Obama Gives iPod to Queen of England

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]The_Blood_Raven[/nom]Wow you need to get out. Starting a political rant when there was none.[/citation]
I wasn't the first to bring up Politics. Obama's a Mactard, and I don't like that.

[citation][nom]The_Blood_Raven[/nom] When Chrysler goes under I want you to tell me it was better to my face as millions lose their jobs.[/citation]
The reason those companies went under is because of an overly powerful union. By bailing them out, we allow that Union to continue. There are certain lines each side cannot cross without consequences.

If a company doesn't pay their workers enough, they will no longer have a work force, and go out of business. However, if I union gets wages up so high that the company can no longer turn a profit, the company goes out of business.

Those Autoworkers were being paid $80/hour. Well above living wage. To do what? work on an assembly line. It's the Unions fault for being selfish, and the Business's fault for allowing them to go that far. We need to make an example, rather than letting an overbearing Union continue.

 

[Cuddles]

Funny how people who don't like seeing our Country spending 4.3 Trillion Dollars in a single year, to see a one party Goverment, to see the Goverment try to take over the Healthcare, Financial, and Auto Industries must be a Republican. Look up the word Fascism and then take a look at what our Goverment is headed towards. It doesn't take a Republican or Democrat not to like what is happening, it takes an American.
On the iPod thing. First the shrug off, then nonworking DvD's, and now the iPod. Are we trying to destroy our diplomatic ties? How could this not be an embarressment? Now we are going to have to send an apoligy letter to the Queen asking her to forgive our President.

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]Cuddles[/nom]Funny how people who don't like seeing our Country spending 4.3 Trillion Dollars in a single year, to see a one party Goverment, to see the Goverment try to take over the Healthcare, Financial, and Auto Industries must be a Republican. Look up the word Fascism and then take a look at what our Goverment is headed towards. It doesn't take a Republican or Democrat not to like what is happening, it takes an American.[/citation]
QFT!

Excuse me for not crying when people making ~$160,000 a year lose their jobs. I know if I were making that much, I would have something stashed away. When I was a kid, the only breadwinner in my house was only made $20,000. We got by on an eight of an autoworkers salary (This was a 5 person household in 2004).

[citation][nom]Cuddles[/nom]Now we are going to have to send an apology letter to the Queen asking her to forgive our President.[/citation]
Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[sonofliberty08]

why don't buy her a Wii ?

 

[Tindytim]

[citation][nom]sonofliberty08[/nom]why don't buy her a Wii ?[/citation]
I can feel the heat of rage building up inside me.

 

[njalterio]

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]QFT!Excuse me for not crying when people making ~$160,000 a year lose their jobs. I know if I were making that much, I would have something stashed away. When I was a kid, the only breadwinner in my house was only made $20,000. We got by on an eight of an autoworkers salary (This was a 5 person household in 2004).Wouldn't be the first time.[/citation]

Here we go again. Another moron who thinks UAW workers get $70 an hour. Those figures are hugely inflated. In reality, they make $28.50 an hour. With benefits tacked on, it's another $10 an hour.
$70 an hour includes the pay and benefits for a worker, AND if you the share of the pension for retirees.

http/www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/24/opinion/main4630103.shtml

Is this outrageous? Not really. This means UAW workers get about $60 grand a year, and good health insurance. Adding the pension cost on there is not really accurate, because that worker is not getting that pension, they are just talking about the total of the cost of the pension distributed to active employees.

Is this more than it should be? Definitely, but don't spread B.S. like autoworkers are making $160,000 a year.

Were you a kid during the 70s? If so, that $20K salary your dad made is worth almost $100K today, more if it was earlier. http/www.westegg.com/inflation/

 

[Tindytim]

[nom]njalterio[/nom]Definitely, but don't spread B.S. like autoworkers are making $160,000 a year.[/citation]
I was unaware those figures included pension. That still doesn't change that fact that these people were being paid extremely well for working on an assembly line.

[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]Were you a kid during the 70s?[/citation]
Maybe you missed the part where I said:
[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom](This was a 5 person household in 2004)[/citation]

[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]If so, that $20K salary your dad made[/citation]
Who said anything about my father?

 

[Cuddles]

None of this will change the fact that twenty years from now President Obama will look back and say, "I gave the Queen of England a f'ing iPod. What the hell was I thinking..."
The President of the U.S. is supposed to be a reflection of the entire United States and the reflection of the U.S. isn't an iPod and yes I know it was some iPod with the Queens last trip with special music. That still isn't us.
I believe that anybody here who had a chance to meet the Queen of England would try to give her a gift that not just reflects the person you are but all of us. The gift would be special and would have a meaning far greater than any normal gift. It would be a reflection of what Britain has meant to all of us and a thank you for being at our side.
When the Prime Minister was first snubbed, then given worthless DvD's, the American People sent over 200,000 cards saying we were sorry for the treatment he had recieved at our Presidents hands. I am sure the Queen will find out how much she trully means to us and will find out how generous and kind our people really are.
Still our President is becoming an embarressment and our hands are going to get pretty tired if we have to keep writing apoligies to everyone our President meets for the next four years.
Our President needs to realise that he is a reflection of our country and needs to act like it.

