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"Chris W." <memnon2@ziplip.com> wrote in message
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> How does the LD picture look with the zoom modes on? I heard that LD
> doesn't look good zoomed on a widescreen set, but I also heard that
> the Pioneer sets have the best stretch modes in the business.

Stretched is still stretched. If a picture was meant to be seen as 4:3,
stretching it to 16:9 is going to be like looking through a fisheye lens
whenever there is horizontal movement within the frame.

 

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>"If a picture was meant to be seen as 4:3,
> stretching it to 16:9 is going to be like looking through a fisheye lens
> whenever there is horizontal movement within the frame.

But how does this coincide with gtaylor's comments above that his
Elite 530 'gives a great LD image' and is impressed by how the 530
handles LD? The 530 is a widescreen set.

 

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"Chris W." <memnon2@ziplip.com> wrote in message
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> >"If a picture was meant to be seen as 4:3,
> > stretching it to 16:9 is going to be like looking through a fisheye
lens
> > whenever there is horizontal movement within the frame.
>
> But how does this coincide with gtaylor's comments above that his
> Elite 530 'gives a great LD image' and is impressed by how the 530
> handles LD? The 530 is a widescreen set.

Widescreen sets have two valid modes for watching laserdisc content: a
pillarbox mode that places 4:3 content in the center of the screen with
bars on the sides, and a Zoom mode for non-anamorphic widescreen movies
that magnifies the center of the picture and crops off the letterbox
bars on the top and bottom.

There are also stretch modes. If you really enjoy watching movies
through a fisheye lens, have at it. Personally, I find it distasteful. A
4:3 picture is meant to be seen as 4:3. A widescreen picture is meant to
be seen as widescreen.

 

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"> Widescreen sets have two valid modes for watching laserdisc
content: a
> pillarbox mode that places 4:3 content in the center of the screen with
> bars on the sides, and a Zoom mode for non-anamorphic widescreen movies
> that magnifies the center of the picture and crops off the letterbox
> bars on the top and bottom.
>
> There are also stretch modes. If you really enjoy watching movies
> through a fisheye lens, have at it. Personally, I find it distasteful. A
> 4:3 picture is meant to be seen as 4:3. A widescreen picture is meant to
> be seen as widescreen.


I always assumed that stretch modes and zoom modes were the same
thing. I thought that when you watch a widescreen laserdisc on a
widescreen set, the picture naturally sits in the center of the
screen, with black bars on both the top and sides; and by zooming it
you remove the black bars on the sides, but still leave small bars at
the top. And when you watch fullscreen laserdiscs on a widescreen set,
there's gray bars on the sides (or so I'm assuming). You're saying
that adjusting the image to remove the black/gray bars on the side of
the screen invariably gives the fisheye lens effect?

 

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Kurtis Bahr <kbahr@erols.com> wrote in message news:<40c15901$0$2940$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> I also have a 530HD and I bought it as it did better with NTSC pictures
> than a Mits I brought home and others I've played with in stores. Now
> all the HDTV's seem to be designed for HD operation and you get varying
> levels of NTSC performance depending on how much they wanted to spend.
> NTSC won't be as nice as a 480p/720p/1080i input, just something I've
> had to accept. I still have my 40" Pioneer Analog unit which has a much
> clearer and sharper NTSC picture than the 530HD.
>
> Kurtis

What picture mode do you use to view widescreen laserdiscs?

 

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"Chris W." <memnon2@ziplip.com> wrote in message
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> I always assumed that stretch modes and zoom modes were the same
> thing. I thought that when you watch a widescreen laserdisc on a
> widescreen set, the picture naturally sits in the center of the
> screen, with black bars on both the top and sides; and by zooming it
> you remove the black bars on the sides, but still leave small bars at
> the top. And when you watch fullscreen laserdiscs on a widescreen set,
> there's gray bars on the sides (or so I'm assuming). You're saying
> that adjusting the image to remove the black/gray bars on the side of
> the screen invariably gives the fisheye lens effect?

