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I can understand forbidding sending messages, and forbidding having cell phones, however I don't think they could put legal consequences on what you can't control receiving these messages. Otherwise I have people outside the school send legal 18+ picks to my enemies and tattle on them. That sounds awesome!!!
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Through all I'm concerned, the principal has absolutely no right to know what's on my phone. I'm I'm using a school computer or network, I understand that I have no expectation of privacy, but a private cell phone on a private network? Fuck off.
Kids will be kids.
(I'm not a student anymore, and I don't own a cell phone. This is my belief.)
Kids will be kids.
(I'm not a student anymore, and I don't own a cell phone. This is my belief.)
I am sorry, but there is a serious logic flaw in this from the get go. How in the hell can they make a rule that you can't receive an explicit text message? Why don't they make it illegal for your body to receive a bullet, or for you to get hit by space debris? How in the hell can they pass a rule restricting what the guilty has no control over? No wonder American students do so poorly relative to foreign students. The school faculties are full of morons.
[citation][nom]mcreskiller[/nom]they need to put radio interference in schools or emp so when you walk in the cell phones turn off and when you walk out they come back on mahaha[/citation]
Fortunately, or unfortunately, it is a violation of federal law in the United States to interfere, actively, with a legally licensed radio transmission. In a nut-shell, cell jamming by way of an electronic device is illegal. What is legal, but prohibitively expensive, is to create a Faraday shield (also called a Faraday cage) by having windows, doors and walls implanted or covered with a mesh of conducting material. Done properly, you will have NO radio signals of any type inside.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, it is a violation of federal law in the United States to interfere, actively, with a legally licensed radio transmission. In a nut-shell, cell jamming by way of an electronic device is illegal. What is legal, but prohibitively expensive, is to create a Faraday shield (also called a Faraday cage) by having windows, doors and walls implanted or covered with a mesh of conducting material. Done properly, you will have NO radio signals of any type inside.
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[citation][nom]joemess[/nom]I am sorry, but there is a serious logic flaw in this from the get go. How in the hell can they make a rule that you can't receive an explicit text message? Why don't they make it illegal for your body to receive a bullet, or for you to get hit by space debris? How in the hell can they pass a rule restricting what the guilty has no control over? No wonder American students do so poorly relative to foreign students. The school faculties are full of morons.[/citation]
Just like the rules saying you can't bring Playboy to school, they can make rules saying you can't look at explicit content on your cellphone as well.
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Why does a kid need a cellphone many who've commented on this story have asked? Well my son has one because he plays football and I work 45 minutes away from his school. You never know if there is going to be someone in the office after school or how late they'll be there. Also, if he's at an away game and I'm tied up with work and can't attend or make it to the game on time, he calls me from the bus when he's getting close to home, so I can go pick him up from school.
There are many reasons it is convenient for children to have cell phones at school. Besides the reasons listed above, if he has an emergency he can call me, or I can call him if I need to get a hold of him. Instead of depending on a student aide or office assistant to get him the message, which aren't always the most reliable.
He also knows he's not allowed to use it during class and it is to say in his locker during school. He never gets into trouble, so I have absolutely no worries about him using it when he's not supposed to. Being a single father it has helped make both of our lives much easier to stay in touch when I'm at work and he's at school.
Could we get by without it? Yeah, we could. Does it make our already tough situation much easier? Yes it does. There are many reasons kids have cell phones in school, just because you or I didn't have one when we were in school, doesn't mean they shouldn't now.
Just like the rules saying you can't bring Playboy to school, they can make rules saying you can't look at explicit content on your cellphone as well.
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Why does a kid need a cellphone many who've commented on this story have asked? Well my son has one because he plays football and I work 45 minutes away from his school. You never know if there is going to be someone in the office after school or how late they'll be there. Also, if he's at an away game and I'm tied up with work and can't attend or make it to the game on time, he calls me from the bus when he's getting close to home, so I can go pick him up from school.
There are many reasons it is convenient for children to have cell phones at school. Besides the reasons listed above, if he has an emergency he can call me, or I can call him if I need to get a hold of him. Instead of depending on a student aide or office assistant to get him the message, which aren't always the most reliable.
He also knows he's not allowed to use it during class and it is to say in his locker during school. He never gets into trouble, so I have absolutely no worries about him using it when he's not supposed to. Being a single father it has helped make both of our lives much easier to stay in touch when I'm at work and he's at school.
Could we get by without it? Yeah, we could. Does it make our already tough situation much easier? Yes it does. There are many reasons kids have cell phones in school, just because you or I didn't have one when we were in school, doesn't mean they shouldn't now.
