HP Dumping Tablet and Phone Products, webOS on Hold

[belardo]

[citation][nom]bin1127[/nom]Wow, where'd you pull that argument from? Maybe you should protest the current communist wave by forfeiting your pension and health care. And put buckets of water around your house in case a fire breaks loose because unionized firefighters will be the end of America.[/citation]

Too much FOX on the brain there buddy?
Lets go with a for-profit fire Department, in which you must pay your monthly or yearly fees for fire protection... Imagine if you forgot or couldn't pay for the month your house burnt down.

We, like ALL modern countries are a hybrid society. We have a social system and we use it everyday!

You enjoy spending $100~300 a month for car insurance or $800~1200 a month for health insurance? All this goes to for-profit companies. And gee wiz, there are laws in EVERY state (AFAIK) that required auto insurance for your car, BY LAW... hmmmm.

It was the NeoCons who turned Romney Care into the natural crap we have now. new Hampshire was able to get out of it because they cover everyone and kicked out the insurance companies.

The USA has the WORST medical and education systems out of all modernized countries.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]shqtth[/nom]THey are giving up too early. Don't let apple win the game.WebOS is a better OS.~ Apple somehow has a grip on the dumb people. HP need to make a more of an impression to take away some of Apples market share. Most people are short of money right now because they got sucked in an Apple crappy product (I was one of them). Eventually people will wake up and sell off their crappy Apple Ipad ~ Apple could of gave up in the days they had crappy apps, but they hung on and now there is 1 million+ apps (i am sure of it). [/citation]
You have some hate issues. I have no love for Apple with the law-suit game they are playing and most likely will not win. But you know what, Apple didn't put a GUN to anyone's head to buy any of their products.

The failure of TouchPad is not Apple's fault. WebOS has some issues - but is a pretty good system overall. The TouchPad was a badly designed product, it looked like crap, it felt like crap. I hated touching it, the cheap plastic was... well... cheap plastic.

Apple doesn't have a grip on dumb people. Sure there are Apple-nut jobs that will buy ANYTHING with an Apple logo on it... so what. As long as they aren't making up crap.

"People being short on money" makes NO sense. Oh, so someone who never bought an Apple product should blame Apple? Apple's iPads cost the same as most other tablets on the market. The XOOM was more expensive.

We went with the iPad(1) for business because IT WORKED. Samsung had a 2.x 7" device, XOOM just came out and was $700. Most other tablets were semi-working Android 2.x.

Apple had nothing to do with RIM screwing up with the Playbook or HP failure with their TouchPad... it sold 25,000 units from Best Buy in 6 weeks... in Europe, 12,000 units in 4 weeks! THAT IS BAAAAD!

Meanwhile, ASUS, Samsung and even RIM sells about 200,000 tablets a month. Apple sells about 2 million iPads a month. I still don't see Android catching up to Apple any time soon, no matter what the experts say. For watching videos, Android is better... otherwise, its 16x9 sucks. Why not buy a $150 portable DVD or media player and save some money?

 

[belardo]

HP also loses credibility with their business in general.... as a failure. That they can't make a good product (duh), market it or support it. I wouldn't trust them for squat.

Too bad RIM didn't buy WebOS / Palm - they would have done better.

There are two things that HP will do with the 500,000 tablets out there... which may become collector items.

1 - Bury them in a landfill.
2 - Dump them onto the discount market for $100 or so, no warranty.

ie: with no new APPs or features (other than a handful of hobbyist), just the included basics - Anything more than $100 for an unsupported platform is all they are worth.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]bebangs[/nom]touchpad would sell if it was android.[/citation]

Not really... the cheap construction yet same price as a Samsung 10.1...
As a $350 device, yes.

There won't be any more tablets coming from HP... they suck at consumer products and are going to be leaving soon.

 

[Userremoved]

[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]You mean those Inspiron Duo's with the screen that flips within its own frame? They look a bit weird and it only comes with Intel Atom. I'm looking for something with a bit more CPU and GPU power. I wouldn't mind one of AMD's APUs. Wacom pen support ("Penabled" passive/electromagnetic) is also a must.[/citation]
Nope not that weird dual screen thing this one:
http/www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/dell-latitude-xt3-convertible-tablet-hands-on-video/
Or it might be another model anyways there something like that that was just released.

 

[Userremoved]

If HP would sell it for around 250$ with a weird android emulator it would sell well.

 

[edo]

The real shame here is that they think they can buy a British software company and them become a powerhouse in the Software and Services business, the new IBM. Well someone should tell them that there already is an IBM and they aren't push overs either. Seriously, if they folded WebOS because Apple was a tough competitor then IBM will put them out of business in 18 months.

 

[ravewulf]

[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]Nope not that weird dual screen thing this one:http/www.engadget.com/2011/02/08 [...] -on-video/Or it might be another model anyways there something like that that was just released.[/citation]
Wow, that's much better. Unfortunately the base price is $2000 and I'm looking for something in the $900 - $1300 range. My 3 yr old (nearly dead) tx2500 had an AMD Turion RM-70 2 GHz dual core with HD3200 graphics for about $1000

 

[jaksun5]

This a a joke, if it's worth paying 1.2 billion for, it's worth running with for at least a launch product +1 year of updates and improvements. It's the software that will win this thing, and if they don't build that out why start in the first place? The truth is these tablets aren't for work. when you are at work you might be:

1. Using a spreadsheet
2. Using a document editor
3. Using any other MS office product
4. Researching on the web
5. Checking/writing emails
6. Using a database/CRM
7. using some specialised software for anything else

I could go on, but notice how not ONE SINGLE THING in this list is easier or faster on a tablet. To warrant getting one you need to already have a computer, and also already have a mobile phone which you'd use for your comms since a tablet isn't practical. So, where does that leave the tablet? Basically, it's a toy. The fact that it might turn into something more in the future is open to speculation as more tablet oriented productivity apps appear, but until then the most useful thing it's for in the business world is to save you printing out sheets of paper to carry with you to board meetings.

the strategy they need to follow? Start with a mobile phone, something that everyone uses, where in the business space the incumbent is Blackberry, and outdated, expensive and ailing solution, perfect for HP to attack and steal market share from. This is the one space up for grabs as Android and iOS have the consumer market sewn up. Maybe then if successful they could take on the consumer market.

