Pilot Who Refused Body Scan May Lose His Job

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[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]Ok, fight the Government and down with TSA, but really guys...why can't he just walk through a scanner? You can't see anything...they're not literally 12 mega-pixel, full color pictures of you nude...they're blurred out, junk quality images that only show obvious things like a hacksaw strapped to your chest. He just has to have a incredibly small penis is all. Something he's obviously insecure about. That, or he's hiding something... hermaphrodite?[/citation]

Perhaps this pilot, like the rest of us that are capable of thinking for ourselves, believes that he has a right to not have his privacy invaded by a government agent without cause. You know, the U.S. Constitution covers this topic, in rather great detail, and the U.S. Constitution does not cease working once a person enters an airport, or any other property, for that matter. You can give up cheering on the government so blindly, as it is not going to help you.

I say good for this pilot; it would be nice to see more pilots stand up to this ridiculous behavior. This is one, of many, reasons why I refuse to fly anywhere. It is a hassle and I refuse to give any government agent the ability to indiscriminately search me and my belongings.
 
And you know what? You're damn right if I own a multi-million dollar airplane that I'm going to search every one of you little conspiracy rats. You fly on my plane, you get your ass searched.

Would I be a "conspiracy rat" just for refusing, or having reservations? If you own a rich house on American soil, does that give you the right to violate the rights of Americans?

No one cares about the dildos in your bags, the lub in the zipper or how ungifted you may be. They're just looking for weapons and explosives.

I have none of those things, but I will tell you this. America has a nightmare in the form of a border with Mexico - weapons and explosives included. Millions of people are getting across unchecked. It's got so bad that the border region is a quite literally, a war zone.. drugs, guns, even the Mexican army.

Why is this being allowed to happen, despite public out-cry and anger over the impact?

The fact you're putting up a fuss over a very insignificant and relatively fast procedure makes me wonder what you're trying to conceal.

Then why the controversy, and why on this scale?

You either play by their rules or hit the road. You think I can enter a casino in Vegas right now and try telling them I refuse to let them search me if they ask? They'll take me in the back, beat my ass and then throw me in jail.

So because you own a private enterprise, that gives you the right to physically assault someone?

You think people wake up, go to work and think "Oh boy oh boy, can't wait to see some crap quality images in black and white of those people".


You people have some pretty creative imaginations.

You say other people have creative imaginations - which person (s) people are you claiming to know how they think?

The point? You comply, or you take a bus chump.

What a nice attitude you have towards fellow travelers (which you rantingly refer to as jackasses or chumps). Maybe you could try being a little more calm, subjective and well, respectful of people who have a right to question private interests especially when those interests are tasked with looking after the safety, security and privacy of the public at large.

Just because something is a private interest does not mean to say it has no accountability - these operations serve the public, please consider that.
 
Pilot thinks he's above the law and gets owned?
I love the American solution to this though, "Put more guns on planes."
 
[citation][nom]shovenose[/nom]lol i personally dont think the tsa agents deserve free porn. not kidding. im only 15, and i wonder what will happen next time i want to fly...i dont like this one bit.[/citation]

you legaly have no rights until you are 18.
i mean, you have human rights, but anything like i dont want this picture taken is all up to your parents. lets hope they dont want you to be photoed nude.
 
[citation][nom]montezuma[/nom]Perhaps this pilot, like the rest of us that are capable of thinking for ourselves, believes that he has a right to not have his privacy invaded by a government agent without cause. You know, the U.S. Constitution covers this topic, in rather great detail, and the U.S. Constitution does not cease working once a person enters an airport, or any other property, for that matter. You can give up cheering on the government so blindly, as it is not going to help you.I say good for this pilot; it would be nice to see more pilots stand up to this ridiculous behavior. This is one, of many, reasons why I refuse to fly anywhere. It is a hassle and I refuse to give any government agent the ability to indiscriminately search me and my belongings.[/citation]
What makes you think you or anyone else have the right to walk into a restricted area of a government facility (like an airport) and not get thoroughly searched?
 
[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]They told your husband he'd be increased to a substantial amount of radiation from flying right? Literally, while he's flying all the time, he's getting dosed with WAY more radiation than a normal person does. Him doing a nice days worth of flying seriously makes him a nice candidate of cancer. Now remind me, how many X-rays does it take before you have to start worrying?[/citation]

it depends on person to person, and how new of an xray scanner it is, as newer = less radiation, but its somewhere around 70000, to a hell of allot less depending. and thats not full body scans, with i believe are around 10000 times or less, due to more radiation.

and the "cosmic rays" i don't believe has ever been truly significant. there are different types of radiations, there is the ammount from uranium, where if you are exposed at all, you have cancer, to the cosmic rays which you are exposed to got hours, and hours and hours, and never have a negative side effect. lets put it another way. a 25fps movie with xray tech, would be about 46 minutes, and this isn't cancer causing amounts, this is you die from radiation poisoning amounts.