No, widescreen TVs typically have 4 viewing modes:

- A 4:3 mode that pillarboxes content in the center of the screen with
bars on the sides (good for 4:3 content)
- A Zoom mode that magnifies the center of the picture and crops off the
top and bottom (good for non-anamorphic letterbox content, as you
describe above)
- A 16:9 mode with a linear stretch (good for anamorphically-enhanced
widescreen content)
- A non-linear stretch mode that distorts a 4:3 picture to fit the 16:9
screen. These usually crop a little bit off the top and bottom, then
stretch the rest more on the sides than in the center. Objects in the
center of the frame look geometrically correct, but on the sides they
will be stretched and any time the camera moves it gives the fisheye
effect.

 

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memnon2@ziplip.com (Chris W.) wrote in message news:<9fecf0b.0406051514.61ef0868@posting.google.com>...
> Kurtis Bahr <kbahr@erols.com> wrote in message news:<40c15901$0$2940$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> > I also have a 530HD and I bought it as it did better with NTSC pictures
> > than a Mits I brought home and others I've played with in stores. Now
> > all the HDTV's seem to be designed for HD operation and you get varying
> > levels of NTSC performance depending on how much they wanted to spend.
> > NTSC won't be as nice as a 480p/720p/1080i input, just something I've
> > had to accept. I still have my 40" Pioneer Analog unit which has a much
> > clearer and sharper NTSC picture than the 530HD.
> >
> > Kurtis
>
> What picture mode do you use to view widescreen laserdiscs?

On my Elite 530, I use the 4:3 mode for 1.33 aspect ratio laserdiscs,
Cinema Wide for 1.85 ratio discs, and Zoom for 2.35 ratio lasers. I
see no fisheye effect as Josh stated.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On my Elite 530, I use the 4:3 mode for 1.33 aspect ratio laserdiscs,
> Cinema Wide for 1.85 ratio discs, and Zoom for 2.35 ratio lasers. I
> see no fisheye effect as Josh stated.

Why would you use different modes for 1.85:1 and 2.35:1? On Pioneer
sets, "CinemaWide" is meant for non-anamorphic 1.66:1. For
non-anamorphic 1.85:1, Zoom should nearly fill the screen with accurate
picture geometry.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<cdHwc.15425$Yd3.5528@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:928d927c.0406060623.26fc165b@posting.google.com...
> > On my Elite 530, I use the 4:3 mode for 1.33 aspect ratio laserdiscs,
> > Cinema Wide for 1.85 ratio discs, and Zoom for 2.35 ratio lasers. I
> > see no fisheye effect as Josh stated.
>
> Why would you use different modes for 1.85:1 and 2.35:1? On Pioneer
> sets, "CinemaWide" is meant for non-anamorphic 1.66:1. For
> non-anamorphic 1.85:1, Zoom should nearly fill the screen with accurate
> picture geometry.

Using Zoom on a 1.85 ratio film completely fills the screen and you
lose image on the sides. Cinema Wide will correctly display a 1.85
aspect ratio with very small bars on the top and bottom with no
apparent lose of image. I have tested this using the non-anamaphoric
DVD of Psycho, which is 1.85. I paused on a scene in the office in
the begining of the film. I switched to 4x3 mode to see what the
image should look like. I then switched between Cinema Wide and Zoom,
and there was lose of image with Zoom plus scan lines are more
visible. Cinema Wide looked better with no image lose.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Using Zoom on a 1.85 ratio film completely fills the screen and you
> lose image on the sides.

Sounds like overscan.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<OBMwc.1009$Y3.678@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:928d927c.0406061349.65877d99@posting.google.com...
> > Using Zoom on a 1.85 ratio film completely fills the screen and you
> > lose image on the sides.
>
> Sounds like overscan.

It isn't. Zoom is the wrong mode for 1.85 ratio non-anamaphoric.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Using Zoom on a 1.85 ratio film completely fills the screen and
you
> > > lose image on the sides.
> >
> > Sounds like overscan.
>
> It isn't. Zoom is the wrong mode for 1.85 ratio non-anamaphoric.

Your television's aspect ratio is 1.78:1.

