HP Pavillion HDX Entertainment Notebook PC (Penryn)

[lostandwandering]

Personally, I would go with Sager, typing on one now. I don't think I would go with the 9262 though. I would go with the 5793 since it uses an 8800mGTX, mobile processors and will have longer battery life.

As far as quad core for laptops, no there is no mobile quad chip out yet, but Intel is releasing one soon (don't remember the date, search for my post about it).

 

[Maziar]

to Logan:
Well even if Intel releases QuadCore for laptops, i hardly recommend it because most apps/games arent multi threaded

to matthew:
HP has better built quality IMO but the SAGER one has better Specs
8800M GTX is better than 8800M GTS but the difference isnt very much

If u need SLI, then go for NP9262 if u dont need SLI and need something that its battery can last long and also produces less heat go for NP5793 or HP HDX

Sager NP5739 is same as HDX but it has 8800M GTX and its 17"

I mysel like HDX alot because it has a solid design but as i said NP5793 looks very good and has a very good price

 

[lostandwandering]

to Logan:
Well even if Intel releases QuadCore for laptops, i hardly recommend it because most apps/games arent multi threaded

to matthew:
HP has better built quality IMO but the SAGER one has better Specs
8800M GTX is better than 8800M GTS but the difference isnt very much

As for the Quad, that is very true and add on the $1K price tag of the CPU, it's just not an appealing option IMO.

As for build quality, Ive noticed some things. Being in a college dorm environment, I get to mess around with all sorts of my friends laptops. Being able to compare my Sager to all sorts of Dells, HPs, and Acers, I think the Clevo/Sager has some of the best build quality. Don't get me wrong, Dell and HP aren't slacking in that department, but I have yet to find a flaw with my laptop.

These types of choices are always tough, because you end up with so many people with different opinions and experiences. It's not an easy choice and it's one I debated about for at least 6 months before I made my decision.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yeah I'd say the Clevo vs HP quality wise will be a personal preference, I depfinitely would take HP's customer service over Sager's not that their is bad or anything.

For me the thing I noticed/liked the most in the HP build quality was the lack of keyboard flex, which is something some laptops experience mmore than others. My old Gateway was rocksolid, just like the old smaller thinkpads I had, the Fujitsu now is a little spongier, so it annoys me, and that's the way I feel about most Clevos vs the current batch of HP. Nothing major, but a foible that bugs me particularly.

But overall both are top notch IMO, and not cheap, so you should get pretty close to the same quality, and just need to ensure the parts match your needs.

Personally I want a quad core, but then again I usually have a bunch of things going at once, and the apps that I need the most power for are usually multi-core aware, like 3Danimation, photo/video editing apps and modern games which while not as aware now will only become more and more so, especially with intel buying the likes of Havoc IMO.

 

[matthew4295]

first what is sli.......This is a big big choise and I have not decided what to do.........I have been going around to forums like this........now there is a big rumor that the quad core is not at its best so far........I REALLY need to make this choise.......I have to have one right after summer.......now what I want my laptop top to have is extreme gaming, super fast, mobility (dont care about weight very much I am strong) , Good battery life time (til have to charge) , good suport and warenty (sorry bad spelling) , going to last a LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME..........and last 17" or higher....and LAST, no more then $6000.......and also have to have payments...........NOW I AM DONE.

 

[lostandwandering]

SLI means Scalable Link Interface. SLI uses 2 graphics cards simultaneously to boost performance depending on the game. IMO, SLI is a bit of a waste. It is expensive, doesn't return double the performance for nearly double the price, and it kills your battery life.

IMO, get the best single card system that you can get. Right now, that happens to be the Sager NP5793 (decent support w/ 3 year warranty FYI)

 

[Maziar]

Anything u need to know about SLI:
http/www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/245454-15-crossfire-faqs

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

This is a big big choise and I have not decided what to do.........I have been going around to forums like this........now there is a big rumor that the quad core is not at its best so far........I REALLY need to make this choise.......I have to have one right after summer.......

Ok, so if you don't need it unti right after summer, then wait a short time. The new intel Montevina platform comes out in just over a month, with it comes support for faster memory, faster CPUs (plus current CPUs), fast interconnects, all around entire platform boost (google montevina for details);
http/download.intel.com/products/roadmap/roadmap.pdf#nameddest=laptop_roadmap

(if that direct link does work, follow this one: http/www.intel.com/products/roadmap/laptop.htm )

now what I want my laptop top to have is extreme gaming, super fast, mobility (dont care about weight very much I am strong) , Good battery life time (til have to charge) , good suport and warenty (sorry bad spelling) , going to last a LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME..........and last 17" or higher....and LAST, no more then $6000.......and also have to have payments...........NOW I AM DONE.

Only problem with the above request is the balance between performance and battery.
If you want long battery life and gaming or any other stessful apps, then battery life will fall through the floor, even with an SSD or other things battery life will get sucked up by a CPU and GPU running under heavy load.