 

[thepinkpanther]

i hope obama gave her an ipod thats the color of her heart : black!

 

[reapper]

It does seem a little embarrassing to give o cheap toy with photos to the queen. On the other hand what do you call the autographed portrait of herself? ;] It would be interesting what You wold suggest he would have given Her Majesty as a gift? Remember that these gifts have a certain function and it isn't shoelicking.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

I find it rather amusing when tindy uses a word like axis in a post, just after reading one about him and ss .... sure he used it with another meaning, but still.

Anyhow, if nationalized healthcare means the goverment runs the hospitals and stuff, then I'd expect it to be a good thing. That's how it works here in denmark, and I'm rather liking it to be honest. If I had to pay for getting my nose fixed out of my own pocket, I'd never afford it, if I had to pay for my other small problems myself I'd be unable to afford a car. And with a mother in a wheelchair I can say it is a really good system, as it gives rich and poor equal chances. And my parents are definetly not in the rich group, so I like equality.

As for obama gifting an ipod being good or bad - well something that cheap can't truely be bad can it? It shows he cares. He doesn't just hand out the same thing as always, and he tries to impress. Works? no idea, but he tries. And imo a boss, or president for that matter, that is actively trying to archieve something good, is a good boss. Even if it doesn't work out. On the other hand, an ape like bush who doesn't even try to solve problems won't harvest much respect in my world. It's okay to fail if you tried to do the right thing. It's not okay to not even try.

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

[citation][nom]thepinkpanther[/nom]i hope obama gave her an ipod thats the color of her heart : black![/citation]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that the Queen has a black heart. How bizarre.

 

[Guest]

"I can feel the heat of rage building up inside me." that made me lol tindy, as I use that expression +drop-kicking babies.
I would find it hilarious if the ipod was loaded with viri by 'accident', stealing national secrets?!

I'm not sure what to make of national healthcare. On one hand I think that a lot of people are denied the medical treatment they need to LIVE because they don't have insurance/wads of cash. On the other hand, I don't want to help finance murder, ie: killing babies through abortion. I'm a mid 20's male and have chose to not have sex until I'm married. Abortion is not contraception. (Although, things such as rape, fall under a different category IMHO)

 

[Guest]

seems like an april foolsday article.

 

[blackened144]

[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom] Anyhow, if nationalized healthcare means the goverment runs the hospitals and stuff, then I'd expect it to be a good thing. That's how it works here in denmark, and I'm rather liking it to be honest. If I had to pay for getting my nose fixed out of my own pocket, I'd never afford it, if I had to pay for my other small problems myself I'd be unable to afford a car. And with a mother in a wheelchair I can say it is a really good system, as it gives rich and poor equal chances[/citation]

Unless you have no job, you do NOT have free health care. Its taken directly out of each and every paycheck you get, its called taxes. And comparing national health care for a country with 5+million people and a country with 330+million people is not at all possible. Look at the state run health care systems in Massachusetts and California. Each state alone has more people than the entire country of Denmark and despite raising taxes like crazy to pay for the programs, each state's health care program is in the tank. Also, I hope that your mother in a wheelchair stays healthy. In national health care systems like yours, when people get to a certain age they get denied almost everything that could possible save their life.

 

[demonhorde665]

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]Oh god no! No! [/sarcasm]
Then you don't know ****. Anyone who went with the auto bailout doesn't know ****. Nationalized health care is a bad idea, that only sounds good on the surface.[/citation]


athe auto bail out was done and signed deal before obama got in office , after he did getin office he capped top execs salaries from any company that takes teh bail out money

 

[blackened144]

[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]athe auto bail out was done and signed deal before obama got in office , after he did getin office he capped top execs salaries from any company that takes teh bail out money[/citation]
You should read more before posting. The only bailout that was done before he got into office was the first TARP bailout, that was on President Bush's watch.

 

[blackened144]

[citation][nom]blackened144[/nom]You should read more before posting. The only bailout that was done before he got into office was the first TARP bailout, that was on President Bush's watch.[/citation]
Scratch that, maybe I shold read more before I post.. I was thinking about another vote.. Youre right, that vote was Dec 11th, when Bush was still in office.. He should have not signed off on that bill though, same as the previous TARP bailout..

 

[bin1127]

I hope an ipod as the greatest gift you can give the queen doesn't represent that american creativity and ingenuity he always boasts about. If so, america is dead. better start learning russian.

 

[czar1020]

Who gives a shit? hell is wrong with you fuck heads. If someone should be embarrassed it's them... A picture of herself .. thats ate up.