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For people in NYC, what receiver do you use and how many DTV
channels do you get off-the-air?

To be more precise, I live at the top floor of a four-story
apartment building in Woodside, Queens. But no view of
Manhattan is in sight at my window. How many DTV channel am
I likely to get?
 
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"lazy smurf" <smurf@mushroomland.nature> wrote in message
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> For people in NYC, what receiver do you use and how many DTV
> channels do you get off-the-air?
>
> To be more precise, I live at the top floor of a four-story
> apartment building in Woodside, Queens. But no view of
> Manhattan is in sight at my window. How many DTV channel am
> I likely to get?
Unless you are blocked by hills or tall buildings, you should be able to
receive all the NYC DTV channels.
 
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:23:26 -0400, "Blue Cat"
<bluecat22@go.com> wrote:

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>"lazy smurf" <smurf@mushroomland.nature> wrote in message
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>> For people in NYC, what receiver do you use and how many DTV
>> channels do you get off-the-air?
>>
>> To be more precise, I live at the top floor of a four-story
>> apartment building in Woodside, Queens. But no view of
>> Manhattan is in sight at my window. How many DTV channel am
>> I likely to get?
>Unless you are blocked by hills or tall buildings, you should be able to
>receive all the NYC DTV channels.
>
How many is that?
 
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lazy smurf wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:23:26 -0400, "Blue Cat"
> <bluecat22@go.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"lazy smurf" <smurf@mushroomland.nature> wrote in message
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>>
>>>For people in NYC, what receiver do you use and how many DTV
>>>channels do you get off-the-air?
>>>
>>>To be more precise, I live at the top floor of a four-story
>>>apartment building in Woodside, Queens. But no view of
>>>Manhattan is in sight at my window. How many DTV channel am
>>>I likely to get?
>>
>>Unless you are blocked by hills or tall buildings, you should be able to
>>receive all the NYC DTV channels.
>>
>
> How many is that?

90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.

Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
people have perfect line of sight.

None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.

It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
multipath.

Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on
the off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company
using their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG
itself has decided not to make such receivers.

8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.

Bob Miller
 
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:49:19 GMT, Bob Miller
<robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> How many is that?
>
>90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
>buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
>issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
>least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.
>
>Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
>by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
>walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
>St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
>hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
>your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
>people have perfect line of sight.
>
>None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
>is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.
>
>It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
>and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
>more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
>perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
>multipath.
>
>Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on
>the off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company
>using their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG
>itself has decided not to make such receivers.
>
>8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.
>
>Bob Miller

Can't wait for your test result. I wish they can send me
something free to test out.

Anyway, are MyHD MDP-130, FusionHDTV5 Gold QAM and ATI HDTV
Wonder 8-VSB or COFDM?
 
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lazy smurf wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:49:19 GMT, Bob Miller
> <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>How many is that?
>>
>>90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
>>buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
>>issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
>>least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.
>>
>>Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
>>by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
>>walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
>>St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
>>hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
>>your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
>>people have perfect line of sight.
>>
>>None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
>>is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.
>>
>>It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
>>and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
>>more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
>>perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
>>multipath.
>>
>>Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on
>>the off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company
>>using their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG
>>itself has decided not to make such receivers.
>>
>>8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.
>>
>>Bob Miller
>
>
> Can't wait for your test result. I wish they can send me
> something free to test out.
>
> Anyway, are MyHD MDP-130, FusionHDTV5 Gold QAM and ATI HDTV
> Wonder 8-VSB or COFDM?
>
COFDM is not allowed on US channels 2 to 69 unless an entity has bought
a channel above 51 and has no interference issues with current
broadcasters who are still using them. Qualcomm is the only entity that
qualifies and now has a national license for Channel 55. They will use
their own version of COFDM.

So all your cards are 8-VSB not COFDM. Once the auction about to be set
by Congress for April of 2008 takes place you will see more such
broadcasters emerge using COFDM and there will be a plethora of devices
of all kinds that will descend on the US from the rest of the world.
Since these new age broadcasters can use COFDM they may use the Chinese,
Japanese, European or even a new version not yet created. Anything will
be far superior to 8-VSB.

