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[citation][nom]fuc-k_ford[/nom]ATTN: Dipsh.its at the Ford Motor Company...The gasoline(or petrol, whatever your preference), will run out soon, companies with non-douchebag execs are working on electric cars(Ford is quite broke, r&d money is slim). Say what you will about the green-ness of the electricity that powers them, but gasolines days are definitely numbered. Ford refuses to make a vehicle for American markets that gets more than 30mpg, they'll create a big-a.ss hybrid SUV that gets 30mpg, but they are quite opposed to Americans getting a small, fuel-efficient vehicle(although Europeans can get a Fiesta). Own stock in oil companies much?[/citation]
[citation][nom]mavroxur[/nom]This is why US auto makers continue to fail. Instead of looking toward the future and spending money on R&D of alternative energy sources, we're reinventing ways to burn dinosaur juice. Let's take that money and...I dont know....invest it in battery or fuel cell technology research. It's like a company inventing a new and improved way to deliver a better picture on CRT monitors or something....[/citation]
And this shows how little people know about US auto makers. Such as the fact that Ford does have electric cars in testing or that they have a Fuel Cell Fusion that was able to hit 207MPH also in testing. They also have a Hydrogen based Focus being tested around the world too.
Ford also has the most efficient Hybrid mid sized sedan that also beats some compact Hybrids by pushing out a awesome 41MPG and 700 miles to the tank in city. Yes, the Fusion Hybrid.
Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.
Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.
But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.
Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name though
http
/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/?searchid=426441|32522973|210910854
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[citation][nom]mavroxur[/nom]This is why US auto makers continue to fail. Instead of looking toward the future and spending money on R&D of alternative energy sources, we're reinventing ways to burn dinosaur juice. Let's take that money and...I dont know....invest it in battery or fuel cell technology research. It's like a company inventing a new and improved way to deliver a better picture on CRT monitors or something....[/citation]
And this shows how little people know about US auto makers. Such as the fact that Ford does have electric cars in testing or that they have a Fuel Cell Fusion that was able to hit 207MPH also in testing. They also have a Hydrogen based Focus being tested around the world too.
Ford also has the most efficient Hybrid mid sized sedan that also beats some compact Hybrids by pushing out a awesome 41MPG and 700 miles to the tank in city. Yes, the Fusion Hybrid.
Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.
Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.
But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.
Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name though
http
/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/?searchid=426441|32522973|210910854NEEDS MORE RESEARCH!!!!
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Fuel is not running out. The world is currently sitting on a 100 year supply of oil, with more to be found. There's enough natural gas for 150 years supply. There's enough coal for 250 year's supply. Proven reserves are more substatial than the talking heads would have you believe.
We are in no danger of running out in the near term.
In 100 years we'll have perfected fission and won't need to pollute with fossil fuels anymore.
We are in no danger of running out in the near term.
In 100 years we'll have perfected fission and won't need to pollute with fossil fuels anymore.
I'm with seatrotter on this one... I'm wondering how they're going to keep the focusing lens clear of debris. Not saying that they can't do it but I've seen enough cylinder heads after a lot of miles to know that even a well operating engine will put down deposits that would interfere with beam transmission. Maybe some kind of cleaning cycle where they inject water or something to clean off deposits.
Lasers are getting pretty inexpensive... but I can't imagine that this system will be cheaper than a coil and wires... especially since it's going to have to have some sort of electro-optical distributor, and they tend to be hard to make.
Lasers are getting pretty inexpensive... but I can't imagine that this system will be cheaper than a coil and wires... especially since it's going to have to have some sort of electro-optical distributor, and they tend to be hard to make.
hillary: According to who? Fox news? OPEC says we have 30 years of oil left.
Jimmy: Ford has a long history of being all talk and hype, "plans" of fantastic vehicles don't mean anything, when it comes to Ford, if you can't test drive at the dealership, it didn't happen...
