Plasma panel collapse coming soon?

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"Alan Figgatt" <afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> RobH wrote:
>> Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in
>> news:MPG.1c31b3bab7d7616d9899f8@news.nabs.net: BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK |
>> November 29, 2004, Monday
>>
>> Signs of a Glut And Lower Prices
>>
>> By ERIC A. TAUB (NYT) ABSTRACT - Glut of liquid crystal display
>> flat-panel televisions, called LCD's, are about to enter market, result
>> of boom in new factories; analysts say prices will drop as much as 30
>> percent by end of 2005.
>
> A counter press article: "Rumors circulate that Samsung will raise
> panel prices" in January.
>
> http://www.digitimes.com/displays/a20041215A5024.html
>
> Reports are that some of the Taiwan TFT-LCD panel makers will report a
> loss and many of the other LCD makers are showing big profit drops. We
> have been in a period of rapid price drops for smaller to mid sized LCD
> panels, but that may level off for a period if few companies are making
> money. Complex situation as all the makers are chasing market share and
> building increased capacity to go after it. It will be interesting to
> see who wins. Despite my comments on the Sharp 45" Aquos, I think the
> Aquos G series are the best buys for LCD TVs on the market right now.
> Sharp may be in the best situation among the Japanese companies to
> thrive in the LCD TV market, don't know about Sony.
>
> Alan Figgatt
>

Sony will probably thrive too, since they buy their LCD glass from Sharp.

 

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I don't know about solid commercial and industrial. The Ila's, back then
from Hughes, have been a royal pain. They are completely out of the
commercial/industrial market now.
Compared to other technologies, Ila's have been improving at a snail's pace.
After all, ILA's have been around for about 14 years now.
I don't think we'll have dancing holos in ten years either. I have had HD in
my home now for five years, and it really hasn't changed a lot. I hope that
we'll have this stupid aspect ratio stuff figured out within the next ten
years, but I doubt even that. Technologies I think can make it is rear
projection three-chip DLP and direct view LCD. The direct view up to 50",
larger stuff with rear projection. That keeps cost reasonable. If you have
enough space in your TV room that you need something larger than 50", you'll
be alright with a cabinet that is two feet deep anyway.



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> "Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> From the Beeb http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4110283.stm
>>
>> Analysts say Sony would be better off sticking to rival technology LCD.
>>
>> With plasma and LCD competing to be the most popular flat television
>> technology, plasma currently has the advantage in that its screens can be
>> made significantly larger.
>
> I'm a recent but enthusiastic arrival on the large-screen HDTV scene (a
> serious wannabe, not a present owner), I've been pouring over the huge
> amount of web material available, and I'm foolish enough to venture a
> prediction: everything, including plasma, lcd projection, dlp projection,
> and large direct lcd will be swept away by ILA rear projection. I say this
> because it seems to be making such rapid progress for home use, and
> because it has such a solid background in commercial and institutional
> use.
>
> Of course, this is only a medium -term prediction, which in the HDTV world
> means maybe 10 years. After that it's anyone's guess (dancing 3-D
> holograms anyone?) .
>
> I now retreat into my foxhole and await the incoming artillery... :<)
>

 

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"Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Toshiba to stop making plasma display TVs



Yomiuri Shimbun

Toshiba Corp. plans to abandon the plasma display panel television market
and would begin next summer producing surface conduction electron emitter
display (SED) panels for flat panel televisions with 40-inch or larger
screens.

Toshiba also is expected to quit the overseas plasma display panel
television market, sources close to the maker said.

Toshiba is the second major electrical appliance maker after Sony Corp. to
announce its withdrawal from the plasma display television market.

Toshiba will begin next summer full-scale production of SED television sets,
which it jointly developed with Canon Inc.

A company jointly established by Toshiba, Hitachi, Ltd. and other firms will
mass-produce display panels for liquid crystal televisions.

A Toshiba executive said Friday that with the company planning to
concentrate on marketing SED and flat-panel television sets, it was
inevitable that Toshiba would downsize its plasma display panel television
business and eventually retreat from the market.

Since the latter half of last year, Toshiba has not marketed new plasma
display panel television products in Japan.

 

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Randy Sweeney wrote:
> "Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Toshiba to stop making plasma display TVs

However, Toshiba does not make plasma displays. They buy the display
screen from another company, NEC IIRC. They only show two Plasma TV
models on their web page, both 42" HDs. I think one is last year's
model, the other the newer one.

So they have only a very small slice of the plasma TV market which is
only going to get more competitive as Matsushita, Samsung, LG,
Pioneer/NEC and others all crank up production on plasmas. So they are
concentrating on SED flat panels, gambling to a large extent, that they
will be able to make SED TVs which will be able to compete in a market
with falling prices for plasma and direct view LCD TVs.

Alan F

 

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Alan Figgatt wrote:
> Randy Sweeney wrote:
>
>> "Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Toshiba to stop making plasma display TVs
>
>
> However, Toshiba does not make plasma displays. They buy the display
> screen from another company, NEC IIRC. They only show two Plasma TV
> models on their web page, both 42" HDs. I think one is last year's
> model, the other the newer one.

IIRC, both of those 42" displays are 1024x768, which it appears that
consumers aren't really interested in.

> So they have only a very small slice of the plasma TV market which is
> only going to get more competitive as Matsushita, Samsung, LG,
> Pioneer/NEC and others all crank up production on plasmas.

Virtually all of the above are also making substantial investment in
direct view LDC panels.

> So they are
> concentrating on SED flat panels, gambling to a large extent, that they
> will be able to make SED TVs which will be able to compete in a market
> with falling prices for plasma and direct view LCD TVs.

Which may actually be a winning bet.

Matthew

--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game

 

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I wonder what Toshiba themselves are saying? Sony is denying the reports in
the Japanese press that they are pulling out of the plasma business, so I
wonder how true these "reports" really are.

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> "Randy Sweeney" <rsweeney1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Toshiba to stop making plasma display TVs
>
>
>
> Yomiuri Shimbun
>
> Toshiba Corp. plans to abandon the plasma display panel television market
> and would begin next summer producing surface conduction electron emitter
> display (SED) panels for flat panel televisions with 40-inch or larger
> screens.
>
> Toshiba also is expected to quit the overseas plasma display panel
> television market, sources close to the maker said.
>
> Toshiba is the second major electrical appliance maker after Sony Corp. to
> announce its withdrawal from the plasma display television market.
>
> Toshiba will begin next summer full-scale production of SED television
> sets, which it jointly developed with Canon Inc.
>
> A company jointly established by Toshiba, Hitachi, Ltd. and other firms
> will mass-produce display panels for liquid crystal televisions.
>
> A Toshiba executive said Friday that with the company planning to
> concentrate on marketing SED and flat-panel television sets, it was
> inevitable that Toshiba would downsize its plasma display panel television
> business and eventually retreat from the market.
>
> Since the latter half of last year, Toshiba has not marketed new plasma
> display panel television products in Japan.
>
>

 

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Let's keep in mind that Toshiba never actually manufactured any of their
plasmas. They always used someone else's glass. So for them it no biggie.
You'll still be seeing plasmas around for a number of years with the biggies,
Pioneer, Fujitsu, Panasonic etc. And you'll be seeing a ton of them from Korea.

 

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The 1920x1080 display Sony is starting to sell in japan (for $10,000)
should be a lot better. They use LED for backlight. Its color gamut
is a LOT better. The article said 65-75% of NTSC for current LCD, 80%
for CRT and 105% for this new display. Not sure what plasma is.

Eric