Toby wrote:
> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>
My Nikon D70 is yes.
 
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So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
"Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Toby wrote:
> > The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> > when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
> >
> My Nikon D70 is yes.
 

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On 2004-12-07, Michael Meissner <mrmnews@the-meissners.org> wrote:
> Toby <google@asktoby.com> writes:
>
>> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
>> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>
> If you are going in situations where you might use the camera, consider using
> an external battery like the DPS-9000 that Ritz/Wolf sells (or sold in the
> past). Because it mimics an AC adpator, most cameras don't go to sleep. I
> find I get about 4 hours or so of continous use on my Olympus C-2100UZ. I
> really like carrying the camera in my hand, bringing it up to eye level,
> shooting, and then putting it back down, often before the subjects realize I've
> taken their pictures.
>
> I would imagine many newer cameras are faster than the Coolpix 775. But the
> ones with really fast turn on times might give you sticker shock when coming
> from a 775 (ie, Canon 20D).
>

Thinking further, there's another 0.5sec delay from pressing the shutter and
waiting for the autofocus to do it's thing. I guess that is also reduced
these days?

And what's sticker shock? :)

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In message <slrncrbcq8.qov.google@ID-171443.user.uni-berlin.de>, Toby
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>On 2004-12-07, Michael Meissner <mrmnews@the-meissners.org> wrote:
>And what's sticker shock? :)
>
(Price) Sticker shock?

Although this looks like its down to 3 figures!
(If you can do without the lens!)
<<http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=99298&r=DE
AL>>
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Toby wrote:
> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the
> delay when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?

At this time I believe you are going to need to go to a dSLR to get a
fast on. The new Canon and Nikon certainly have effectively instant on.

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Toby <google@asktoby.com> writes:

> On 2004-12-07, Michael Meissner <mrmnews@the-meissners.org> wrote:
> > Toby <google@asktoby.com> writes:
> >
> >> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> >> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
> >
> > If you are going in situations where you might use the camera, consider using
> > an external battery like the DPS-9000 that Ritz/Wolf sells (or sold in the
> > past). Because it mimics an AC adpator, most cameras don't go to sleep. I
> > find I get about 4 hours or so of continous use on my Olympus C-2100UZ. I
> > really like carrying the camera in my hand, bringing it up to eye level,
> > shooting, and then putting it back down, often before the subjects realize I've
> > taken their pictures.
> >
> > I would imagine many newer cameras are faster than the Coolpix 775. But the
> > ones with really fast turn on times might give you sticker shock when coming
> > from a 775 (ie, Canon 20D).
> >
>
> Thinking further, there's another 0.5sec delay from pressing the shutter and
> waiting for the autofocus to do it's thing. I guess that is also reduced
> these days?

Some cameras are faster than before, but to get reasonably fast autofocus times
you need to go to a DSLR and a good lens. To get really fast autofocus times
you need to go to a pro level DSLR (Canon 1D mark 2/1Ds mark 2, Nikon D2H/D2X,
etc.) and a pro lens.

> And what's sticker shock? :)

I assume you already know the answer, but in case you don't, a Canon 20D sells
for $1,499.95 without any lenses or memory cards. I think a Canon 1D mark2
goes for $4,499.95 body only, and a 1Ds mark 2 is around $8,000 body only.
Quality lenses will often times cost more than the camera body.

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:40 GMT, "turbo" <turbo@nospam.yahoo.co.uk>
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>So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
>"Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> Toby wrote:
>> > The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
>> > when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>> >
>> My Nikon D70 is yes.
>

The D70 is fully on faster than you can put it to your eye. With focus
locked, shutter lag is 0.12 secs which is almost identical to Nikon's
Film-based N80 SLR (I've seen quoted as 0.13 secs), but they feel the
same to me.

Of course, the D70 beats the N80 in FPS and film-rewind speeds, in
particular the D70 is silent whilst rewinding the film, the N80
however gets generates stares at those funerals.

:)

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"Owamanga" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:40 GMT, "turbo" <turbo@nospam.yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
>>"Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:BDgtd.29922$Rf1.1141@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Toby wrote:
>>> > The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the
>>> > delay
>>> > when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>>> >
>>> My Nikon D70 is yes.
>>
>
> The D70 is fully on faster than you can put it to your eye. With focus
> locked, shutter lag is 0.12 secs which is almost identical to Nikon's
> Film-based N80 SLR (I've seen quoted as 0.13 secs), but they feel the
> same to me.
>
> Of course, the D70 beats the N80 in FPS and film-rewind speeds, in
> particular the D70 is silent whilst rewinding the film, the N80
> however gets generates stares at those funerals.
>
> :)
>
> --
> Owamanga!

Same with the 20D, it's on before I can access the "Menu" button, not to
mention frame a shot and fire.
I doubt that anyone could feel the difference of .01 sec.

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The 20D is essentially: Something like 0.2 sec from turnon to first
shot. Faster than I can compose the shot.

Phil

Toby wrote:

> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
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"Toby" <google@asktoby.com> wrote in message
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> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>

On-time is in direct relationship to cost.
 