Jimmy: Ford has a long history of being all talk and hype, "plans" of fantastic vehicles don't mean anything, when it comes to Ford, if you can't test drive at the dealership, it didn't happen...
wiyosaya
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I would like to see their efficiency data on this. I have little doubt that from the standpoint of how much power the laser consumes compared to a spark plug that the laser is more efficient; however, in the long run (IMHO), that is unlikely to increase the efficiency of an ICE as a whole. Also, that they can get data back from the engine sounds like a good thing, but this will only pass the test if they end up burning the fuel with a significant increase in efficiency over conventional spark plugs. I.e., say that a spark plug actually burns 50% of the fuel injected into the chamber, then if the laser burns 95% of that fuel, that would seem like a meaningful increase in efficiency. That might happen as the power density at the focal point of the lens, i.e., the "spark", could easily exceed that in a purely electrical spark.
That said, I have to agree with other comments here, most of which seem to have gotten negative votes, that this makes little sense in the long term. It may stretch the life of fossil fuels somewhat, but it is still burning fossil fuels that will still pollute and still contribute to environmental problems.
IMHO, it is an example of why US automakers do so poorly. Again, IMHO, Ford would do much better if they were pouring significant amounts of research $$$ into ultracapacitor technology and extending the range of all electric cars.
However, Ford's marketing department probably loves the laser idea as it will add significant "bling" to what I consider the already ridiculous Ford commercials. It will be much cooler to own a vehicle with a laser ignition system than one with an "old fashioned" spark plug ignition system, and it most certainly will sell to people who are unaware that it will most likely be a sales pitch without offering any significant advantage other than less moving parts and, possibly, more reliability.
That said, I have to agree with other comments here, most of which seem to have gotten negative votes, that this makes little sense in the long term. It may stretch the life of fossil fuels somewhat, but it is still burning fossil fuels that will still pollute and still contribute to environmental problems.
IMHO, it is an example of why US automakers do so poorly. Again, IMHO, Ford would do much better if they were pouring significant amounts of research $$$ into ultracapacitor technology and extending the range of all electric cars.
However, Ford's marketing department probably loves the laser idea as it will add significant "bling" to what I consider the already ridiculous Ford commercials. It will be much cooler to own a vehicle with a laser ignition system than one with an "old fashioned" spark plug ignition system, and it most certainly will sell to people who are unaware that it will most likely be a sales pitch without offering any significant advantage other than less moving parts and, possibly, more reliability.
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[citation][nom]jimmysmitty[/nom]And this shows how little people know about US auto makers. Such as the fact that Ford does have electric cars in testing or that they have a Fuel Cell Fusion that was able to hit 207MPH also in testing.
[/citation]
Who, besides perhaps police, need to be able to go that fast? You are being sold a big bill of "bling" with this marketing crap.
[citation] They also have a Hydrogen based Focus being tested around the world too.Ford also has the most efficient Hybrid mid sized sedan that also beats some compact Hybrids by pushing out a awesome 41MPG and 700 miles to the tank in city. Yes, the Fusion Hybrid.[/citation]
Just where do you get these figures? People who care can get the real facts at http/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm I assume you must have unintentionally made a type.
[citation]
Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.
[/citation]
Even respected scientists now recognize that it takes significantly more energy to grow corn and turn it into ethanol than it does to just burn gasoline. Effectively, it is significantly more polluting than burning gas. Efficiency, remember? "Flex fuel" is more marketing crap that is meant to make you feel good and that it sounds like you have been sold on. "Hey, my car can burn flex fuel so it must be good." Well, my `94 Acura Integra that I no longer own could burn pure ethanol. There was one big problem, though. Unless I wanted to have a still and make my own ethanol, there were absolutely no sources for ethanol.
[citation]
Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name thoughhttp/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fi [...] |210910854NEEDS MORE RESEARCH!!!![/citation]
I suspect that it is more likely that you work for Ford's PR department and are attempting to control the fire with this post especially since you are quoting double the actual MPG figures for the Fusion lobryd.
