Nokia Cutting 10,000 Jobs in Global Restructuring Effort

[JMcEntegart]

Nokia announces cuts as part of restructuring efforts.

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[nebun]

Microsoft will buy them out once the company becomes desperate for money...it's bound to happen

 

[_TuxUser_]

All the 10000 can thank Mr Elop and Microsoft for loosing their jobs, the first year with WP has cost 4 Milliard (Billion for you who use the short form) EUR and every sold Lumia device sold in US is a pure loss.
Microsoft don't need to buy Nokia, they have already access to all the patents, unless they want the Nokia factories. As Mr Elop has already destroyed the Nokia infrastructure and did manage to alienate the carriers with the switch over to WP only and breaking agreements with two of the world largest carriers (yes, you guess right, they don't sell Lumia), there isn't much else of value left in Nokia and Microsoft want to build things in cheaper factories, which would make the Nokia factories less interesting for Microsoft.

Have to ask who in the hell is so stupid as to pay US$20+ for each manufactured device in license fees, when you had 3 own operating systems which all had more functionality and a lot more loved by the broad public and real critics (too many Lumia reviews has been written by Microsoft employees), the only answer is a brainwashed former Microsoft employee who still gets payed by Microsoft.

 

[nebun]

[citation][nom]_TuxUser_[/nom]All the 10000 can thank Mr Elop and Microsoft for loosing their jobs, the first year with WP has cost 4 Milliard (Billion for you who use the short form) EUR and every sold Lumia device sold in US is a pure loss. Microsoft don't need to buy Nokia, they have already access to all the patents, unless they want the Nokia factories. As Mr Elop has already destroyed the Nokia infrastructure and did manage to alienate the carriers with the switch over to WP only and breaking agreements with two of the world largest carriers (yes, you guess right, they don't sell Lumia), there isn't much else of value left in Nokia and Microsoft want to build things in cheaper factories, which would make the Nokia factories less interesting for Microsoft.Have to ask who in the hell is so stupid as to pay US$20+ for each manufactured device in license fees, when you had 3 own operating systems which all had more functionality and a lot more loved by the broad public and real critics (too many Lumia reviews has been written by Microsoft employees), the only answer is a brainwashed former Microsoft employee who still gets payed by Microsoft.[/citation]
lol...i see your point...if Microsoft does decide to purchase Nokia they might just sell the factories or start making their own hardware like Apple...wait apple does have it's own hardware factories

 

[Kami3k]

Did nebun just say Apple makes their own stuff?

LMFAO

 

[_TuxUser_]

@Kami3k
Foxconn has factories dedicated only for Apple and Apple "oversees" the production at those factories, so it's kind of Apples own factories, but they don't have the cost of owning the factories and they can blame the bad working environment on a 3rd party.

@nebun
I think Microsoft will be using Compal Electronics, in a kind of similar way as Apple uses Foxconn. A lot easier to get out of the cellphone market when the market share is back on 0.2%.

 

[whimseh]

Nokia is still around?

 

[DjEaZy]

[citation][nom]_TuxUser_[/nom]@Kami3kFoxconn has factories dedicated only for Apple and Apple "oversees" the production at those factories, so it's kind of Apples own factories, but they don't have the cost of owning the factories and they can blame the bad working environment on a 3rd party.@nebunI think Microsoft will be using Compal Electronics, in a kind of similar way as Apple uses Foxconn. A lot easier to get out of the cellphone market when the market share is back on 0.2%.[/citation]
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn

 

[DjEaZy]

... M$'s WP7 didn't help them, so it's could be a be a glimpse, what is to come with M$'s metro ui B$... it will be a good year for android phone and tablet manufacturers and for iOS and MAC's... M$, Nokia, RiM will struggle now, because only the brand just don't cut it anymore...

 

[seektaobao]

This news was shocked us very much.How about so many people's lost their jobs?So we are should ready for all,such do small business on your local place,where to import the products?taobao is a large warehouse for you,but you should make orders from taobao english site,thanks

 

[elusion11]

[citation][nom]DjEaZy[/nom]... M$'s WP7 didn't help them, so it's could be a be a glimpse, what is to come with M$'s metro ui B$... it will be a good year for android phone and tablet manufacturers and for iOS and MAC's... M$, Nokia, RiM will struggle now, because only the brand just don't cut it anymore...[/citation]

boy you are thick, Lumia800 and Lumia900 are selling like hot cakes, wp7 are doing very well at the moment. get your facts straight before posting next time. troll.

 

[_TuxUser_]

[citation][nom]elusion11[/nom]boy you are thick, Lumia800 and Lumia900 are selling like hot cakes, wp7 are doing very well at the moment. get your facts straight before posting next time. troll.[/citation]

I have to disagree with you, sales of Lumia (all versions) during 2011Q4/2012Q1 was one third of the sales of N9. According to Mr Elop the sales of Lumia has been a big disappointment. They had to cut the price in the US market which mean each sold unit in the US market is just a big loss for Nokia, if you want to help Nokia today, don't buy a Lumia (the situation is the same as it was for Ericsson back in 2000/2001 and today Ericsson ain't involved in cellphones).

I guess you are reading those blog posts written by Microsoft employees how Lumia is outselling iPhone in China, no one I know in China has yet seen a Lumia and even if they had seen one, they aren't interested (lack of Chinese support in WP).