1.85:1 is wider than that. This is simple math.

If it weren't for overscan, a 1.85:1 image should mostly fill the screen
with small black bars on the top and bottom. Overscan of about 5% (which
is perfectly normal) usually cuts off the visibility of those letterbox
bars. It will also appear to crop image off the sides. That's what
overscan does.

Pioneer's "CinemaWide" mode is designed for non-anamorphic 1.66:1
material. A 1.66:1 image would fill the screen from top to bottom but
have small pillarbox bars on the sides.

If you find it preferable for 1.85:1 material as well because it
counteracts the effects of overscan, that's perfectly fine, but it
wasn't designed for that usage. You should be seeing black bars on all 4
sides of the picture.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<%lSwc.16082$Yd3.13192@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:928d927c.0406061712.31cf6f9@posting.google.com...
> > > > Using Zoom on a 1.85 ratio film completely fills the screen and
> you
> > > > lose image on the sides.
> > >
> > > Sounds like overscan.
> >
> > It isn't. Zoom is the wrong mode for 1.85 ratio non-anamaphoric.
>
> Your television's aspect ratio is 1.78:1.
>
> 1.85:1 is wider than that. This is simple math.

Correct, which is why Cinema Wide has small black bars for 1.85
non-anamaphoric.
>
> If it weren't for overscan, a 1.85:1 image should mostly fill the screen
> with small black bars on the top and bottom. Overscan of about 5% (which
> is perfectly normal) usually cuts off the visibility of those letterbox
> bars. It will also appear to crop image off the sides. That's what
> overscan does.
>
> Pioneer's "CinemaWide" mode is designed for non-anamorphic 1.66:1
> material. A 1.66:1 image would fill the screen from top to bottom but
> have small pillarbox bars on the sides.

Tell me where in the owners manual it says that. What it actually
states is that Cinema Wide is for Vista size images, and for Cinema
Scope images that contain subtitles, ie 2.35 with subtitles such as
Star Wars. My understanding is that Vista Size is not 1.66 exclusivly.
It is used for up to 1.96. I don't think I have any 1.66
non-anamaphoric, but would like to see what it does with it.

Zoom states that it is for Cinema Scope size images.
>
> If you find it preferable for 1.85:1 material as well because it
> counteracts the effects of overscan, that's perfectly fine, but it
> wasn't designed for that usage. You should be seeing black bars on all 4
> sides of the picture.

I disagree with Cinema Wide is for 1.66 exclusively. Cinema Wide
perfectly displays 1.85. Zoom distorts it.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Your television's aspect ratio is 1.78:1.
> >
> > 1.85:1 is wider than that. This is simple math.
>
> Correct, which is why Cinema Wide has small black bars for 1.85
> non-anamaphoric.

It also puts small bars on the sides, which it doesn't need to do for
1.85:1.

> > Pioneer's "CinemaWide" mode is designed for non-anamorphic 1.66:1
> > material. A 1.66:1 image would fill the screen from top to bottom
but
> > have small pillarbox bars on the sides.
>
> Tell me where in the owners manual it says that.

How about here?

http/tinyurl.com/yq9x7

-----------
CinemaWide Mode - is designed for letterboxed films in the 1.66:1 "mild"
widescreen format. It maintains the accuracy of the horizontal
information, removing the black bands at the top and bottom of the
frame.
-----------

> What it actually
> states is that Cinema Wide is for Vista size images, and for Cinema
> Scope images that contain subtitles, ie 2.35 with subtitles such as
> Star Wars. My understanding is that Vista Size is not 1.66 exclusivly.
> It is used for up to 1.96. I don't think I have any 1.66
> non-anamaphoric, but would like to see what it does with it.
>
> Zoom states that it is for Cinema Scope size images.

The manual's wording is misleading.

The chip inside the TV is not intelligent enough to tell the aspect
ratio of the content on the disc. Whether the content is 1.66:1, 1.85:1,
or 1.96:1, the "CinemaWide" mode is going to zoom it in the exact same
degree. On 1.96:1, you will see even larger bars on the top and bottom
of the frame, with the same sized bars on the sides.