[/citation]
Who, besides perhaps police, need to be able to go that fast? You are being sold a big bill of "bling" with this marketing crap.
[citation] They also have a Hydrogen based Focus being tested around the world too.Ford also has the most efficient Hybrid mid sized sedan that also beats some compact Hybrids by pushing out a awesome 41MPG and 700 miles to the tank in city. Yes, the Fusion Hybrid.[/citation]
Just where do you get these figures? People who care can get the real facts at http
/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm I assume you must have unintentionally made a type.[citation]
Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.
[/citation]
Even respected scientists now recognize that it takes significantly more energy to grow corn and turn it into ethanol than it does to just burn gasoline. Effectively, it is significantly more polluting than burning gas. Efficiency, remember? "Flex fuel" is more marketing crap that is meant to make you feel good and that it sounds like you have been sold on. "Hey, my car can burn flex fuel so it must be good." Well, my `94 Acura Integra that I no longer own could burn pure ethanol. There was one big problem, though. Unless I wanted to have a still and make my own ethanol, there were absolutely no sources for ethanol.
[citation]
Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name thoughhttp
/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fi [...] |210910854NEEDS MORE RESEARCH!!!![/citation]I suspect that it is more likely that you work for Ford's PR department and are attempting to control the fire with this post especially since you are quoting double the actual MPG figures for the Fusion lobryd.
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[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Who, besides perhaps police, need to be able to go that fast? You are being sold a big bill of "bling" with this marketing crap.[citation] They also have a Hydrogen based Focus being tested around the world too.Ford also has the most efficient Hybrid mid sized sedan that also beats some compact Hybrids by pushing out a awesome 41MPG and 700 miles to the tank in city. Yes, the Fusion Hybrid.[/citation]Just where do you get these figures? People who care can get the real facts at http/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm I assume you must have unintentionally made a type.[citation]Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.[/citation]Even respected scientists now recognize that it takes significantly more energy to grow corn and turn it into ethanol than it does to just burn gasoline. Effectively, it is significantly more polluting than burning gas. Efficiency, remember? "Flex fuel" is more marketing crap that is meant to make you feel good and that it sounds like you have been sold on. "Hey, my car can burn flex fuel so it must be good." Well, my `94 Acura Integra that I no longer own could burn pure ethanol. There was one big problem, though. Unless I wanted to have a still and make my own ethanol, there were absolutely no sources for ethanol.[citation]Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name thoughhttp/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fi [...] |210910854NEEDS MORE RESEARCH!!!![/citation]I suspect that it is more likely that you work for Ford's PR department and are attempting to control the fire with this post especially since you are quoting double the actual MPG figures for the Fusion lobryd.[/citation]
What the hell is wrong with you? Go to Ford's website, look at the Fusion Hybrid. It does get 41 mpg in the city.
/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm I assume you must have unintentionally made a type.[citation]Also almost every engine Ford has is now Flex Fuel capable meaning it can have up to 85% Ethonal and 15% gas or any combination of the two.[/citation]Even respected scientists now recognize that it takes significantly more energy to grow corn and turn it into ethanol than it does to just burn gasoline. Effectively, it is significantly more polluting than burning gas. Efficiency, remember? "Flex fuel" is more marketing crap that is meant to make you feel good and that it sounds like you have been sold on. "Hey, my car can burn flex fuel so it must be good." Well, my `94 Acura Integra that I no longer own could burn pure ethanol. There was one big problem, though. Unless I wanted to have a still and make my own ethanol, there were absolutely no sources for ethanol.[citation]Yes gas is the past but remmeber that it will also take more than a few years to get people completely off of it so why not create something that will make it more efficient when burning? If this can do that while taking less power yet burning the gas more efficiently and getting a better fuel to air ratio it will increase the MPG as well and thats not a bad thing for now.But still, its sad to see how little people know about the US auto makers. They have a lot of good cars and as well have a lot of prototypes and in testing cars.Oh and btw, yes we will get a Fiesta. It will have a different name thoughhttp/www.fordvehicles.com/2011fi [...] |210910854NEEDS MORE RESEARCH!!!![/citation]I suspect that it is more likely that you work for Ford's PR department and are attempting to control the fire with this post especially since you are quoting double the actual MPG figures for the Fusion lobryd.[/citation]What the hell is wrong with you? Go to Ford's website, look at the Fusion Hybrid. It does get 41 mpg in the city.
