Is ReplayTV's ethernet ability 2 way?

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:28:05 -0600, Mark Lloyd
<mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:

>I haven't either (although I do know of a hack to allow it on 55xx).
>IVS incolves the Replay server (streaming does not), and they would be
>able to detect your action.

I am surprised someone hasn't figured how to trick the RTV into
thinking it is talking to the IVS server. All it sees is coming down
that CAT5. I don't really see the incentive tho as long as you can
stream from your PC.

 

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gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:28:05 -0600, Mark Lloyd
> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>
>
>>I haven't either (although I do know of a hack to allow it on 55xx).
>>IVS incolves the Replay server (streaming does not), and they would be
>>able to detect your action.
>
>
> I am surprised someone hasn't figured how to trick the RTV into
> thinking it is talking to the IVS server. All it sees is coming down
> that CAT5. I don't really see the incentive tho as long as you can
> stream from your PC.

They have. Poopli is evolving toward it. Originally Poopli was a
database compiled from myreplaytv.com. Now using the Poopli updater,
myreplaytv.com is no longer needed. Eventually poopli will be an entity
unto itself and no longer require Replay's servers.

 

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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns962AADA933A4jeffsmessages@216.196.97.142>,
> Jeff Lindstrom <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a 5040 and it can receive shows from other 5xxx machines,
>> but it can't receive a show from DVArchive, so I take that as
>> a limitation of DVArchive

> No, something's broken.
>
> Your 5040 should easily be able to stream shows from DVArchive.
>
> As for MOVING the show FROM DVArchive OVER TO the 5040 such that it
> resides on the 5040, you've never been able to do that.

When I said 'receive', I meant 'receive', not 'stream'. My 5040 can
stream shows just fine from DVArchive on my 850 MHz PIII.

It cannot *receive* shows from DVArchive (as it can from other 5xxx
machines) because DVArchive cannot *send* shows. I take that as a
limitation of DVArchive.


--
Jeff

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:14:36 -0600, Jeff Lindstrom
<j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:

>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns962AADA933A4jeffsmessages@216.196.97.142>,
>> Jeff Lindstrom <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 5040 and it can receive shows from other 5xxx machines,
>>> but it can't receive a show from DVArchive, so I take that as
>>> a limitation of DVArchive
>
>> No, something's broken.
>>
>> Your 5040 should easily be able to stream shows from DVArchive.
>>
>> As for MOVING the show FROM DVArchive OVER TO the 5040 such that it
>> resides on the 5040, you've never been able to do that.
>
> When I said 'receive', I meant 'receive', not 'stream'. My 5040 can
>stream shows just fine from DVArchive on my 850 MHz PIII.
>
> It cannot *receive* shows from DVArchive (as it can from other 5xxx
>machines) because DVArchive cannot *send* shows. I take that as a
>limitation of DVArchive.

OK, some people do mix up those terms. "Receiving" (not "streaming")
is using IVS, which DVA does not support. This is a limitation of DVA,
probably for good reason. IVS requires the Replay server, which would
allow them to see that you're doig something you're not supposed to.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:27:21 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:28:05 -0600, Mark Lloyd
><mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>
>>I haven't either (although I do know of a hack to allow it on 55xx).
>>IVS incolves the Replay server (streaming does not), and they would be
>>able to detect your action.
>
>I am surprised someone hasn't figured how to trick the RTV into
>thinking it is talking to the IVS server.

That should be possible, maybe using a technique similar to the way
WiRNS allows you to get schedules from an alternate source.

> All it sees is coming down
>that CAT5. I don't really see the incentive tho as long as you can
>stream from your PC.

I've never wanted to put shows on the Replay from a computer, at least
not after I found out how to stream them.

BTW, streaming can (at least somewhat) do away with the need to put a
larger drive in the Replay.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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Tell me more about the Poopli updater,,, How is it supposed to work and
what does it run on

Tony D wrote:
> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:28:05 -0600, Mark Lloyd
>> <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I haven't either (although I do know of a hack to allow it on 55xx).
>>> IVS incolves the Replay server (streaming does not), and they would be
>>> able to detect your action.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am surprised someone hasn't figured how to trick the RTV into
>> thinking it is talking to the IVS server. All it sees is coming down
>> that CAT5. I don't really see the incentive tho as long as you can
>> stream from your PC.
>
>
> They have. Poopli is evolving toward it. Originally Poopli was a
> database compiled from myreplaytv.com. Now using the Poopli updater,
> myreplaytv.com is no longer needed. Eventually poopli will be an entity
> unto itself and no longer require Replay's servers.