[citation][nom]Belardo[/nom]Oh... not as an insult. You don't know WHAT your teenage kids are doing unless you have a security camera in their rooms (eww) and watching them 24/7. I've parties with quite a few "Christian" college girls and asked them "ER? Isn't that a Christian University?" their response "I'm NOT that Christian".[/citation]
Fair to say. However, I do know my kids. Only one of my kids has their own cell phone, my son who is 17. My daughters aren't interested in having their own cell phone and my oldest daughter, who is 19, only takes one of the family phones (we have a couple of generic cell phones that anyone can take if they're going to be out of the house) when she goes some place. They each have their own computer in their own room. They know that I am lord and master of our computer network and that I can see what they are doing any time I want (though I won't unless I have reason to believe something is amiss). The only phones that have txt'ing plans are mine and my wife's, and I regularly monitor the call logs for all of the cell phones (we don't have a land line). So, yes, I can honestly say that I have a pretty good read on what my children are doing every hour of every day.
Fair to say. However, I do know my kids. Only one of my kids has their own cell phone, my son who is 17. My daughters aren't interested in having their own cell phone and my oldest daughter, who is 19, only takes one of the family phones (we have a couple of generic cell phones that anyone can take if they're going to be out of the house) when she goes some place. They each have their own computer in their own room. They know that I am lord and master of our computer network and that I can see what they are doing any time I want (though I won't unless I have reason to believe something is amiss). The only phones that have txt'ing plans are mine and my wife's, and I regularly monitor the call logs for all of the cell phones (we don't have a land line). So, yes, I can honestly say that I have a pretty good read on what my children are doing every hour of every day.
[citation][nom]waffle911[/nom]It's the potential for such material, which is illegal in and of itself, to be distributed. Then anyone who isn't themselves underage would have access. "Relations" would be a whole lot more private and likely wouldn't result in lasting pornographic evidence that could then be distributed. Not to mention it is illegal for minors (under 18) to have access to pornographic material as it is; having the subject matter being underage as well doesn't make it any less illegal.[/citation]
I understand the need to protect children. They are immature and take silly risk. That being said, I simply fail to understand a restriction against photographing yourself. Making laws preventing this are absurd. Also, we all know making restrictions on something makes it all the more desirable for teens to do that "something". Yes, the photos may find themselves in the wrong hands, and that certainly is a problem. In the end, silly rules like these won't end the problems we face when protecting under-aged people. I mean, really, are you going to jail a child for taking inappropriate photos of themselves or a child who has such a photo of another child? Isn't that missing the point? Protecting children was the goal, not hurting them.
I understand the need to protect children. They are immature and take silly risk. That being said, I simply fail to understand a restriction against photographing yourself. Making laws preventing this are absurd. Also, we all know making restrictions on something makes it all the more desirable for teens to do that "something". Yes, the photos may find themselves in the wrong hands, and that certainly is a problem. In the end, silly rules like these won't end the problems we face when protecting under-aged people. I mean, really, are you going to jail a child for taking inappropriate photos of themselves or a child who has such a photo of another child? Isn't that missing the point? Protecting children was the goal, not hurting them.
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LOL internets arguments.
Also, chronological age has always been a poor metric for biological and mental development, so the whole argument is silly because the system is based on conforming. Those who don't act like everybody else and do exactly as everybody else does at the same age get stepped on until they do what they're told. I've seen many examples of it and experienced it myself.
The biggest problem is that while our technology has grown, our society hasn't progressed nearly as quickly, so our archaic forms of thinking are getting blindsided by entirely different lifestyles that are evolving every year at exponential rates. *shrug* At the end of the day we're all still those stupid apes running around beating each other over the heads with bones like in 2001.
Also, chronological age has always been a poor metric for biological and mental development, so the whole argument is silly because the system is based on conforming. Those who don't act like everybody else and do exactly as everybody else does at the same age get stepped on until they do what they're told. I've seen many examples of it and experienced it myself.
The biggest problem is that while our technology has grown, our society hasn't progressed nearly as quickly, so our archaic forms of thinking are getting blindsided by entirely different lifestyles that are evolving every year at exponential rates. *shrug* At the end of the day we're all still those stupid apes running around beating each other over the heads with bones like in 2001.
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[citation][nom]TunaSoda[/nom]Since when is being naked considered porn?[/citation]
http
/legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pornography
Only in the case of arbitrary decisions on morality and substance that the government makes.
http
/legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/PornographyOnly in the case of arbitrary decisions on morality and substance that the government makes.
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[citation][nom]michaelahess[/nom]My kids will hate me, they will never have cell phones in school, even if they pay for them by themselves. Dumbest idea in the world. I was distracted enough by my TI-92 and TI-85, but at least I had to learn how to put another OS on them to play my games Learning, it's a wonderful thing.[/citation]
+1 simply for the parallel to the TI graphics calculators?
Wow...those things distracted me to no end while I was in high school! I guess I'm getting old (just turned 30 this month), and I still don't understand why cell phones are allowed in school...
BTW: if you want to rate me down for not understanding why cell phones are not allowed in school, by all means do so, but at least educate me (and perhaps others) to help us understand...
+1 simply for the parallel to the TI graphics calculators?