> I disagree with Cinema Wide is for 1.66 exclusively. Cinema Wide
> perfectly displays 1.85. Zoom distorts it.

As far as the TV is concerned, there is no difference between one
non-anamorphic picture and another. It can't tell what the aspect ratio
is. The only difference between 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 is that to your eye
the 2.35:1 picture has larger black bars. The TV doesn't know that. It
treats them exactly the same. If you think Zoom is distorting 1.85:1
content, then it is equally distorting 2.35:1 content.

Zoom magnifies the center of the picture. The sides of the video signal
should reach the sides of the TV screen, and the black bars on the top
and bottom will be cropped.

CinemaWide magnifies the center of the picture to a lesser degree. The
top and bottom of a 1.66:1 image will reach the top and bottom of the
screen, and bars are added to the sides.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<xKYwc.16251$Yd3.2920@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:928d927c.0406070247.18dc970e@posting.google.com...
> > > Your television's aspect ratio is 1.78:1.
> > >
> > > 1.85:1 is wider than that. This is simple math.
> >
> > Correct, which is why Cinema Wide has small black bars for 1.85
> > non-anamaphoric.
>
> It also puts small bars on the sides, which it doesn't need to do for
> 1.85:1.

I haven't ever watched a non-anamaphoric 1.66 on mine, but I've heard
other Pioneer owners state that it does not add side bars. I'll have
to pick up a non-ana 1.66 and test this for myself. What are some
1.66 no-ana titles?
>
> > > Pioneer's "CinemaWide" mode is designed for non-anamorphic 1.66:1
> > > material. A 1.66:1 image would fill the screen from top to bottom
> but
> > > have small pillarbox bars on the sides.
> >
> > Tell me where in the owners manual it says that.
>
> How about here?
>
> http/tinyurl.com/yq9x7

That is a document written for the SD-641, not the Elite 530. The 641
is an older design. Technology has been improved upon since that set.
>
> -----------
> CinemaWide Mode - is designed for letterboxed films in the 1.66:1 "mild"
> widescreen format. It maintains the accuracy of the horizontal
> information, removing the black bands at the top and bottom of the
> frame.
> -----------
>
> > What it actually
> > states is that Cinema Wide is for Vista size images, and for Cinema
> > Scope images that contain subtitles, ie 2.35 with subtitles such as
> > Star Wars. My understanding is that Vista Size is not 1.66 exclusivly.
> > It is used for up to 1.96. I don't think I have any 1.66
> > non-anamaphoric, but would like to see what it does with it.
> >
> > Zoom states that it is for Cinema Scope size images.
>
> The manual's wording is misleading.
>
> The chip inside the TV is not intelligent enough to tell the aspect
> ratio of the content on the disc. Whether the content is 1.66:1, 1.85:1,
> or 1.96:1, the "CinemaWide" mode is going to zoom it in the exact same
> degree. On 1.96:1, you will see even larger bars on the top and bottom
> of the frame, with the same sized bars on the sides.

I'm getting confused here. With 1.85, there are NO bars on the side,
and there shouldn't be. Why would there be at 1.96? There should be
larger bars on the top and bottom, but on the sides? Are you saying
that Cinema Wide should always have side bars because a document
written for the SD-641 TV, which is an old set now, says it is
designed for 1.66? Perhaps the function of the cinema wide mode has
been improved since the SD-641. But I can tell you that on ~1.85 there
are certainly no side bars.
>
> > I disagree with Cinema Wide is for 1.66 exclusively. Cinema Wide
> > perfectly displays 1.85. Zoom distorts it.
>
> As far as the TV is concerned, there is no difference between one
> non-anamorphic picture and another. It can't tell what the aspect ratio
> is. The only difference between 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 is that to your eye
> the 2.35:1 picture has larger black bars. The TV doesn't know that. It
> treats them exactly the same. If you think Zoom is distorting 1.85:1
> content, then it is equally distorting 2.35:1 content.

I watched my star wars LD on my old 4x3 set, and then watched it on
the Elite using zoom mode and I saw no lose of information on the
sides. Cinema Wide feature the same video content but with much
larger black bars.