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http/community.compuserve.com/diabetes

 

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John in Detroit wrote:
> Tell me more about the Poopli updater,,, How is it supposed to work and
> what does it run on
>
It's a pc app which collects guide info from all of your replays and
updates the poopli database every 4 hours. The newest version of the
updater allows you to send shows from your pc. You no longer have to go
to the Replay which has the show and add the requester to the address
book and send. Just highlight the show on the particular Replay on your
pc, hit send, put in the IVS number and you're done. Very nice if you do
a lot of sends.

 

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:58:24 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>John in Detroit wrote:
>> Tell me more about the Poopli updater,,, How is it supposed to work and
>> what does it run on
>>
>It's a pc app which collects guide info from all of your replays and
>updates the poopli database every 4 hours. The newest version of the
>updater allows you to send shows from your pc. You no longer have to go
>to the Replay which has the show and add the requester to the address
>book and send. Just highlight the show on the particular Replay on your
>pc, hit send, put in the IVS number and you're done. Very nice if you do
>a lot of sends.

Sounds like a big improvement.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:14:36 -0600, Jeff Lindstrom
> <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <Xns962AADA933A4jeffsmessages@216.196.97.142>,
>>> Jeff Lindstrom <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a 5040 and it can receive shows from other 5xxx machines,
>>>> but it can't receive a show from DVArchive, so I take that as
>>>> a limitation of DVArchive
>>
>>>No, something's broken.
>>>
>>>Your 5040 should easily be able to stream shows from DVArchive.
>>>
>>>As for MOVING the show FROM DVArchive OVER TO the 5040 such that it
>>>resides on the 5040, you've never been able to do that.
>>
>> When I said 'receive', I meant 'receive', not 'stream'. My 5040 can
>>stream shows just fine from DVArchive on my 850 MHz PIII.
>>
>> It cannot *receive* shows from DVArchive (as it can from other 5xxx
>>machines) because DVArchive cannot *send* shows. I take that as a
>>limitation of DVArchive.
>
>
> OK, some people do mix up those terms. "Receiving" (not "streaming")
> is using IVS, which DVA does not support. This is a limitation of DVA,
> probably for good reason. IVS requires the Replay server, which would
> allow them to see that you're doig something you're not supposed to.
>

The reason for the Replay servers is to keep track of the Replay units
in an internet world where your ip address at the beginning of the send
may be different from the end. Future editions of Poopli will not
require the DNNA servers. I doubt DNNA monitors anything regarding
transfers. If they did, you would think when the cleaning people pull
out the extension cord running the IVS servers on Friday night and bring
down IVS, somebody would have it rebooted before Monday morning.

 

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Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think

Tony D wrote:
> John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Tell me more about the Poopli updater,,, How is it supposed to work
>> and what does it run on
>>
> It's a pc app which collects guide info from all of your replays and
> updates the poopli database every 4 hours. The newest version of the
> updater allows you to send shows from your pc. You no longer have to go
> to the Replay which has the show and add the requester to the address
> book and send. Just highlight the show on the particular Replay on your
> pc, hit send, put in the IVS number and you're done. Very nice if you do
> a lot of sends.

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http/community.compuserve.com/diabetes

 

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John in Detroit wrote:

> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think

You need .NET.
For the XP box, simply boot from the XP disk and run a repair. If you
have upgraded to SP2 and your original disk is not SP2, you cannot run a
Repair. You CAN use your disk and the full SP2 file to create a NEW XP
bootable CD with SP2 that can run the repair however.

For the 98 box, simply run the install again. I doubt if the 98 box
would be good for anything Replay though.

 

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John in Detroit wrote:

> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think

It wouldn't work for me either, but I think after a little research you
need to install the .NET runtime from MS. Should be available from
Windows update. Haven't tried it yet, though.

 

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ST wrote:
> John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
>> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think
>
>
> It wouldn't work for me either, but I think after a little research you
> need to install the .NET runtime from MS. Should be available from
> Windows update. Haven't tried it yet, though.