[citation][nom]techguy378[/nom]This pilot should lose his job. Just because someone works for an airline or works for a shop located past security at the airport doesn't make them exempt from getting screened. If anyone on here falls into these categories then I'm sure you were informed about airport screening procedures as part of your job training. It's probably implied that the screening procedures can change at any time. Maybe you and this pilot should have paid attention before taking that job.[/citation]

lets see here, the person you trust to fly the plane, compared to a concession stand worker... yea you make a very "valid" point

[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]You're going to have a really tough time for the rest of your life. You're making a mountain out of a MOLE HILL. This is a scanner or a pat down. It's there to ensure your brain still functions and doesn't wind up in a field, being burned by jet fuel and scattered from the impact. So let me just get this straight...what do you purpose? We just let every Joe, Dick, Harry and Sally walk through? How about bringing back that classic walking your loved one right up to their gate? What happens when people actually start blowing up planes and hijacking them? Worse yet, bringing guns, knives and every sort of odd end weapons? What do you suggest we do then? You're merely saying we should just not invade people's privacy and let all the screening go? So if everyone opts out, which they will if it's faster...what stops you from bringing a shot gun on the plane? I want to hear your alternatives. Since obviously we're doing such a horrendous thing by invading people's privacy and violating their constitutional rights (even though the forefathers could never have anticipated flight, nor the fact you're able to use the plane as a giant bomb). Yes, the general principal of unlawful search and seizure is correct, but you're saying you're not willing to comply, even if it means your motha-f'ing life? Mine also and the other 180-odd people. You need a CAT scan.[/citation]

here we go. 2 levels of clearance at the first gate.

metal detector and drug dog.

you pass, you can move on, you fail the metal decctor you get a red marker put on your face, and move over to the you faild line. this marker would be unremovable through conventional means you need a special solution, which is done once you pass the second metal detector.

this speeds up for everyone smart enough to remove metal objects form person.

now the next point if you pass, is the bag check and scan. and the other side with the bag check and scan will be separate.

now the third section, is where we profile you based on where you live, and skin color. is it wrong? possibly, but i dont see Americans hijacking Americans, i see other countries hijacking other countries.

this is a pat down, or a body scan like this, your pick, to make sure you don't have a cromatic knife, and that you don't have explosives.

and on every plane an air martial front and back, so no hostage situation is unhandleable.

there. i just increase efficiency on planes by 1000% and i saved you money by not needing people to re go through the same metal dector if it goes off, they can screw around in a different one.

o and in case of metal implants, like skull plate, you have a hand metal dector right before you get the marker on the face, so you can say why and you aren't inconvenienced by the other line.

 
[citation][nom]techguy378[/nom]What makes you think you or anyone else have the right to walk into a restricted area of a government facility (like an airport) and not get thoroughly searched?[/citation]

an airport is a privately owned entity, that is regulated by the government.
 
I believe we should hang all these TSA agents and the people who set these policies by the neck until they are dead. Literally, if I could sign a decree to make it so I would in a heart beat.
 
[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]Stop quoting my posts, It's getting annoying. Besides the fact, I hate when people break down posts to try and use context bending methods. So let me get this straight so I can get a yes or no answer from you....You issue here is privacy, more importantly your constitutional rights of not being searched, basically the 4th amendment. Really though, that isn't the issue, because you're still in favor of searching the bags and searching people's bodies for metal of any kind. So you're okay to searching, but to a certain degree? Let's just be open here and say you're not okay with someone seeing your small penis. We can assume this because one machine would make all of this so much easier. No dogs, no need for metal detectors that don't even work half the time (I know because I've accidentally had a pocket knife in my pocket and the damn handheld didn't even pick it up). You don't even bother arguing radiation, you simply don't want someone to be able to get a glimpse of you naked; even though we know this isn't like you stripped and having eye balls on you...it's more like having a black and white of just a what-would-be normal human outline that is merely present to look for weird shaped objects being concealed. Besides that, you're not really too much of a special cookie, because day after day and hour after hour...you're all going to start looking the same through that machine. You then suggest racial and ethnic profiling? Yeah, because it's only colored people who are at risk of terrorism...you could NEVER convince a white person of doing such heinous crimes...am I right? /sarcasm. You're from the South right? Or just hardcore Right wing? Which one is it? I know it's one of the two, or even both. Intrigue me on the answer please. You rather have pat downs vs imaging of your body? Wow, you really do have a small penis, or maybe some type of weird birth defect. Air marshals are typically on flights today by the way. Everything you've purposed as an alternative is basically what is currently going on, minus putting branding marks on people and open racial profiling. You're not against searching, questioning or safety, you're simply against having proof that you're either extremely ugly under clothes or are very ungifted. It's a shame that I'm tired and can't put my thoughts into words right now, because this isn't even funny, it's mostly scary how some of you people reason and try to rationalize.[/citation]

im just guessing that that is at mine. i live in Wisconsin, and if i had to have a political affiliation it would be libertarian. the airport around here, makes you go through the same metal detector over and over again holding up the line. having 2 check points, people who have passed, and people who failed go screw around in the fail check point.