8-VSB has been rammed down our throats by a Congress without a clue
(still being confirmed in recent hearings) and special interest that
will tell them whatever they want to hear and able to change the tune in
mid sentence if necessary.

Bob Miller
 

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"Bob Miller" <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> lazy smurf wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:49:19 GMT, Bob Miller
>> <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>How many is that?
>>>
>>>90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
>>>buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
>>>issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
>>>least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.
>>>
>>>Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
>>>by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
>>>walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
>>>St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
>>>hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
>>>your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
>>>people have perfect line of sight.
>>>
>>>None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
>>>is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.
>>>
>>>It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
>>>and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
>>>more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
>>>perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
>>>multipath.
>>>
>>>Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on the
>>>off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company using
>>>their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG itself
>>>has decided not to make such receivers.
>>>
>>>8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.
>>>
>>>Bob Miller
>>
>>
>> Can't wait for your test result. I wish they can send me
>> something free to test out.
>>
>> Anyway, are MyHD MDP-130, FusionHDTV5 Gold QAM and ATI HDTV
>> Wonder 8-VSB or COFDM?
>>
> COFDM is not allowed on US channels 2 to 69 unless an entity has bought a
> channel above 51 and has no interference issues with current broadcasters
> who are still using them. Qualcomm is the only entity that qualifies and
> now has a national license for Channel 55. They will use their own version
> of COFDM.
>
> So all your cards are 8-VSB not COFDM. Once the auction about to be set by
> Congress for April of 2008 takes place you will see more such broadcasters
> emerge using COFDM and there will be a plethora of devices of all kinds
> that will descend on the US from the rest of the world. Since these new
> age broadcasters can use COFDM they may use the Chinese, Japanese,
> European or even a new version not yet created. Anything will be far
> superior to 8-VSB.
>
> 8-VSB has been rammed down our throats by a Congress without a clue (still
> being confirmed in recent hearings) and special interest that will tell
> them whatever they want to hear and able to change the tune in mid
> sentence if necessary.
>
> Bob Miller
plans

Damn shame you didn't get rich with your CFDUM datacasting contrivance,
isn't it?
 
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:40:15 GMT, Bob Miller
<robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:

>lazy smurf wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:49:19 GMT, Bob Miller
>> <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>How many is that?
>>>
>>>90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
>>>buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
>>>issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
>>>least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.
>>>
>>>Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
>>>by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
>>>walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
>>>St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
>>>hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
>>>your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
>>>people have perfect line of sight.
>>>
>>>None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
>>>is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.
>>>
>>>It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
>>>and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
>>>more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
>>>perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
>>>multipath.
>>>
>>>Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on
>>>the off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company
>>>using their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG
>>>itself has decided not to make such receivers.
>>>
>>>8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.
>>>
>>>Bob Miller
>>
>>
>> Can't wait for your test result. I wish they can send me
>> something free to test out.
>>
>> Anyway, are MyHD MDP-130, FusionHDTV5 Gold QAM and ATI HDTV
>> Wonder 8-VSB or COFDM?
>>
>COFDM is not allowed on US channels 2 to 69 unless an entity has bought
>a channel above 51 and has no interference issues with current
>broadcasters who are still using them. Qualcomm is the only entity that
>qualifies and now has a national license for Channel 55. They will use
>their own version of COFDM.
>
>So all your cards are 8-VSB not COFDM. Once the auction about to be set
>by Congress for April of 2008 takes place you will see more such
>broadcasters emerge using COFDM and there will be a plethora of devices
>of all kinds that will descend on the US from the rest of the world.
>Since these new age broadcasters can use COFDM they may use the Chinese,
>Japanese, European or even a new version not yet created. Anything will
>be far superior to 8-VSB.
>
>8-VSB has been rammed down our throats by a Congress without a clue
>(still being confirmed in recent hearings) and special interest that
>will tell them whatever they want to hear and able to change the tune in
>mid sentence if necessary.
>
>Bob Miller

Poor Americans. US is getting worse and worse in many
things.
 