Yes, you need .NET

 

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:35:12 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:14:36 -0600, Jeff Lindstrom
>> <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <Xns962AADA933A4jeffsmessages@216.196.97.142>,
>>>> Jeff Lindstrom <j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 5040 and it can receive shows from other 5xxx machines,
>>>>> but it can't receive a show from DVArchive, so I take that as
>>>>> a limitation of DVArchive
>>>
>>>>No, something's broken.
>>>>
>>>>Your 5040 should easily be able to stream shows from DVArchive.
>>>>
>>>>As for MOVING the show FROM DVArchive OVER TO the 5040 such that it
>>>>resides on the 5040, you've never been able to do that.
>>>
>>> When I said 'receive', I meant 'receive', not 'stream'. My 5040 can
>>>stream shows just fine from DVArchive on my 850 MHz PIII.
>>>
>>> It cannot *receive* shows from DVArchive (as it can from other 5xxx
>>>machines) because DVArchive cannot *send* shows. I take that as a
>>>limitation of DVArchive.
>>
>>
>> OK, some people do mix up those terms. "Receiving" (not "streaming")
>> is using IVS, which DVA does not support. This is a limitation of DVA,
>> probably for good reason. IVS requires the Replay server, which would
>> allow them to see that you're doig something you're not supposed to.
>>
>
>The reason for the Replay servers is to keep track of the Replay units
>in an internet world where your ip address at the beginning of the send
>may be different from the end. Future editions of Poopli will not
>require the DNNA servers.

Probably, but notice that they could at any time without your consent
or even knowledge,

> I doubt DNNA monitors anything regarding
>transfers. If they did, you would think when the cleaning people pull
>out the extension cord running the IVS servers on Friday night and bring
>down IVS, somebody would have it rebooted before Monday morning.

Any data collection is likely to be automated, and not checked often.
It could be weeks or longer before they find out.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:32:53 GMT, ST <tringali@yahoo.com> wrote:

>John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
>> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think
>
>It wouldn't work for me either, but I think after a little research you
>need to install the .NET runtime from MS.
> Should be available from
>Windows update. Haven't tried it yet, though.

It has been for a long time (at least with Win 2000).

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> For the 98 box, simply run the install again. I doubt if the 98 box
> would be good for anything Replay though.

My 850 MHz PII running Win98SE handles DVArchive just fine, including
streaming to my RTV and an 1100 transfer rate to my PC (haven't tried any
faster).


--
Jeff

===================================================================
NOTE: Remove underscores from my e-mail address to reply personally.

 

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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 04:51:37 -0600, Jeff Lindstrom
<j_r_lind@adelphia.net> wrote:

>Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> For the 98 box, simply run the install again. I doubt if the 98 box
>> would be good for anything Replay though.
>
> My 850 MHz PII running Win98SE handles DVArchive just fine, including
>streaming to my RTV and an 1100 transfer rate to my PC (haven't tried any
>faster).

I heard that the maximum (for 5xxx Replays) was about 1300. I've been
using 1200 on 2 of my Replays, and 600 on the other. The reason for
the difference is that that last one is the Replay I control manually
the most, and the higher speeds greatly increase control latency
(think about pressing 'pause' and waiting a minute before it works) as
well as causing problems with playback (record is still OK).

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."

 

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Ah, yes the .NET runtime can be downloaded from the windows update site,
in fact auto-update wants to install it, I said no, it looks to me to
have security issues, I don't like security issues.

ST wrote:
> John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
>> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think
>
>
> It wouldn't work for me either, but I think after a little research you
> need to install the .NET runtime from MS. Should be available from
> Windows update. Haven't tried it yet, though.

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http/community.compuserve.com/diabetes

 

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Someone else identified the problem... I need a module I refused to
install (.net)

As for the 98 box.. It does replay things quite nicely, it can
download/move shows from the replays, it can remote control the replays,
it can display the listings, upcoming shows and the like


AND IT PLAYS THE SHOWS JUST FINE, in fact I just finished watching an
hour's worth of M*A*S*H (Been a slow week for recording, But I have over
fifty hours of mash on the USB drive)

Tony D wrote:
> John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Ok, it won't run on either of my PC's 98 box is missing a DLL and the
>> xp box... I forget, illegal instruction I think
>
>
> You need .NET.
> For the XP box, simply boot from the XP disk and run a repair. If you
> have upgraded to SP2 and your original disk is not SP2, you cannot run a
> Repair. You CAN use your disk and the full SP2 file to create a NEW XP
> bootable CD with SP2 that can run the repair however.
>
> For the 98 box, simply run the install again. I doubt if the 98 box
> would be good for anything Replay though.

--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http/community.compuserve.com/diabetes