Summary: Ford motor company laser thingy something-or-other...
It is difficult to describe all of the scientific errors in just the first paragraph (where I stopped reading) "fiber-optic cable--powered by the car's battery" What's that? "an intense pinprick of light" I always thought light traveled in rays?? (unless you are talking about femtosecond pulses). Please, don't paraphrase scientific information if you don't have a scientific understanding of it.
It is difficult to describe all of the scientific errors in just the first paragraph (where I stopped reading) "fiber-optic cable--powered by the car's battery" What's that? "an intense pinprick of light" I always thought light traveled in rays?? (unless you are talking about femtosecond pulses). Please, don't paraphrase scientific information if you don't have a scientific understanding of it.
Though I wonder if the environment of the internals of a cylinder are a good place for a lens to be built?
I mean, first of all you'll get a bunch of explosions, where glass could break, and plastic would melt. Second of all, the exhaust inside cylinders over time clog cylinders with a layer of ash. That could reduce the effectiveness of an optical device.
There's always some form of smoke or damp inside a cylinder of a working motor; but add that to the problem I mentioned above, and you might get some nice christmas lights inside your cylinder, but nothing more.
I sure hope that those who plan on using this technology, will not be dissapointed driving their 25.000th mile on that engine.
I mean, first of all you'll get a bunch of explosions, where glass could break, and plastic would melt. Second of all, the exhaust inside cylinders over time clog cylinders with a layer of ash. That could reduce the effectiveness of an optical device.
There's always some form of smoke or damp inside a cylinder of a working motor; but add that to the problem I mentioned above, and you might get some nice christmas lights inside your cylinder, but nothing more.
I sure hope that those who plan on using this technology, will not be dissapointed driving their 25.000th mile on that engine.
[citation][nom]ProDigit80[/nom]Though I wonder if the environment of the internals of a cylinder are a good place for a lens to be built?I mean, first of all you'll get a bunch of explosions, where glass could break, and plastic would melt. Second of all, the exhaust inside cylinders over time clog cylinders with a layer of ash. That could reduce the effectiveness of an optical device.There's always some form of smoke or damp inside a cylinder of a working motor; but add that to the problem I mentioned above, and you might get some nice christmas lights inside your cylinder, but nothing more.I sure hope that those who plan on using this technology, will not be dissapointed driving their 25.000th mile on that engine.[/citation]
Ouch! I'll bet these problems never occurred the researchers. You may want to contact them directly and save them a lot of time.
Ouch! I'll bet these problems never occurred the researchers. You may want to contact them directly and save them a lot of time.
wiyosaya
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[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]Just where do you get these figures? People who care can get the real facts at http/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
What the hell is wrong with you? Go to Ford's website, look at the Fusion Hybrid. It does get 41 mpg in the city.[/citation]
LOL. I see, you are joking. Trust Ford. LOL
/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htmWhat the hell is wrong with you? Go to Ford's website, look at the Fusion Hybrid. It does get 41 mpg in the city.[/citation]
LOL. I see, you are joking. Trust Ford. LOL
[citation][nom]ProDigit80[/nom]Though I wonder if the environment of the internals of a cylinder are a good place for a lens to be built?I mean, first of all you'll get a bunch of explosions, where glass could break, and plastic would melt. Second of all, the exhaust inside cylinders over time clog cylinders with a layer of ash. That could reduce the effectiveness of an optical device.There's always some form of smoke or damp inside a cylinder of a working motor; but add that to the problem I mentioned above, and you might get some nice christmas lights inside your cylinder, but nothing more.I sure hope that those who plan on using this technology, will not be dissapointed driving their 25.000th mile on that engine.[/citation]
You obviously have little knowledge in this area, I have used a special spark plug with a clear glass insulator to tune carburetors by watching the color of the combustion. Some jet engines use OPTICAL sensors in the exhaust. Lab engines have widows to video the combustion cycle to improve efficiency for decades.
