Harmony 880 / HiDef Tivo: any discrete code for 1080i vs 4..

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"SINNER" <arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote in message
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>* Z Man Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> On my TV, a Sony KP-61HS10, my HiDef Tivo must be connected to
>> Video5 in order to get 1080i reception. In order to simply watch
>> TV, with no other components involved, one must set the Tivo to
>> 480i and use Video1. According to Mr. Rife, the resident expert in
>> this venue, there is no discrete code for 1080i vs 480i. If I
>> forget to set the Tivo to 480i when I am done watching,. the
>> Harmony's "Watch TV" sequence, which turns on the TV and makes
>> sure every other component is turned off, will have the TV
>> displaying nothing, because it cannot display 1080i on Video1. I
>> do my 1080i/480p switching (on Video5) through my receiver.
>> Evidently, the only solution is for me to remember to set the TV
>> to 480i when I am done watching.
>
> Why cant you create ANOTHER activty called "Wife TV" and set the
> components up they way she likes them in THAT activity?

You missed the beginning of the thread. I already have a setting for "Watch
TV" that utilizes only the TV. I was looking for a discrete code for 480i
vs. 1080i. See how these discussion go off topic soooo easily ?? If this was
a moderated group, we would all be in a heap of trouble.

 

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Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> What makes you think it's my wife? I just said another person in my
> household.

You said "she", and if it isn't your wife, then you'd be able to impose
some "royal decrees" and not have to worry about her not liking to use the
receiver.

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Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> writes:

> Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > What makes you think it's my wife? I just said another person in my
> > household.
>
> You said "she", and if it isn't your wife, then you'd be able to impose
> some "royal decrees" and not have to worry about her not liking to use the
> receiver.

Unless it's the mother-in-law...

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Richard Kaszeta (rich@kaszeta.org) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > You said "she", and if it isn't your wife, then you'd be able to impose
> > some "royal decrees" and not have to worry about her not liking to use the
> > receiver.
>
> Unless it's the mother-in-law...

True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
problems.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Richard Kaszeta (rich@kaszeta.org) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > You said "she", and if it isn't your wife, then you'd be able to impose
>> > some "royal decrees" and not have to worry about her not liking to use
>> > the
>> > receiver.
>>
>> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
>
> True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
> problems.

You guys are being very mean

 

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Who said we are all guys? There could be some women using guys names as a
cover ...........
"Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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>> Richard Kaszeta (rich@kaszeta.org) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>> > You said "she", and if it isn't your wife, then you'd be able to
>>> > impose
>>> > some "royal decrees" and not have to worry about her not liking to use
>>> > the
>>> > receiver.
>>>
>>> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
>>
>> True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
>> problems.
>
> You guys are being very mean
>

 

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Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
> >
> > True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
> > problems.
>
> You guys are being very mean

We might just know your situation from experience, and are merely sharing
our pain.

Seriously, my wife would not deal with multiple remotes, but once I set
it up so that one button picked a "task" (like watching the TiVo, or
listening to CDs, or watching DVDs), she has no problems with it. She
doesn't care *how* it works, as long as it does.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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>Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> >> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
>> >
>> > True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
>> > problems.
>>
>> You guys are being very mean
>
> We might just know your situation from experience, and are merely sharing
> our pain.
>
> Seriously, my wife would not deal with multiple remotes, but once I set
> it up so that one button picked a "task" (like watching the TiVo, or
> listening to CDs, or watching DVDs), she has no problems with it. She
> doesn't care *how* it works, as long as it does.

That's exactly what I was trying to do, but the lack of a discrete 480i code
was a problem. Since I started this discussion, I seemed to have trained
myself to press the up arrow, setting the Tivo back to 480i, when I am done
watching TV. However, another 'discrete code' issue has come up. After SHE
finishes watching TV, she leaves the TV set volume up. Thus, when I want to
watch, I have to first "Watch TV", reduce the volume to nil, then "Watch
Tivo". I could use a discrete code to set the volume to zero. I cannot find
such a code, which I certainly don't find surprising. Mute doesn't help,
since the work 'Mute' appears on the TV screen. On the plus side of things,
at least with the Harmony 880 I need use only one remote. As you may have
surmised, SHE also uses only one remote, but for her, it is the remote that
came with the Tivo Thus, jointly, I am still keeping two remotes in
service. Clear?

