Obama Announces NSA Spying Reforms

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MajinCry

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Does anyone actually believe that it matters who is America's President? They've all been puppets since JFK's assassination.
 

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So... he's going back to where Bush had it in 2007? Except that's also when Bush cited Congress' failure to properly legalize everything to his standards and SHUT DOWN the NSA spying program.

Everyone hated Bush, but Obama's way worse in this regard... even with these reforms.
 

acadia11

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This is fact, the US government does show significant restraint, but he makes an excellent point, frankly, the government doesn't care about what most people are doing. There is simply too much data and to what ends would watching serve?

Finally, the government doesn't need to spy on everyone because fact is most of us simply put all our business out there, from face book, to twitter, writing blogs, to reality television. Big brother doesn' t need to watch in fact he probably has to try pretty hard to not watch you.
 

acadia11

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For those people who "I don't believe you Obama".

Uhmmm .. note to history, these programs were created in 2001 and 2002, by none other than Dick Cheney, who expressly saw the creation of PRISM. So, while you think this "spying" capability is new, it's not, and wasn't even the creation of this administration.
 

acadia11

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"ethanolson , August 9, 2013 3:23 PM

So... he's going back to where Bush had it in 2007? Except that's also when Bush cited Congress' failure to properly legalize everything to his standards and SHUT DOWN the NSA spying program.

Everyone hated Bush, but Obama's way worse in this regard... even with these reforms."

Does anyone do any research before commenting. These programs were not created by Obama neither were the FISA courts. Dick Cheney was the architect of the NSA program s in 2001 and 2002. Finally, Patriot Act was a creation of Bush Administration more over it's an act of congress, the president, can't just create laws.
 

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In the information age, there is no such thing as watching from the sidelines. Everyone plays ball weather they want to or not. When you boil it all down, its so easy to invade someones private life, legislation and oversight will mean nothing.

In 30 minutes anyone with half a brain, enough Linux experience to log in, access to Google and a laptop can hack the average Joe and track or pull the logs of almost everything Joe does. Tax Returns, credit cards, every person Joe text's or call's, email's, Facebook's etc...

Unless you do business in a padded lead room surrounded by a Faraday cage, there is no such thing as privacy. As for expectation of privacy, good luck.
 

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LOL Government would never had said anything about these programs if Snowden hadn't leaked it out. How is anything they say supposed to be believed? Anyone who trusts this administration (or any since Eisenhower) is about as gullible as a 2yo. Left, right, it doesn't matter. Just two heads of the same snake. Hating Bush, Clinton, Obama, or any other president is just a waste. The largest economic powerhouse in history with the most deadly military ever known to man is controlled by common yokels? LMAO We're all just proles...
 

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"Given the history of abuse by governments..."
And yes, that's why everyone thinks politicians speak w/ forked tongues :p

The history of politicians stomping on the Bill of Rights started w/ the 2nd Amendment, which was my early warning system...they did it w/ impugnity because people hated guns.
Now they're doing it w/ the rest of the Amendments and it's *far* more flagrant because they don't care if they get caught any more. They started this w/ the Patriot Act and have continued doing anything they can w/ every crisis that happens. This hopefully is obvious to people now and they'll just vote all the career politicians out. (hey, I can dream :)
 

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-> acadia11

"Does anyone do any research before commenting."

Obama has had to be recalled from the golf course and vacation for many of his accomplishments. In all of this, he has done nothing to curtail any of the supposed Bush administration wrongdoings. He has his own axe to grind, as has his predecessors, and just puts out fires as his press people see the need.

It is truly disappointing to know how poorly American's so-called rights have been handled, regardless of which administration it is. Is it any wonder that other countries don't appreciate having that so-called rights infrastructure thrust upon them?
 

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Honestly, there really is no need for the US Government to use the NSA to spy on Americans through the internet. All internet traffic throughout the US goes through a line controlled by the FCC unless its inter-ISP. They have the authority to look at the data that travels through their property without restraint, as a business owner has the right to listen to conversations happening in their shop. Usage of someone's property gives them the authority to issue how their property is used.
Personally, I think Obama has been the second worst President in US history at robbing rights from the US Citizens. Second only to Franklin Roosevelt.
 

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"America is not interested in spying on ordinary people," Obama said. "We have significant capabilities. We show restraint many governments don't even think to show or consider."

It doesn't matter how much restraint the current government shows, only the capability matters. The Obama Administration won't be around forever, and we won't always have angels in the office. If the government is granted power that can be abused it WILL EVENTUALLY BE ABUSED.

acadia11, you better be glad we don't deport for stupidity.
 

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The United States is at a crossroads. We can either squash this blatant violation of our rights, or we can simply lay down and allow them to be stripped from us.

Where is Anon when it really counts?
 
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