Modern ICEs are much cleaner burning engines and most pollution is created in the start up cycle. Hybrids cycle the engine on and off frequently and this could help them reduce start up emissions.
I seriously doubt if Ford would blow so much money if this wasn't a viable idea. Plugs wear out and I'm sure this will too. In contrary to the electric only crowd the ICE will not be going away anytime soon, economics.
You obviously have little knowledge in this area, I have used a special spark plug with a clear glass insulator to tune carburetors by watching the color of the combustion. Some jet engines use OPTICAL sensors in the exhaust. Lab engines have widows to video the combustion cycle to improve efficiency for decades.
Modern ICEs are much cleaner burning engines and most pollution is created in the start up cycle. Hybrids cycle the engine on and off frequently and this could help them reduce start up emissions.
I seriously doubt if Ford would blow so much money if this wasn't a viable idea. Plugs wear out and I'm sure this will too. In contrary to the electric only crowd the ICE will not be going away anytime soon, economics.
[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]LOL. I see, you are joking. Trust Ford. LOL[/citation]
Did you even look at the site? It's the US DOE site, not Ford's. The new MPG cycle they use was refined after Toyota was busted cheating on the old test with the Prius. They programed the computer to recognize the start of the EPA cycle and use up more battery power during the fixed cycle test. The new test is actually harder to get a high MPG since it is more realistic, though not perfect.
Your oblivious bias is really sad.
Did you even look at the site? It's the US DOE site, not Ford's. The new MPG cycle they use was refined after Toyota was busted cheating on the old test with the Prius. They programed the computer to recognize the start of the EPA cycle and use up more battery power during the fixed cycle test. The new test is actually harder to get a high MPG since it is more realistic, though not perfect.
Your oblivious bias is really sad.
http/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=2010&make=Ford&model=Fusion Hybrid FWD&hiddenField=Findacar
City 41
Combined 39
Hwy 36
Go to your nearest Ford dealer and test drive one for yourself.
/www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=2010&make=Ford&model=Fusion Hybrid FWD&hiddenField=FindacarCity 41
Combined 39
Hwy 36
Go to your nearest Ford dealer and test drive one for yourself.
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[citation][nom]hillarymakesmeh0rny[/nom]hillary: According to who? Fox news? OPEC says we have 30 years of oil left.Jimmy: Ford has a long history of being all talk and hype, "plans" of fantastic vehicles don't mean anything, when it comes to Ford, if you can't test drive at the dealership, it didn't happen...[/citation]
You do realize that OPEC has not adjusted their numbers for the world oil supply in about 30 years right? There have been trillions of barrels worth of oil found since then. Hell, we have found deposits in North America that have even more oil than all of the Middle East. Too bad the environmentalists would never let up enough to let us pull it out of the ground ourselves. And even then, because of those same environmentalists, we would not even be able to refine it ourselves because we haven't built any refineries in the last 30 years either.
You do realize that OPEC has not adjusted their numbers for the world oil supply in about 30 years right? There have been trillions of barrels worth of oil found since then. Hell, we have found deposits in North America that have even more oil than all of the Middle East. Too bad the environmentalists would never let up enough to let us pull it out of the ground ourselves. And even then, because of those same environmentalists, we would not even be able to refine it ourselves because we haven't built any refineries in the last 30 years either.
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[citation][nom]thejerk[/nom]we were both wrong, sorry... it was Saab in 1958. my b.and the rest of you people who are dinging my posts because you don't like reading the truth are pig fuckers.[/citation]
LOL.
I've never seen a post this riddled with people downrated to oblivion.
LOL.
I've never seen a post this riddled with people downrated to oblivion.
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