I'm not sure what we are arguing about at this point, but all I can
say is regardless of what you have read, Cinema Wide is the best mode
for ~1.85. Zoom mode zooms too much and crops the image.
>
> Zoom magnifies the center of the picture. The sides of the video signal
> should reach the sides of the TV screen, and the black bars on the top
> and bottom will be cropped.
>
> CinemaWide magnifies the center of the picture to a lesser degree. The
> top and bottom of a 1.66:1 image will reach the top and bottom of the
> screen, and bars are added to the sides.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't ever watched a non-anamaphoric 1.66 on mine, but I've heard
> other Pioneer owners state that it does not add side bars. I'll have
> to pick up a non-ana 1.66 and test this for myself. What are some
> 1.66 no-ana titles?

Try The Nightmare Before Christmas or James & the Giant Peach, on either
laserdisc or DVD.

> That is a document written for the SD-641, not the Elite 530. The 641
> is an older design. Technology has been improved upon since that set.

Regardless of whether technology has improved, companies tend to keep
the same names for the same functions from one model to the next. Maybe
I'm wrong and they changed the designation of "CinemaWide", but it seems
unlikely.

> > The chip inside the TV is not intelligent enough to tell the aspect
> > ratio of the content on the disc. Whether the content is 1.66:1,
1.85:1,
> > or 1.96:1, the "CinemaWide" mode is going to zoom it in the exact
same
> > degree. On 1.96:1, you will see even larger bars on the top and
bottom
> > of the frame, with the same sized bars on the sides.
>
> I'm getting confused here. With 1.85, there are NO bars on the side,
> and there shouldn't be. Why would there be at 1.96?

Because the TV has no way of telling what aspect ratio the movie on the
disc is. You're setting the TV for its 1.66:1 mode, which adds bars on
the sides. Regardless of what aspect ratio is really on the disc, it's
going to do the same thing to every movie.

If you're not seeing bars on the sides, it's possible that overscan is
cutting them off.

> > If you think Zoom is distorting 1.85:1
> > content, then it is equally distorting 2.35:1 content.
>
> I watched my star wars LD on my old 4x3 set, and then watched it on
> the Elite using zoom mode and I saw no lose of information on the
> sides. Cinema Wide feature the same video content but with much
> larger black bars.

This just proves my point. CinemaWide is shrinking the movie picture
down, adding bars on the sides (possibly cut off by overscan). The
effect you see is that the movie image looks smaller and the bars on top
and bottom look bigger.

Look again and I bet you WILL see loss of information on the sides with
ZOOM mode. The information is lost to overscan.

> I'm not sure what we are arguing about at this point, but all I can
> say is regardless of what you have read, Cinema Wide is the best mode
> for ~1.85. Zoom mode zooms too much and crops the image.

Whatever Pioneer has decided to call the functions on their latest TVs,
you should be using the same setting for all non-anamorphic discs
regardless of 1.85:1 or 2.35:1. If that's not Zoom, then you should be
using CinemaWide for both. The TV does not have separate settings for
non-anamorphic 1.85:1 and non-anamorphic 2.35:1. From the TV's
perspective, both of these pictures are exactly the same as one another.

1.66:1 is a custom aspect ratio setting that some TV manufacturers
include that adds bars on the sides so that you don't lose picture off
the top and bottom from that aspect ratio (as you would if you did a
straight Zoom).

