More Microsoft Layoffs Starting Today

[malaki]

hey, when all the jobs require math/computer science skills and the usa ranks towards the middle/bottom of the industrialized world, where do you think the jobs are going to/new hires are coming from?

 

[Kelavarus]

[citation][nom]jhatfie[/nom]Really? I all my laid off friends and my wife all have full time jobs again and we are seeing a mass exodus from my company as people leave for new job opportunities. Most that were laid off are getting paid about 10% less, but at least they are working. The economy certainly is not firing on all it's cylinders, but does not appear to be that bad, at least in where I live.[/citation]

Here in Oregon, just about everyone I know except a few are bitching about there being no jobs, but when I decided to get a job the other day, I was hired in 2 days, and had filled out applications at 7 places, and there were tons more on my list, I just didn't even have time to get to them.

The people bitching about there being no jobs appear to mostly (MOSTLY, not everyone) be people waiting for someone to knock on their door and offer.

 

[shura4ever]

Kinda odd, recently there was an article here, microsoft bragging about high profits

 

[XZaapryca]

[citation][nom]derstarke[/nom]There are always people without jobs... And everyone else will think it's great. I would characterize a general increase in jobs as a recovery if it was fairly significant.[/citation]

Emphasis being on "fairly significant" and there hasn't been one.

[citation][nom]derstarke[/nom]I see your point - except the economy isn't located in a specific location like the problem in the Gulf of Mexico.[/citation]

The GoM is bordered by over 1/6th of the US population and is the epicenter of our energy production capabilities. My heart isn't my whole body, so what's a clogged artery or two, right? Again, you can't see the problem so there must not be one. Got it.

[citation][nom]derstarke[/nom]New hirings do effect the overall economy. All that said - "So far this year, private-sector employment has increased by 593,000" (http/www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)[/citation]

That's great, except for it's horrible. 593K sounds like a big number except for the fact that it's not. We need more jobs than that in the same time period just to replace all the workers who die, become disabled, retire, return to school, etc. Over 100K a month just to break even the last time I looked into it. According to some people we need over 400K jobs a month for THREE YEARS just to get back go where we were two years ago.

[citation][nom]derstarke[/nom]As for Microsoft - I think it's probably true about lowballing starting salaries, but from an economic perspective it's better to have 2 people working for less in the place of 1 working for more. =/ (Not that the hiring to firing ratio is 2:1 - just saying)[/citation]

On this, we totally agree. Corporations seem to care more about bottomlines than brain drain. It's better to lose long time employees who have decades in the industry and then hire new blood just out of college for a fraction of the cost. It's kind of callous and can be short sighted at times, but it's the world we live in.

[citation][nom]Kelavarus[/nom]Here in Oregon, just about everyone I know except a few are bitching about there being no jobs, but when I decided to get a job the other day, I was hired in 2 days, and had filled out applications at 7 places, and there were tons more on my list, I just didn't even have time to get to them.[/citation]

Why does everyone take their personal experience and turn it into the rule? It amazes me how obtuse people can be.

 

[ragequit]

Unemployement is up in the US, thats a fact. As extremepc's stated, the layoffs will be in Eruope and North America to open up positions with lower pay and less benifits in 3rd world countries.

 

[Hiniberus]

[citation][nom]jhansonxi[/nom]I wonder how many worked on Kin and Courier.[/citation]

My thoughts exactly