 

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"Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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>>Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>> >> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
>>> >
>>> > True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of his
>>> > problems.
>>>
>>> You guys are being very mean
>>
>> We might just know your situation from experience, and are merely sharing
>> our pain.
>>
>> Seriously, my wife would not deal with multiple remotes, but once I set
>> it up so that one button picked a "task" (like watching the TiVo, or
>> listening to CDs, or watching DVDs), she has no problems with it. She
>> doesn't care *how* it works, as long as it does.
>
> That's exactly what I was trying to do, but the lack of a discrete 480i
> code was a problem. Since I started this discussion, I seemed to have
> trained myself to press the up arrow, setting the Tivo back to 480i, when
> I am done watching TV. However, another 'discrete code' issue has come up.
> After SHE finishes watching TV, she leaves the TV set volume up. Thus,
> when I want to watch, I have to first "Watch TV", reduce the volume to
> nil, then "Watch Tivo". I could use a discrete code to set the volume to
> zero. I cannot find such a code, which I certainly don't find surprising.
> Mute doesn't help, since the work 'Mute' appears on the TV screen. On the
> plus side of things, at least with the Harmony 880 I need use only one
> remote. As you may have surmised, SHE also uses only one remote, but for
> her, it is the remote that came with the Tivo Thus, jointly, I am still
> keeping two remotes in service. Clear?
>

So there is your problem in a nutshell!

Reprogram the Harmony to make Watch TV the same as Watch TiVo and remove
Watch TiVo from the menu.

Now, take the TiVo remote to the kitchen, put it in the oven and run the
clean cycle. (or you can use the blender, the dishwasher, the car or the
dog to achieve the same end result).

Now, SHE will need to use the Harmony and get to enjoy 1080i and surround
sound.

Seriously, for the Harmony to work well, it is important for it to be the
only remote, otherwise it can get confused.

 

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> Seriously, for the Harmony to work well, it is important for it to be the
> only remote, otherwise it can get confused.

That point should be reemphasized!

For non-discrete codes the Harmony remote attempts to keep track of your
system's state by remembering which keys were pressed before. It will
assume that your system's state is where it was when the harmony remote
was used last. It has no way of knowing if another remote has been used
to change any settings, or if you changed something manually (like
turning off a component with it's own power switch). Doing anything
like that will get the Harmony out of sync (unless you are incredibly
lucky and have a discrete code for *everything, which is highly unlikely).

The solution is to use the Harmony for *everything*. Toss all your
other remotes in a box somewhere, and don't tell anyone else where they
are. If you can do that, you shouldn't *need* a discrete code for 480i
or 1080i or anything else, though it is nicer if you do.

Randy S.

 

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>For non-discrete codes the Harmony remote attempts to keep track of your
>system's state by remembering which keys were pressed before. It will
>assume that your system's state is where it was when the harmony remote
>was used last. It has no way of knowing if another remote has been used
>to change any settings, or if you changed something manually (like
>turning off a component with it's own power switch). Doing anything
>like that will get the Harmony out of sync (unless you are incredibly
>lucky and have a discrete code for *everything, which is highly unlikely).

A remote will also get out of sync if a device doesn't respond to
the code that was sent. This can happen if, for example, you point
the remote at the approximate center of a whole wall full of
electronic stuff, but one of the devices doesn't see the command
it was supposed to get for any number of excuses: your butt was
covering the whole remote, while at the same time instructing it
to send commands, the remote was pointed in a slightly wrong
direction, your mother-in-law was blocking the infrared, the remote
battery is getting a little weak, something (like another remote
for a completely different device being sat on by the kid, or perhaps
direct sunlight) is jamming the signal, etc. I have also run into
problems where a device is slow and won't respond to another (manual)
command immediately after a previous one.

>The solution is to use the Harmony for *everything*. Toss all your
>other remotes in a box somewhere, and don't tell anyone else where they
>are. If you can do that, you shouldn't *need* a discrete code for 480i
>or 1080i or anything else, though it is nicer if you do.

The more discrete codes you can use, the more likely it will sync
back up after a command gets missed.

Gordon L. Burditt

 

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> A remote will also get out of sync if a device doesn't respond to
> the code that was sent. This can happen if, for example, you point
> the remote at the approximate center of a whole wall full of
> electronic stuff, but one of the devices doesn't see the command
> it was supposed to get for any number of excuses: your butt was
> covering the whole remote, while at the same time instructing it
> to send commands, the remote was pointed in a slightly wrong
> direction, your mother-in-law was blocking the infrared, the remote
> battery is getting a little weak, something (like another remote
> for a completely different device being sat on by the kid, or perhaps
> direct sunlight) is jamming the signal, etc. I have also run into
> problems where a device is slow and won't respond to another (manual)
> command immediately after a previous one.