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lazy smurf wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:40:15 GMT, Bob Miller
> <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>lazy smurf wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:49:19 GMT, Bob Miller
>>><robmx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>How many is that?
>>>>
>>>>90% of people in NYC are blocked by high buildings. Or I should say
>>>>buildings. They do not have to be high to block. And block is not the
>>>>issue. You should be able to receive DTV even without line of sight. At
>>>>least that is what most of the world is doing with COFDM.
>>>>
>>>>Line of sight is NOT a requirement of broadcast DTV. 8-VSB is challenged
>>>>by multipath and that can come from a plane or a waving tree, your dog
>>>>walking across the room or a bus going by four stories down on W. 72nd
>>>>St. That is dynamic multipath. It can a also be caused by buildings and
>>>>hills that are NOT in the line of sight but which reflect the signal to
>>>>your antenna out of phase. That is static multipath and it occures where
>>>>people have perfect line of sight.
>>>>
>>>>None of this is a problem with COFDM, we should have COFDM in the US. It
>>>>is ridiculous that we are still playing around with 8-VSB. Insane.
>>>>
>>>>It is now a year since we tested a minimally decent LG 5th gen receiver
>>>>and I have still been unable to get a duplicate from anyone. This is now
>>>>more than SEVEN years since we tested COFDM receivers in NYC that worked
>>>>perfectly mobile or fixed anywhere in the coverage area regardless of
>>>>multipath.
>>>>
>>>>Again tonight I am testing a new receiver that was sent from Korea on
>>>>the off chance that someone at LG felt the urge to tell the company
>>>>using their 5th gen chip how to make it work mimally well. This after LG
>>>>itself has decided not to make such receivers.
>>>>
>>>>8-VSB should be thown out like the garbage it is.
>>>>
>>>>Bob Miller
>>>
>>>
>>>Can't wait for your test result. I wish they can send me
>>>something free to test out.
>>>
>>>Anyway, are MyHD MDP-130, FusionHDTV5 Gold QAM and ATI HDTV
>>>Wonder 8-VSB or COFDM?
>>>
>>
>>COFDM is not allowed on US channels 2 to 69 unless an entity has bought
>>a channel above 51 and has no interference issues with current
>>broadcasters who are still using them. Qualcomm is the only entity that
>>qualifies and now has a national license for Channel 55. They will use
>>their own version of COFDM.
>>
>>So all your cards are 8-VSB not COFDM. Once the auction about to be set
>>by Congress for April of 2008 takes place you will see more such
>>broadcasters emerge using COFDM and there will be a plethora of devices
>>of all kinds that will descend on the US from the rest of the world.
>>Since these new age broadcasters can use COFDM they may use the Chinese,
>>Japanese, European or even a new version not yet created. Anything will
>>be far superior to 8-VSB.
>>
>>8-VSB has been rammed down our throats by a Congress without a clue
>>(still being confirmed in recent hearings) and special interest that
>>will tell them whatever they want to hear and able to change the tune in
>>mid sentence if necessary.
>>
>>Bob Miller
>
>
> Poor Americans. US is getting worse and worse in many
> things.


No we are very good at a lot of things. For example COFDM was invented here.

It is our government that is the problem. They are almost completely
controlled by special interest. The interest of the citizen is not even
being considered. Congresspersons have to spend all their time raising
money so that they can pay broadcasters for ad time.

Everything is condensed into the short term. What do I have to do today
to raise money for the next election. Their staffers do all the research
and in affect make policy for most items. Any Congressman can only be
personally involved with a few topics. The rest is dictated to him by
party demands and staffer input.

Not much hope of breaking this cycle. This is where a command economy
like China's can walk all over us. No messy democracy there. They are
now our bankers. Feeding us with cheap goods and loaning us back the
money so that our interest rates stay low and our houses go up and up in
price. Even Alan Greenspan is losing control of interest rates ( as if
he ever had any control). Alan can't figure why his raising short term
rates isn't affecting long term rates. Because China is now in control
Alan. Our future looks more like dancing to the dictates of a feuding
Asian threesome, S. Korea, Japan and China with China being our main
banker/landlord.

The next trillion dollar war the Republicans want to fight they will
have to go begging to these guys for the money.

Bob Miller
 
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