Kidnapped Kids Found on Facebook 15 Years Later

[chripuck]

[citation][nom]mattclary[/nom]Another person who has no children.[/citation]
I have a son and if my wife did this to me I'd want to get to know him before getting my wife thrown in jail. A little "if you don't let me see them then I'm telling the cops" would be the first thing I tried.

Of course we have no clue what this woman was like 15 years ago. She may have been an emotionally and physically abusive crackhead and the father did the children a favor.

Don't judge unless you know the whole story.

 

[joebob2000]

Let this be a lesson to you guys, *women never let shit go*. Period, end of story. It might be that one time that you ate all the scrambled eggs and didn't offer to make her some more, it will be in her head until just the right moment and them BAM you get bitchslapped with the "oh this is just like the time you took all my eggs"...

Women forget stuff all the time, don't get me wrong. However, the stuff they forget will be limited to stuff that they can't use against you. The hundred times you bought her flowers? You can bet that after the one time you were a few days late buying her some for her birthday you will catch a "you NEVER buy me flowers!" to the balls.

Ah well, can't live with em, can't sell em (for a profit).

 

[gladiator_mohaa]

It takes two to tango and the kids were just as much his and they are hers, at least biologically. Now that we know the sperm and egg donor the real question is who deserves the title mom or dad. I am guessing that with the way laws were he would stand a chance in court on custody and was probably doing the best he saw possible to protect his kids due to perhaps lifestyle choices of the mother. However we don't know the history from 15 years ago to know. Was the mother abusive? On Drugs? Or was Dad just tired of living with his wife? If the first two are true i can't blame the Dad. If the latter is true then it was a very selfish act on the Dad's part and the Mom was also very self centered and selfish to get the police involved first thing with out trying to come to an arrangement to perhaps meet the children with out destroying there current stability in life with years of trials and court rooms. I am sure the kids will despise the person who is responsible for them only able to see there Father who raised them for only 5 minutes every six months behind bars.

 

[vancouverboy]

The father did the wrong thing leaving california without getting a divorce (for unknow reason.. she cheated?), and custody of the childs, but...

Compared to some "real kidnappers" out there, they're his own kids, they weren't locked up in a cave, he took care of them, they had educations in school where all the information/knowledge about kidnapping or bad parenting are well taught, too.

If the two kids felt not confortable at any time during this 15 years, they could have already spotted this father so easily. Why the "now adult girl and the quasi-adult brother" didn't do that? That question may give us some thoughts...

 

[mattclary]

[citation][nom]Anomalyx[/nom]As long as there is no custody order, you can take your own kids wherever you like, even if your spouse does not agree. Your spouse has no legal say in where you can/can't take your kids until he/she files for divorce and is granted custody[/citation]

All fifty states, the District of Columbia, and Congress have enacted civil and criminal laws to
address parental kidnapping and interstate and international child custody and visitation disputes.

http://www.abanet.org/child/pkprevrem.pdf

 

[cakecake]

What's sad is wondering how much do their kids love their father more than their mother?

 

[reddragon72]

I personally hope that he is found not guilty then sues her and wins, she has just totally screwed his life up and now the kids. And if the 18 year old cancelled the facebook link to her mother then what do you think she is going to do to her mother when they force the 18 year old to move in with her mother? Does the mom think that it is going to be all sunshine and puppies?!?!

 

[mattclary]

I am amazed at the number of idiots here. Are you all 15 years old? And the guy who wouldn't want to throw his wife in jail if she stole his kid!!! You people are insane or just a lot younger than I realized. I don't think any of you understand what it is to be a parent.

 

[Blessedman]

This is really messed up and someone should have been sent in fist to determine the situation. Who knows the mother might have been the abuser! That could be why the father left. This country is just so dumb when it comes to meddling in family lives.

 

[clivene09]

Without knowing all the facts, I would lean towards wanting to side with whatever the children wanted. They have been a pawn now used by both the father, and the mother, and both of them should be ashamed IMO.

 

[the associate]

[citation][nom]joebob2000[/nom] The hundred times you bought her flowers? You can bet that after the one time you were a few days late buying her some for her birthday you will catch a "you NEVER buy me flowers!" to the balls.Ah well, can't live with em, can't sell em (for a profit).[/citation]

Happened to me, just not about flowers, this is a well known phenomenon, why you were downrated is beyond me. People like to base their own personal experiences as facts of life, acting as if since it never happened to them it's utter bs, or their just in denial to that fact since they act thusly.
Oh the hypocrisy of humanity...

As other people said, we need more information, but either way, from the looks of things, it doesn't look like she filed a report to the police for kidnapping. If she did, the police would have found her children...I mean she found them on facebook with their ORIGINAL names, so wtf is this story? :S

 

[baterz_up]

Touché, wonder what held her back from reporting the kidnapping 15 years ago hmm? 15 years of self rehab?

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]mattclary[/nom]For those of you morons who seem to think think the mother is wrong, you obviously don't have kids, or aren't good parents. My daughter is 6. If she were to disappear today, be it with her mother or a stranger, it would leave a HOLE in my life. I have loved many people in my life, none of them, not even my own mother, can begin to compare to the love I feel for my daughter. You don't "just let go" of a stolen child. I'm dumbfounded anyone could even say that.[/citation]
That is a terribly selfish attitude. As a parent, you should care about the CHILDREN's well being, not your own. Who cares if you are sad, it is devastating to the children to do this to them.

She should have tracked down the father using the information and told the dad that she wants to see the kids or she will press charges. If the kids were going under their own names, then she obviously wasn't looking very hard for them if it took her that long.

 

[Guest]

FACTS: The parents were going through a divorce. A California court granted the mother custody. The dad kidnapped the kids who were 2 and 3 at the time and told the mom he was moving to Mexico and she would never see them again. The only reason the police were able to arrest the father for kidnapping was because he had interfered with a court's custody order.

 

[fallentech]

He should have killed her 15 years ago, dead people don't get revenge...

 

[htmaster]

The kids are also 16 and 17 although the daughter just graduated from high school.

 

[fallentech]

That's a joke by the way

 

[bfstev]

If you look at some more details in the case it gets even worse. The father was arrested at the bus stop waiting to pick up his son after school. Not exactly the sign of a dead beat dad. Also the daught said she wanted nothing to do with the mother on facebook and deleted her account, but it was too late as the mother got enough info. The child chose the father and the mother seems to have retaliated out of selfish reasons. Apparently she didnt love them enough to realize they might have been better off without her. Now if he was abusing them or sexually harrasing them, or the shild wanted to leave, thats a different story. But if the child wanted nothing to do with her, the dad was apparently attentive to the needs of his children and provided for them, then this story is sad indeed. It seems the only crime commited here is that he didnt go through the divorce proceedings and win custody which most likely would have gone to the mother with how the law stands now.

This shit is too ambiguous as it is right now to pass proper judgement though.

 

[Zingam]

This is a very selfish and immoral act on the side of the mother. Just think about that. Well, her husband has done something wrong probably. But if you have lived all your life with your father and then someone comes even your mother and puts the only parent you've ever known in jail and then forces you to obey his/her will and you barely know him, will you be happy? I don't think so!
I think this mother would loose her children again, especially if they love their father and he provided them well.

 

[tburns1]

Do any of you actually have kids (that you love)? He deserved to go to jail. The mother was waiting for 15 years, not knowing the fate of her children. He deserves to be thrown under the jail. I'm sorry that the kids are torn up in all of this. I wonder what stories they were told about thier mother over these 15 years?