Right, I didn't mean to imply that using other remotes was the *only*
way that a Harmony remote could get out of sync. But in this instance,
I think that it's specifically applicable, since others in his house are
using other remotes.

Randy S.

 

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"Fred Bloggs" <SPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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>>>Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>>> >> Unless it's the mother-in-law...
>>>> >
>>>> > True, but if that's the case, the remote/TV/stereo is the least of
>>>> > his
>>>> > problems.
>>>>
>>>> You guys are being very mean
>>>
>>> We might just know your situation from experience, and are merely
>>> sharing
>>> our pain.
>>>
>>> Seriously, my wife would not deal with multiple remotes, but once I set
>>> it up so that one button picked a "task" (like watching the TiVo, or
>>> listening to CDs, or watching DVDs), she has no problems with it. She
>>> doesn't care *how* it works, as long as it does.
>>
>> That's exactly what I was trying to do, but the lack of a discrete 480i
>> code was a problem. Since I started this discussion, I seemed to have
>> trained myself to press the up arrow, setting the Tivo back to 480i, when
>> I am done watching TV. However, another 'discrete code' issue has come
>> up. After SHE finishes watching TV, she leaves the TV set volume up.
>> Thus, when I want to watch, I have to first "Watch TV", reduce the volume
>> to nil, then "Watch Tivo". I could use a discrete code to set the volume
>> to zero. I cannot find such a code, which I certainly don't find
>> surprising. Mute doesn't help, since the work 'Mute' appears on the TV
>> screen. On the plus side of things, at least with the Harmony 880 I need
>> use only one remote. As you may have surmised, SHE also uses only one
>> remote, but for her, it is the remote that came with the Tivo Thus,
>> jointly, I am still keeping two remotes in service. Clear?
>>
>
> So there is your problem in a nutshell!
>
> Reprogram the Harmony to make Watch TV the same as Watch TiVo and remove
> Watch TiVo from the menu.
>
> Now, take the TiVo remote to the kitchen, put it in the oven and run the
> clean cycle. (or you can use the blender, the dishwasher, the car or the
> dog to achieve the same end result).
>
> Now, SHE will need to use the Harmony and get to enjoy 1080i and surround
> sound.
>
> Seriously, for the Harmony to work well, it is important for it to be the
> only remote, otherwise it can get confused.

That is actually very confusing. The Harmony is certainly not confused, it
is quite clear on all these sundry issues. It is the rest of us that are
unanimously confused.

 

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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>> A remote will also get out of sync if a device doesn't respond to
>> the code that was sent. This can happen if, for example, you point
>> the remote at the approximate center of a whole wall full of
>> electronic stuff, but one of the devices doesn't see the command
>> it was supposed to get for any number of excuses: your butt was
>> covering the whole remote, while at the same time instructing it
>> to send commands, the remote was pointed in a slightly wrong
>> direction, your mother-in-law was blocking the infrared, the remote
>> battery is getting a little weak, something (like another remote
>> for a completely different device being sat on by the kid, or perhaps
>> direct sunlight) is jamming the signal, etc. I have also run into
>> problems where a device is slow and won't respond to another (manual)
>> command immediately after a previous one.
>
> Right, I didn't mean to imply that using other remotes was the *only* way
> that a Harmony remote could get out of sync. But in this instance, I
> think that it's specifically applicable, since others in his house are
> using other remotes.

Thus far everything seems to be working OK with two remotes, but if you are
correct, I am basically screwed.

 

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>>Right, I didn't mean to imply that using other remotes was the *only* way
>>that a Harmony remote could get out of sync. But in this instance, I
>>think that it's specifically applicable, since others in his house are
>>using other remotes.
>
>
> Thus far everything seems to be working OK with two remotes, but if you are
> correct, I am basically screwed.

It all depends on what commands are discrete, and which are toggle.
Toggle commands can only be kept track of internally, there's no way for
your remote to know if that command had been given by another remote.
If the commonly used commands that you use are all discrete, you won't
notice a problem. But if some of them are toggle-based, then you will
have a sync problem.

Randy S.