Mackie Big Knob?

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Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"? I am wondering
about the talkback functions. A person that I don't trust too much said
something to the effect that when you press the talkback button, the
control room monitors DON'T DIM. I'm looking to know whether or not the
talkback dims the control room. In my mind, the product would be useless
if they didn't implement the talkback function properly.

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:22:45 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
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>http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf

Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
is beyond me.

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In article <1gh7ohg.1nc0dmo2u1jviN%walkinay@thegrid.net> walkinay@thegrid.net writes:

> http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf

So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob?
Very clever observation.




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<< Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
is beyond me. >>

In my experience the studio monitor and the control room monitor is different.
As people in the studio may not always have their headphones on having the
option to have talk back in the room is a good thing.



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On 20 Jul 2004 16:32:34 GMT, egghd@aol.com (EggHd) wrote:

><< Why mixer designers feel it's
>necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
>is beyond me. >>
>
>In my experience the studio monitor and the control room monitor is different.
>As people in the studio may not always have their headphones on having the
>option to have talk back in the room is a good thing.
>

Yes, you're correct of course. I was thrown off because the Mackie
Operational Guide uses the term 'studio monitors' for both the control
room monitors and the recording room monitors.

A closer look at the block diagram shows that the talkback does not go
to the Monitor A/B outputs so it's not critical that the control room
monitors 'dim'. There is a mute switch but it's not activated by the
TB.

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In article <51hqf0dthjqo0dmcd4rt45ea2d4h41f0q0@4ax.com> deepthrob@hotmail.com writes:

> Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
> necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
> is beyond me.

Do you mean that, or do you mean the control room monitor bus?

You sent talkback to the studio bacause that's where the musicians
you're talking to are. Real studios have speakers in the studio so the
musicians can hear playback (and talkback) without coming into the
control room. You send talkback to the "aux" buses (headphone outputs
in this case) because some of the musicians wear headphones. You send
it to the main outputs because you can use it to slate a take.

You don't send talkback to the control room monitors because it will
feed back. But you DO dim the control room monitors since the studio
mics are often up, and if the talkback mic picks them up and sends
them back to the studio monitor speakers (or sometimes even headphones
if there's enough gain) you'll get feedback through that path.



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hank alrich wrote:

> EricK wrote:
>
>
>>Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"?
>
>
> http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf
>
> --
> ha

Thank you for the link, Hank. Don't know why I didn't think of that. Oh,
wait, I did, a week ago. Couldn't find a definitive answer. Yes, maybe
the answer is buried in the schematic. I must admit, my skills at
reading schematics are rudimentary at best. That should not be reason to
fault me for posting the question to the group.

My thinking was that just because the manual doesn't specifically
mention that the control room will dim when the T/B is utilized, does
not mean that it doesn't dim. I take it for granted that when I press
T/B, the control monitors will dim. I thought Mackie was taking that for
granted as well when they wrote the manual.

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Frank Vuotto wrote:
> A closer look at the block diagram shows that the talkback does not go
> to the Monitor A/B outputs so it's not critical that the control room
> monitors 'dim'. There is a mute switch but it's not activated by the
> TB.

Also a "dim" switch, but still not activated by the TB. Still I'm
going to test this knob thing out first hand when my dealer get
it home (a week or 2)

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Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:

> walkinay writes:

> > http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf

> So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob?

Just a so-called thought.

> Very clever observation.

Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.

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EricK wrote:

> Thank you for the link, Hank. Don't know why I didn't think of that. Oh,
> wait, I did, a week ago. Couldn't find a definitive answer. Yes, maybe
> the answer is buried in the schematic. I must admit, my skills at
> reading schematics are rudimentary at best. That should not be reason to
> fault me for posting the question to the group.

I didn't intend to fault you in any way; I didn't have time to download
the manual and read it to see if I could find an answer. I saw no
mention that you'd found the manual, so I offered a pointer.

(Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.)

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<< Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"? >>

Yes, I just bought one for a project that involves setting up a DAW in the
artists' rehearsal space.

<<I am wondering
about the talkback functions. A person that I don't trust too much said
something to the effect that when you press the talkback button, the
control room monitors DON'T DIM. I'm looking to know whether or not the
talkback dims the control room. >>

The talkback does not dim the control monitors.

<<In my mind, the product would be useless
if they didn't implement the talkback function properly.>>

I personally am extremely pleased that talkback does not dim the monitors
because it is now possible to carry on a 2 way conversation with the talent
while the producer is mindlessly holding the talkback down.
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<< Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
is beyond me. >>

Well, it's very hard for musicians who aren't using headphones (as in at least
50% of the acoustic sessions I do) to hear you when talkback DOESN'T go to the
studio monitors.

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In article <1gh8wzq.1fu82yzuguunoN%walkinay@thegrid.net> walkinay@thegrid.net writes:

> (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.)

I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They
keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune.


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On 21 Jul 2004 07:52:35 GMT, scotfraser@aol.com (ScotFraser) wrote:

><< Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
>necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
>is beyond me. >>
>

I did mean the control room monitors (but called studio monitors in
the Mackie guide).

I swear.....


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In article <znr1090408089k@trad>, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>In article <1gh8wzq.1fu82yzuguunoN%walkinay@thegrid.net> walkinay@thegrid.net writes:
>
>> (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.)
>
>I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They
>keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune.

If you already tried candle wax and soap, how about putting a wrap of
teflon pipe tape on?
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Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article <1gh8wzq.1fu82yzuguunoN%walkinay@thegrid.net> walkinay@thegrid.net writes:
>
>
>> (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.)
>
>
> I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They
> keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune.


I used to have a stick of some blackish-brown compound for my violin pegs that worked fairly well.
 
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Just goes to show how much I love my Soundtracs Solo. Proper talkback. And
still I walk out of the control room and talk to the musicians because they
can't see me since I don't have a control room window. They like it and I
like it.

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <51hqf0dthjqo0dmcd4rt45ea2d4h41f0q0@4ax.com>
deepthrob@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
> > necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss
> > is beyond me.
>
> Do you mean that, or do you mean the control room monitor bus?
>
> You sent talkback to the studio bacause that's where the musicians
> you're talking to are. Real studios have speakers in the studio so the
> musicians can hear playback (and talkback) without coming into the
> control room. You send talkback to the "aux" buses (headphone outputs
> in this case) because some of the musicians wear headphones. You send
> it to the main outputs because you can use it to slate a take.
>
> You don't send talkback to the control room monitors because it will
> feed back. But you DO dim the control room monitors since the studio
> mics are often up, and if the talkback mic picks them up and sends
> them back to the studio monitor speakers (or sometimes even headphones
> if there's enough gain) you'll get feedback through that path.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
 
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Or Truffles! <g>

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
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> > walkinay writes:
>
> > > http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf
>
> > So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob?
>
> Just a so-called thought.
>
> > Very clever observation.
>
> Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.
>
> --
> ha
 
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