Unfortunately by waiting so long to bring out their new products, and by not maintaining palms previous 'pre' line, they are in a worse position now than when they actually shelled out the 1.2 billion

 

[epdm2be]

[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]wow HP now takes the record of shortest product life cycle away from Microsoftbut again its HP so it is not a surprise at all[/citation]

In fact it's not the first time that a good solid product gets destroyed by HP's incompetence. It's a miracle that that company still excists.

 

[Userremoved]

[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Wow, that's much better. Unfortunately the base price is $2000 and I'm looking for something in the $900 - $1300 range. My 3 yr old (nearly dead) tx2500 had an AMD Turion RM-70 2 GHz dual core with HD3200 graphics for about $1000[/citation]
Well it proves companies are still making them. Anyways good hunting!

 

[f-gomes]

Don't really care. The 'true HP' is actually Agilent. This PC industry giant has little to nothing to do with B. Hewlett and D. Packard.

 

[jacobdrj]

It is a shame, because most consumer HP devices are pure trash, but their business stuff is generally pretty good.

And with HP likely to get out of the PC market all together, that leaves the marketplace kind of open for a nice competitor to take over...

But then again, I am suprised HP has lasted as long as they have in the consumer realm: They make almost no profit, and their products are pure garbage. Cheaply made. No eye on solid construction at all.

 

[Userremoved]

[citation][nom]jacobdrj[/nom]It is a shame, because most consumer HP devices are pure trash, but their business stuff is generally pretty good.[/citation]
I love my HP office printers. They still work after 6 years.

But I though I might as well say this:
I went to Best Buy and there apparently gonna ship back all the units to HP and won't give HP a dime for them.

 

[belardo]

HP printers today - for the past 5 some odd years have horrible bloated drivers... Get a Canon.

And yeah, HP is a company name... but we'll still refer to them as HP. Look at Packard Bell computers - same thing, some guys bought the rights to the name from the real Packard Bell.

There are companies called Commodore and Amiga, but they don't have rights to the actual old technology - or when they do, its just a hack job (Commodore).

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]jaksun5[/nom]The truth is these tablets aren't for work. when you are at work you might be:1. Using a spreadsheet2. Using a document editor3. Using any other MS office product4. Researching on the web5. Checking/writing emails6. Using a database/CRM7. using some specialised software for anything elseI could go on, but notice how not ONE SINGLE THING in this list is easier or faster on a tablet. To warrant getting one you need to already have a computer, and also already have a mobile phone which you'd use for your comms since a tablet isn't practical.[/citation]

Tablets are very practical, but in general, they are a complementary device - but its possible for people who own an iPad and NOT have any sort of computer.

Now your numbers:
1) Spreadsheet : Wrong, iWorks Office and a few others will open and edit Spreadsheets, including MS-Office 2003 and 2010.

2) Document editor: Wrong, iWorks Office and a few others will open and edit Spreadsheets, including MS-Office 2003 and 2010.

3) MS makes One Note for iPad, but also iWorks and other apps will open and run MS-Office files. Keep in mind, there is also Google docs and even a web version of MS-Office.

4) Researching the web? It has a browser. I use my iPad while on the sofa and relaxing, reading a childrens book to my kid, do presentation for business... in which the iPad has helped to make me an extra $32,000 this year. Oh yeah, I developed a web-based product that works great on the iPad and any smart phone.

5) Checking email? I check and send emails from my phone... so again, you're not making sense.

6) Database creation, not a great thing... but using a database, not an issue. There are several database apps such as Bento and of course FileMaker.

7) ?? theres specializes software for iPads that don't work on PC... so whats your point?

Your arguments are weak.

My iPad doesn't replace my quad-core Windows8 desktop with its 24" screen. But my desktop or notebook don't weigh 1.5lbs with an 8 hour battery and instant on abilities.

 

[Userremoved]

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]Tablets are very practical, but in general, they are a complementary device - but its possible for people who own an iPad and NOT have any sort of computer.Now your numbers:1) Spreadsheet : Wrong, iWorks Office and a few others will open and edit Spreadsheets, including MS-Office 2003 and 2010.2) Document editor: Wrong, iWorks Office and a few others will open and edit Spreadsheets, including MS-Office 2003 and 2010.3) MS makes One Note for iPad, but also iWorks and other apps will open and run MS-Office files. Keep in mind, there is also Google docs and even a web version of MS-Office.4) Researching the web? It has a browser. I use my iPad while on the sofa and relaxing, reading a childrens book to my kid, do presentation for business... in which the iPad has helped to make me an extra $32,000 this year. Oh yeah, I developed a web-based product that works great on the iPad and any smart phone.5) Checking email? I check and send emails from my phone... so again, you're not making sense.6) Database creation, not a great thing... but using a database, not an issue. There are several database apps such as Bento and of course FileMaker.7) ?? theres specializes software for iPads that don't work on PC... so whats your point?Your arguments are weak.My iPad doesn't replace my quad-core Windows8 desktop with its 24" screen. But my desktop or notebook don't weigh 1.5lbs with an 8 hour battery and instant on abilities.[/citation]
For a business there's not really a tablet for work. It's a toy not a laptop replacement.