Wow...those things distracted me to no end while I was in high school! I guess I'm getting old (just turned 30 this month), and I still don't understand why cell phones are allowed in school...
BTW: if you want to rate me down for not understanding why cell phones are not allowed in school, by all means do so, but at least educate me (and perhaps others) to help us understand...
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[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]Being a single father it has helped make both of our lives much easier to stay in touch when I'm at work and he's at school.Could we get by without it? Yeah, we could. Does it make our already tough situation much easier? Yes it does. There are many reasons kids have cell phones in school, just because you or I didn't have one when we were in school, doesn't mean they shouldn't now.[/citation]
Almost fair enough.
I'm sure it's tough being a single parent, but this scenario does sound too situational, as there are other options for parental contact (go to the office and use the phone there, for example).
I'm not trying to sound like an old-timer (and I probably am sounding like one), but do the benefits of cell phones in schools outweigh the drawbacks?
Almost fair enough.
I'm sure it's tough being a single parent, but this scenario does sound too situational, as there are other options for parental contact (go to the office and use the phone there, for example).
I'm not trying to sound like an old-timer (and I probably am sounding like one), but do the benefits of cell phones in schools outweigh the drawbacks?
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[citation][nom]killerb255[/nom]+1 simply for the parallel to the TI graphics calculators? Wow...those things distracted me to no end while I was in high school! I guess I'm getting old (just turned 30 this month), and I still don't understand why cell phones are allowed in school...BTW: if you want to rate me down for not understanding why cell phones are not allowed in school, by all means do so, but at least educate me (and perhaps others) to help us understand...[/citation]
Teens are allowed to bring cellphones to school for the same reason everyone carries a cellphone: to communicate with other from a distance without having to rely on stationary phones. Whether you use the phone responsibly is a different question. Using a phone in class is obviously disturbing to the educational process for the phone user and other classmates, besides being simply rude. In those situations, usually a teacher would take the phone from the child for the rest of the class or day. That being said, many high school students drive to school or participate in after school activities, making a cell phone important when contacting family members of their whereabouts, or how late they will come home. The real question should be why shouldn't kids bring cell phones to school? If their parents allow it, the school shouldn't restrict their usage unless it causes a problem in class. I am sure most students don't text in class, and know for a fact that many adults use cell phones during their working hours for purposes other than work. So, really, why would we restrict students from carrying cell phones? The damage it causes is much less severe than most people here have stated. Most intelligent students will know their priorities and turn the cellphone off, while the not so smart students won't pay attention whether they have a phone or not. Maybe a better idea would be to teach students to be more self motivated instead of forcing them into submission.
Teens are allowed to bring cellphones to school for the same reason everyone carries a cellphone: to communicate with other from a distance without having to rely on stationary phones. Whether you use the phone responsibly is a different question. Using a phone in class is obviously disturbing to the educational process for the phone user and other classmates, besides being simply rude. In those situations, usually a teacher would take the phone from the child for the rest of the class or day. That being said, many high school students drive to school or participate in after school activities, making a cell phone important when contacting family members of their whereabouts, or how late they will come home. The real question should be why shouldn't kids bring cell phones to school? If their parents allow it, the school shouldn't restrict their usage unless it causes a problem in class. I am sure most students don't text in class, and know for a fact that many adults use cell phones during their working hours for purposes other than work. So, really, why would we restrict students from carrying cell phones? The damage it causes is much less severe than most people here have stated. Most intelligent students will know their priorities and turn the cellphone off, while the not so smart students won't pay attention whether they have a phone or not. Maybe a better idea would be to teach students to be more self motivated instead of forcing them into submission.
[citation][nom]Hanin33[/nom]call me old fashioned... but i still don't understand why school children even need a cell phone with a camera on it much less a cell phone at all. never needed them before and have yet to see a valid reason for them yet.[/citation]
Lol.
you have no idea why? people are so paranoid about their kids getting lost, and you cant see why parents let teens have them?
I got one from my parents about 2 days after I missed the place where my parents were supposed to pick me up after school. 5 hours later they finally found me (I live in France went to school in Switzerland - I was sitting in the border guards office drinking (coke) and playing cards!). it took me a while to get them on the phone, as i didnt know their mobile # only the house #.
Needless to say, my parents bought into the idea that a mobile phone is usefull to have, even for teenagers. (limited contract - couldnt go over 1 hour of calls a month).
Lol.
you have no idea why? people are so paranoid about their kids getting lost, and you cant see why parents let teens have them?
I got one from my parents about 2 days after I missed the place where my parents were supposed to pick me up after school. 5 hours later they finally found me (I live in France went to school in Switzerland - I was sitting in the border guards office drinking (coke) and playing cards!). it took me a while to get them on the phone, as i didnt know their mobile # only the house #.
Needless to say, my parents bought into the idea that a mobile phone is usefull to have, even for teenagers. (limited contract - couldnt go over 1 hour of calls a month).
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