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<Xlsxc.3291$Y3.673@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> "gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:928d927c.0406071454.3963e4b1@posting.google.com...
> > I haven't ever watched a non-anamaphoric 1.66 on mine, but I've heard
> > other Pioneer owners state that it does not add side bars. I'll have
> > to pick up a non-ana 1.66 and test this for myself. What are some
> > 1.66 no-ana titles?
>
> Try The Nightmare Before Christmas or James & the Giant Peach, on either
> laserdisc or DVD.
>
> > That is a document written for the SD-641, not the Elite 530. The 641
> > is an older design. Technology has been improved upon since that set.
>
> Regardless of whether technology has improved, companies tend to keep
> the same names for the same functions from one model to the next. Maybe
> I'm wrong and they changed the designation of "CinemaWide", but it seems
> unlikely.
>
> > > The chip inside the TV is not intelligent enough to tell the aspect
> > > ratio of the content on the disc. Whether the content is 1.66:1,
> 1.85:1,
> > > or 1.96:1, the "CinemaWide" mode is going to zoom it in the exact
> same
> > > degree. On 1.96:1, you will see even larger bars on the top and
> bottom
> > > of the frame, with the same sized bars on the sides.
> >
> > I'm getting confused here. With 1.85, there are NO bars on the side,
> > and there shouldn't be. Why would there be at 1.96?
>
> Because the TV has no way of telling what aspect ratio the movie on the
> disc is. You're setting the TV for its 1.66:1 mode, which adds bars on
> the sides. Regardless of what aspect ratio is really on the disc, it's
> going to do the same thing to every movie.
>
> If you're not seeing bars on the sides, it's possible that overscan is
> cutting them off.

There are no sidebars. Period.
>
> > > If you think Zoom is distorting 1.85:1
> > > content, then it is equally distorting 2.35:1 content.

> >
> > I watched my star wars LD on my old 4x3 set, and then watched it on
> > the Elite using zoom mode and I saw no lose of information on the
> > sides. Cinema Wide feature the same video content but with much
> > larger black bars.
>
> This just proves my point. CinemaWide is shrinking the movie picture
> down, adding bars on the sides (possibly cut off by overscan). The
> effect you see is that the movie image looks smaller and the bars on top
> and bottom look bigger.
>
> Look again and I bet you WILL see loss of information on the sides with
> ZOOM mode. The information is lost to overscan.
>
> > I'm not sure what we are arguing about at this point, but all I can
> > say is regardless of what you have read, Cinema Wide is the best mode
> > for ~1.85. Zoom mode zooms too much and crops the image.
>
> Whatever Pioneer has decided to call the functions on their latest TVs,
> you should be using the same setting for all non-anamorphic discs
> regardless of 1.85:1 or 2.35:1. If that's not Zoom, then you should be
> using CinemaWide for both. The TV does not have separate settings for
> non-anamorphic 1.85:1 and non-anamorphic 2.35:1. From the TV's
> perspective, both of these pictures are exactly the same as one another.
>
> 1.66:1 is a custom aspect ratio setting that some TV manufacturers
> include that adds bars on the sides so that you don't lose picture off
> the top and bottom from that aspect ratio (as you would if you did a
> straight Zoom).

I will rent a non-anamaphoric 1.66 soon and see if Cinema wide does
this. Probably won't be too soon as my HLD-X9 just arrived from
Nicolas!

We're going to have to just agree to disagree. Cinema Wide makes 1.85
look the best, hence the owners manual stating that it is for Vista
size images. Zoom works best with 2.35, hence it's statement of
Cinemascope.

 

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"gtaylor" <gltaylor74@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > If you're not seeing bars on the sides, it's possible that overscan
is
> > cutting them off.
>
> There are no sidebars. Period.

If they were hidden by overscan, you wouldn't know.

> I will rent a non-anamaphoric 1.66 soon and see if Cinema wide does
> this. Probably won't be too soon as my HLD-X9 just arrived from
> Nicolas!

You really don't specifically need a 1.66:1 disc to tell. Any aspect
ratio content will do. You just have to look closely to see what happens
to the image when you change from one mode to the next.

> We're going to have to just agree to disagree. Cinema Wide makes 1.85
> look the best, hence the owners manual stating that it is for Vista
> size images. Zoom works best with 2.35, hence it's statement of
> Cinemascope.

There is no logical explanation for how this could be. Honestly, try
thinking it out, what could the television possibly do differently to
distinguish these aspect ratios, unless it is visibly cropping or
stretching one of them to fill the screen? I would like to know what it
is you think that CinemaWide mode does to 1.85:1 material that it
doesn't do to 2.35:1 material.

I don't mean to sound argumentative. You've just left me utterly
perplexed.