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In article <p1fbr0hq2h69nr6gfgijr7vdmgbtntbgrs@4ax.com>, nomail@hotmail.com
says...
>
>On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:40 GMT, "turbo" <turbo@nospam.yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
>>"Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:BDgtd.29922$Rf1.1141@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Toby wrote:
>>> > The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
>>> > when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>>> >
>>> My Nikon D70 is yes.
>>
>
>The D70 is fully on faster than you can put it to your eye. With focus
>locked, shutter lag is 0.12 secs which is almost identical to Nikon's
>Film-based N80 SLR (I've seen quoted as 0.13 secs), but they feel the
>same to me.
>
>Of course, the D70 beats the N80 in FPS and film-rewind speeds, in
>particular the D70 is silent whilst rewinding the film, the N80
>however gets generates stares at those funerals.
>
>:)
>
>--
>Owamanga!

Yes, quick AND silent in re-wind mode. I don't know how they do it, as my F4's
always make a bunch of "whir-r-rs," though not as loud as my F2's did. AND,
the D-70 shoves all that film into those tiny little CF thingies!!!! How does
it do that? :-}

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Fi Nishing wrote:
> "Toby" <google@asktoby.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the
>> delay when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>>
>
> On-time is in direct relationship to cost.

Not really, it depends what needs to be done at startup.

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In article <slrncrb4oi.pfi.google@ID-171443.user.uni-berlin.de>,
google@asktoby.com says...
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>
> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
> when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>
>
A Konica-Minolta G530 :

On : 0.8 sec
autofocus : 0.25 sec
shutterlag after autofocus : 0.03 sec

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David Greenhough wrote:
> In message <slrncrbcq8.qov.google@ID-171443.user.uni-berlin.de>, Toby
> <google@asktoby.com> writes
>> On 2004-12-07, Michael Meissner <mrmnews@the-meissners.org> wrote:
>> And what's sticker shock? :)
>>
> (Price) Sticker shock?
>
> Although this looks like its down to 3 figures!
> (If you can do without the lens!)

I don't know - tried finding a glass Coca Cola bottle lately? ;^)
 
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
> Toby wrote:
>> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the
>> delay when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>
> At this time I believe you are going to need to go to a dSLR to
> get a fast on. The new Canon and Nikon certainly have effectively
> instant on.

Same for my Maxxum 7D - it's ready before I am.
 
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Hunt wrote:
> In article <p1fbr0hq2h69nr6gfgijr7vdmgbtntbgrs@4ax.com>,
> nomail@hotmail.com says...
>>
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:40 GMT, "turbo" <turbo@nospam.yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
>>> "Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:BDgtd.29922$Rf1.1141@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> Toby wrote:
>>>>> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is
>>>>> the delay when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>>>>>
>>>> My Nikon D70 is yes.
>>>
>>
>> The D70 is fully on faster than you can put it to your eye. With
>> focus locked, shutter lag is 0.12 secs which is almost identical to
>> Nikon's Film-based N80 SLR (I've seen quoted as 0.13 secs), but they
>> feel the same to me.
>>
>> Of course, the D70 beats the N80 in FPS and film-rewind speeds, in
>> particular the D70 is silent whilst rewinding the film, the N80
>> however gets generates stares at those funerals.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> --
>> Owamanga!
>
> Yes, quick AND silent in re-wind mode. I don't know how they do it,
> as my F4's always make a bunch of "whir-r-rs," though not as loud as
> my F2's did. AND, the D-70 shoves all that film into those tiny
> little CF thingies!!!! How does it do that? :-}
>
> Hunt

Yeah! And why is it - in spite of me collecting all that light in a
long day's shooting - the cameras just seem to get heavier and heavier?
;^)

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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 02:09:49 -0800, "Bob Harrington"
<rch.NOS-PAM@blarg.net> wrote:

>Hunt wrote:
>> In article <p1fbr0hq2h69nr6gfgijr7vdmgbtntbgrs@4ax.com>,
>> nomail@hotmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:23:40 GMT, "turbo" <turbo@nospam.yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So is the 20D in all practicality-- must be about 1/5 second ...
>>>> "Himm" <johnhimm@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:BDgtd.29922$Rf1.1141@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>> Toby wrote:
>>>>>> The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is
>>>>>> the delay when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>> My Nikon D70 is yes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The D70 is fully on faster than you can put it to your eye. With
>>> focus locked, shutter lag is 0.12 secs which is almost identical to
>>> Nikon's Film-based N80 SLR (I've seen quoted as 0.13 secs), but they
>>> feel the same to me.
>>>
>>> Of course, the D70 beats the N80 in FPS and film-rewind speeds, in
>>> particular the D70 is silent whilst rewinding the film, the N80
>>> however gets generates stares at those funerals.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Owamanga!
>>
>> Yes, quick AND silent in re-wind mode. I don't know how they do it,
>> as my F4's always make a bunch of "whir-r-rs," though not as loud as
>> my F2's did. AND, the D-70 shoves all that film into those tiny
>> little CF thingies!!!! How does it do that? :-}
>>
>> Hunt
>
>Yeah! And why is it - in spite of me collecting all that light in a
>long day's shooting - the cameras just seem to get heavier and heavier?
>;^)
>
>Bob ^,,^
>
Cameras are like dark bulbs (some insist on calling them light bulbs -
go figure) in this respect. Darkness has mass, and as the camera
collects the dark, it gets heavier.
But you knew that! :)

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Archived from Toby <google@asktoby.com> on Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:25:06 +0000:

>
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>The worst thing about my digital camera (Nikon Coolpix 775) is the delay
>when you turn it on. Are digital cameras instant-on yet?

Some are. Like my D2H.

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