 

[eddieroolz]

This is a good move. Nokia was becoming a large company with a large number of dead weight - this happens to any company that grows this large. It's time to shed some of that.

 

[nebun]

[citation][nom]Kami3k[/nom]Did nebun just say Apple makes their own stuff?LMFAO[/citation]
to some extent yes...lol...some of the stuff is built by other companies

 

[doron]

Wow so much hatred. Nokia used to be the best of the best a few years a go, and right now they're obviously far from it. So this "re-structuring" was bound to happen at some point.

I really don't see why you talk about Nokia / MS like this. They offer competitive products at very compelling prices (sometimes at no cost) and this is great news for consumers. They diversify the market and bring more competition. Microsoft's CEO said the company came to the mobile market too late, so he's willing to lose money for the next few years, and I wouldn't worry about Microsoft's running out of cash, yet some people here choose to focus mostly about the financial aspects / consequences of this collaboration.

Steve Wozniak said that he prefers the Lumia 900 over his iPhone 4S / Galaxy Nexus, so that in itself speaks volume on the quality and success of the OS and the Lumia brand. All they need is more mind-share and user-base, which is bound to happen in the not-to-distant future, if they keep it up.

 

[Shin-san]

[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]to some extent yes...lol...some of the stuff is built by other companies[/citation]More like almost all of their stuff is made by outsourced companies, including Foxconn, known for putting up suicide nets at their factories

 

[_TuxUser_]

@doron
If looking just from the feature point of view WP vs Symbian, WP lacks quite many of the most liked features in a Nokia phone, which makes a "dump phone" from Nokia has features which Lumia lacks and in German media they recommended people to go to Austria and buy a N9 instead of a Lumia (N9 was never sold in Germany).
Of course the sales will suffer if you introduce an inferior product than you had before, and if you can't talk nicely with carriers (Microsoft has a bad reputation, worse than Apple among the carriers), then the carriers will not promote your product, and if you also are involved in a product which makes the carriers loose money, then they will be even more against your product.

Microsoft entered the mobile phone market long time before Apple, they had a time with 12% market share, but products been less desired than Symbian, and before the Nokias Lumia, the market share has fallen down to 2.2%, sure being up at 2.4% must feel good for Microsoft , but for each day Nokia is on this track, it costs them 11 million Euro per day and having all the eggs in one basket, had Mr Elop had any brains, he would have kept MeeGo and sold the N9 world wide and seen to have the N950 also mass manufactured, he should have kept Meltami for the development countries and he should NEVER written that memo of his (the memo caused the Elop effect and is the worst thing a CEO can do). Spreading out the risks, you will not get big losses and it gives you the chance to move away from heavy loss markets like the WP.

Steven Wozniak was comparing Android and WP, his favourite cellphone is still is the iPhone and he seems to like the N9 design, which the Lumia 800 and 900 are just ripoffs, keep in mind that the 800 isn't a real Nokia, but made by Compal branded as Nokia and has a lot of technical problems.

Microsoft may have time to "bleed", as they don't have to spend real money, it's Nokia who is bleeding and they will not be alive for long if they bleed in this way. The only one who gained of this is Microsoft, they got 0.2% more in market share and they got the right to use all Nokia patents. Nokia is bleeding a lot cause they sell their phones under the production cost, there will be no way to make profit on those WP units, not even if they didn't have to pay those US$20 for each manufactured unit.

Nokia had the most loyal user base of all the mobile brands, until Lumia, old customers are now switching to other brands like Samsung, who has been a good copy cat, who did make WP but is phasing it away as there is no profit and no user really wanting those phones, they did take the remnants of MeeGo and renamed it to Tizen and will not take too long to see Tizen units from Samsung. I bet you will see those become more popular than the WP.

And Samsung may even buy Nokia, just to get a thorn into Apples side, so that Apple will be paying Samsung royalty for each iPhone.

 

[walter87]

[citation][nom]_TuxUser_[/nom]@Kami3kFoxconn has factories dedicated only for Apple and Apple "oversees" the production at those factories, so it's kind of Apples own factories, but they don't have the cost of owning the factories and they can blame the bad working environment on a 3rd party.@nebunI think Microsoft will be using Compal Electronics, in a kind of similar way as Apple uses Foxconn. A lot easier to get out of the cellphone market when the market share is back on 0.2%.[/citation]
Foxconn is a massive manufacturing company with several dedicated factories for Apple, Microsoft's Xbox 360, Dell, etc...many electronic companies have to some degree tie-ins with Foxconn.

The only reason for the 'dedicated' aspect is because, for one, its easier to manufacture complete units in the same factory, and two, theres more control/security when building brand new devices that are not announced yet. It would be far easier for leaks of information if you had one factory developing competitive electronics in the same facility.

 

[tomfreak]

the only restruction they need to do now is to release an Android Lumia phone. Stupid being a dick to Android. Everyone else is on it already.

 

[kartu]

Every time I see such news about Nokia, I keep asking myself, HOW ON EARTH CRAP ON THIS COULD BE HAPPENING?|??It ain't about some lunatic patent system, no government is involved at all, there are SHAREHOLDERS, so what on Earth are they thinking, when they try to turn mobile hardware giant into Microsoft's (company has merely couple % of the market) delivery boy?

Why guys, WHY are you doing this !#@$#@? What happened to the plan to have sexy multiplatform smartphone? (I saw it on this very site)