Best bet would be to get the powerful laptop, and then a secondary external polymer battery IMO, it gives you the life of about 2-3 batteries, but doesn't really bog you down too much, and easier to manage than 2 extra batteries, etc.

IMO, wait for Montevina, and still stick with dual core (unless you KNOW your app will benifit noticably from Quad support), do NOT get a desktop quad though only a mobile 45nm Quad should be even considered, and even then IMO, go with a better dual core than quad, unless specific need. Also by that time we should see some new option in graphics as well, and if the rumours of an RV7xx based solution are correct, then that would be nice. Even a revamped shrunk GF8800M would be nice for your need of power and performance.

Anywhoo, unless you need to buy in the next coupla weeks, wait for the Montevina's launch.

 

[lostandwandering]

^Good advice. Listen to the man.

 

[matthew4295]

alright what is a external polymer battery and where could I get one for a mostly going to buy HP HDX????? also the new intel will not be on a laptop....or will it..............plus only REALLY new laptops are going to support that.........now would you say to get (if there is a choise) (will this drain my battery more) a intel Montevina's or a 2.8 ghz EXTREME INTEL......thank you for helping me on this stuff......

 

[matthew4295]

one more thing I want to know should I get a 2.5ghz core 2 duo or pay an extra $650 to upgrade to a 2.8ghz core 2 extreme.......would it really upgrade my laptop or will it REALLY DRAIN MY BATTERY LIFE TIME (time til power drained)

 

[Maziar]

Go for T9300 its the best price/performance ratio CPU between those and
2.5 vs 2.8 doesnt make alot of difference and isnt worth the price

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

alright what is a external polymer battery and where could I get one for a mostly going to buy HP HDX?????[/quote]

You know google, really helps alot for questions like that, eh!?!
Do a little shopping, it's been over a year since I bought mine (96Whr one) for the old DELL and Gateway. But here are a few examples (not sure what works with HDX, but you want at least 100Whr IMO);
http/www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2569090&Sku=L251-LTULB&SRCCODE=COMPGOOBDF&CMP=OTC-GPRODUCTS
http/www.laptopbattery.net/universalbatteries.html
http/www.amazon.co.uk/2-Power-Universal-External-Longlife-Battery/dp/B000EBDBGU/ref=pd_sbs_ce_img_2
http/www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=UPB90

You may need to work hard to find the proper 150+Whr range that would be best for this type of laptop you want, but they are available (although I don't know if they are still polymers at that time or more like a standard but large external battery.

also the new intel will not be on a laptop....or will it

Follow the link I provided (with laptop in the address ) and google Montevina, there is one primary role for Montevina, and the only desktops getting it will be the prissy ones like the iMac and Gateway ONE.

plus only REALLY new laptops are going to support that

But, you're talking about $5,000+ and not needing to buy until the end of summer by which time Montevinas will be in most current shipping laptops, or maybe you were talking about summer in the southern Hemisphere?
Whatever you can buy now for X dollars you will find better performance and features for the same dollar once the Montevina platforms hit the shelves. Everyone who knows anything about laptops and is planning on buying this summer is waiting for them to arrive. They won't be as earth shattering as Nehalem will be, but they are going to be sweet, and alot of companies are timing their new products to coincide with this new platform, so you will liekly see faster/better SSDs, Video solutions, etc.

now would you say to get (if there is a choise) (will this drain my battery more) a intel Montevina's or a 2.8 ghz EXTREME INTEL.

Depends on what you're doing but I agree with Maziar, anything more than a T9300 isn't going to give you much right now. Once the Montevinas come out it will be a combination of performance and feature factors. The diffference in battery drain will be pretty insignificant, if anything Robson2 will actually make it worthwhile for battery saving use so likely the increase power drain of DDR3, etc will be offset by that a bit acting like an SSD (but likely not giving you much benefit if you're actually hooked up to newest model SSD).

We won't know power features of those future products for sure until they ship and are reviewed, but for now the T9300 is the chip to look at IMO.

 

[matthew4295]

SO one question......I didn't get this form your letter........is it (Montevina) going to be on a laptop or desktop........

 

[Maziar]

laptop, i think

 

[lostandwandering]

Yes, it's for laptops, dubbed "Centrino 2"

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080218PD210.html

 

[matthew4295]

So now all I want to know is WHEN or IF it will come out on the HP HDX.....

 

[Maziar]

Mate dont think about it alot, no one knows the exact release date, and how it will perfrom and other things.......
if u want to wait u never can buy a new thing

 

[matthew4295]

that is very true!!!

 

[matthew4295]

Alright now I have goten the sager out of my head.....now I have to chose between the the Dell xps 1730 and the hp hdx......dell is know to have the best gaming laptops!!! so what should I do???