now with profiling, i probably could have left out the skin color, but the 9/11 ones lived here long enough that a airplane ticket level background check would come up negative for concern. i know there are white terrorists, but the ones that really want to screw with us are from where? and are generally what race? with those two facts, you can expect to be inconvenienced a bit.

the branding marks as you so put it, are so people get thoroughly checked before on the plain, with a traffic jam of people, i can see a few who really want to get away with something able to get away with something.

now to be clear, our airports were ok for how long before 9/11? but than after, how much extra security do we have to have? they are doing everything but a cavity search and are trying to push us farther and farther than what we are ok with because of 9/11

and now, lets do this one

[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]Oh, and getting a white guy, with liquid explosives would be a pipe dream through your method. He passes the metal detector, the dogs isn't exactly hard to get around, either cover the scent or seal it to the point where it doesn't have a scent other than a normal plastic smell like a soda bottle. Then with both air marshals sitting in the plane, he goes BOOM, and everything you worked for is moot. Get rid of the metal scanners, the pat downs, the dogs, the racial profiling and simply walk through a machine. How can you literally get any faster than that? They will see any containers, weapons or weird objects without a problem. Then they take you off to their special place to find out what it is you have. Meanwhile everyone else just keeps walking. Seriously, just face it, you are insecure and think people care what you look like enough to stop the line just to laugh at you or something.[/citation]

if you really want to talk about the impossibilities like that. lets go one further. the guy comes to america, gets surgery, the surgery is to remove one lung, because you can live without one, or one kidnie, you can live without one. and in its place, they wrap c4 in a material that our body is ok with. now depending on how long its there, he may have scars or stitches, and can get through security. now all he has to do is get on the plain and however he has to detonate it he can do that close to the side of the plain, the plane goes down. now we have to either have full body xrays, with doctors there to be able to read them effectively, or we have to be strip searched, because that scanner wont pick it up. and in all fairness of not racially profiling you, everyone has to, not just the heightened risk people.

or how about someone manages to get a brick of c4 up there butt without it being detected. are you willing to do the random cavity search?

we can say extremes like that happen, and because of the possibility we have to take off out shoes now. if any of the above happen, be ready to touch your ankles.
 
[citation][nom]Travis Beane[/nom]I believe this is all bull.Can someone tell me when these broken laws are fixed so I can fly again?[/citation]

Travel by car or train instead. Might be slower, but at least privacy is an option.
 
Nobody should be subjected to those stupid policies. The no liquid thing was already laughable but this is just beyond ridiculous.

The only positive and useful change that came out of 911 were the new cockpit doors. Everything else was a astronomical waste of resources.
 
[citation][nom]Ragnar-Kon[/nom]The real question:Is there any country that isn't broken in some way? Probably not.On a side note, can we lessen the gigantic flash ads on these article pages? I feel like I'm playing a game of minesweeper with my mouse on every single article to avoid triggering a full screen advertisement popout. Driving me nuts. Might have to go re-enable my adblock extension if this keeps up.[/citation]
I agree Let me flag down a passing flying saucer so I can get of this rock!
 
There were several mentions that why would the pilot bring something in when he could just crash the plane. These people are just thinking about the plane the pilot is flying. If he could basically just stroll through security, he could just as easily bring something dangerous in hand it off to another person in the airport, like a passenger for another flight.

People complain that their rights are being violated; but being able to fly is not a right, it is a privilege. If you are unwilling to follow the rules laid down, then don't fly.
 
[citation][nom]NivenFres[/nom]If you are unwilling to follow the rules laid down, then don't fly.[/citation]

Which is exactly the point isn't it? We choose not to until those who provide the service grow a brain. And appearently one of their own has grown one too.
 
[citation][nom]WhySoBluePandaBear[/nom]...RANT...[/citation]

If you want to have your constitutional rights tromped on, so be it. Leave me out of such follies. Our forefathers fought for a reason, its sickening to see you so eagerly renounce them in the name of false security. that is right - False Security.

Do you not think that someone can be clever enough to bypass such systems? I agree with security reform in airports, but this is going too far. Unless you act in a suspicious manner, the public at large should not be subjected to such harrassment.

And before you jump on the "it is optional" boat... so is going to a grocery store, how about if they did a body search on everyone going in an out in the name of "security"? bad example but perfect reference.
 
[citation][nom]halls[/nom]Man, almost ten years later and those terrorists are still having their way with us.[/citation]

Yup. It seems that they have won the war.

No american citizen will ever live in peace and freedom again if this insane security trend goes on.
 
Security sucks, sure, but I would rather deal with that than having someone sneak weapons onboard, pilots included. I have had jobs that required security entrance before, but it is part of the job. Flying on a plane is not a right, it's a privilege. Unfortunately our society is immature, and the Human Race itself is going through growing pains. Until we can out-grow our desire to inflict harm on others, this is what we have.
 
we should have 2 types of flights. one with security and one without security, then let the chips fall where they may.
 
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