Reel 2 Reel suggestions please !!

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So I guess I should buy all the new Quantegy for my Nagra that I can find.
.. .I found some 408 , any good?

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <34h87eF3da99hU1@individual.net>,
> Joe Sensor <crabcakes@emagic.net> wrote:
> >Mr. T wrote:
> >
> >> Effectively much the same thing when you consider how expensive it is
> >> already.
> >
> >Actually tape prices haven't risen that much over the years. Look into
> >how much a roll of 2" was back in the early 80's.
>
> Yes, but the music is cheaper.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

 

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Edward Bridge <edbridgeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:
>So I guess I should buy all the new Quantegy for my Nagra that I can find.
>. .I found some 408 , any good?

Not really, but you don't have any other choice. 408 and 480 have higher
slitting tolerances than the regular Quantegy tapes, but the slitting is still
much worse than the BASF tapes.
--scott

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On 2005-01-10, Frankie739 <frank@mrtwochannel.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have just come back from CES 2005, and heard some fantastic sound
> where the source was vintage 60-70's reel2reel decks. The music was so
> lifelike, and so much more information than CD's/SACD/DVD-A's.,

I don't disagree that there are desirable aesthetic qualities to analog
media. However, I really want to know where this mysterious domain in
which all this lost "information" lives. Seriously, we have 24 bits of
dynamic range, and a Nyquist frequency of 48kHz, and even zero crosstalk,
just on consumer recorders now. Where is this information going to hide?

 

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For one place, in the noise floor. I've heard many examples(way too many) of "remastered" CD's
where the (so-called) mastering engineer got obsessed with removing tape hiss, at the very
noticeable expense of ambient sound information. Any more, I take a label saying "remastered"
as a warning label. From what my SACD-invested friends tell me, that situation is no better
there, either.

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> On 2005-01-10, Frankie739 <frank@mrtwochannel.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have just come back from CES 2005, and heard some fantastic sound
> > where the source was vintage 60-70's reel2reel decks. The music was so
> > lifelike, and so much more information than CD's/SACD/DVD-A's.,
>
> I don't disagree that there are desirable aesthetic qualities to analog
> media. However, I really want to know where this mysterious domain in
> which all this lost "information" lives. Seriously, we have 24 bits of
> dynamic range, and a Nyquist frequency of 48kHz, and even zero crosstalk,
> just on consumer recorders now. Where is this information going to hide?

 

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Not really, but you don't have any other choice. 408 and 480 have higher
> slitting tolerances than the regular Quantegy tapes, but the slitting is
still
> much worse than the BASF tapes.




Just incase" the blind pig (me) finds the peanut, " what would be a good
choice ?

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Edward Bridge <edbridgeNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Not really, but you don't have any other choice. 408 and 480 have higher
>> slitting tolerances than the regular Quantegy tapes, but the slitting is
>still
>> much worse than the BASF tapes.
>
>Just incase" the blind pig (me) finds the peanut, " what would be a good
>choice ?

The Nagra will certainly have no problem with BASF 468. It should also be
fine with SM911. I don't know how well it will work with SM900.

It should also be fine with Maxell XLI35B, although the stiffer backing
can be a problem.

It will bias up Zonal 675 without any problem (even the Nagra III will),
but I don't know about Zonal 999.

None of these tapes are available or have been for a while.
--scott


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On 10 Jan 2005 14:53:57 -0800, "Frankie739" <frank@mrtwochannel.com>
wrote:

>I have just come back from CES 2005, and heard some fantastic sound
>where the source was vintage 60-70's reel2reel decks. The music was so
>lifelike, and so much more information than CD's/SACD/DVD-A's.,
>
>I have no knowledge of what reel2reel I should purchase, nor the
>differences between 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, and multi tracks. Reading some
>of the forum posts, spare parts could be a problem......so ANY
>suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated.
>What I am looking for is that "live music" sound with all the magic,
>that seems to be missing from the current formats.
>
>My budget I wish to spend, that I suppose will have to include an
>amount for post purchase adjustment can be up to $500.
>
>Thanks



-- Oh, given your aims to listen every 1/4" tape obtainable, you'd
need something the Germans would call "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau", "A
Milky Egg-Laying Pig" or so )

Nevertheless, Technics tape recorders would give you, in addition to
1/2 track, 1/4 track reproduction posibility too and they cover the
most interesting 3 speeds. Revox B77 is easier obtainable, but you'd
have to buy say 1/4 "Low Speed" model and 1/2" "High Speed" model,
also 2 machines to cover it all. There is a possibility to play also
quarter track tapes on a 2-track Revox B77 too, I've seen a pictures
where the 4th 1/4 head has been aded into the place foreseen for
sync-head option and you'd change the signal by a switch, but this is
a rather unique, albeit viable, idea. There were some models which had
interchangeable head blocks too like some Uhers and some today quite
hard-to-find German ASC 6000 machnies (which had some similarities to
Revox).
I'd suggest Revox because you still can obtain a new set of heads,
it's not cheap though, and adjusting the azimuth -- which would be
obligatory -- is easily done by a hex screw. Whichever tape machine
you choose, please pay attention to the stand of heads first (a Revox
head is still good up to some 5 mm of the area polished ie. worn out
by the tape albeit Revox always suggested changing at some 3,5 mm --
marketing I think) and then pay attention to the pinch roller. The
tape counter belt is now always broken into pieces at B77 machines but
it can be easily replaced by some rubber belt(s) from, say,
videorecorders.
Generally, Revox spares are easier to obtain. This is of course the
semi-pro realm, Studers, Ampex machines etc. are somewhat different
story and as to Tascam, chances are to obtain a new machine still
today.

Now a quick question to all -- do newer Studer heads fit in Revox B77
too? -- I know that you can get a glass-and-metal Studer head for, say
an A 807.
In such a case, the part numbers would be for that particular head
1.318.xxx.xx; the "x"es being batch numbers. This head is lasting many
times more compared to standard heads so I'm interested.


Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia

 

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Given the circumstances, I think the poster should get a few of the
tapes he plans on playing on the machine. Relatively small investment.
Then borrow or rent if need be, the required machine.

After re-evaluating the actual tapes in question, you may find it's not
worth the bother.

 

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In article <34jarhF4bkcm1U1@individual.net>,
Joe Sensor <crabcakes@emagic.net> wrote:
>Given the circumstances, I think the poster should get a few of the
>tapes he plans on playing on the machine. Relatively small investment.
>Then borrow or rent if need be, the required machine.
>
>After re-evaluating the actual tapes in question, you may find it's not
>worth the bother.

Give me a week or so to get to the correct stratum and I should be putting
a bunch of prerecorded open reel tapes up on ebay. Almost all 3 3/4 ips,
though. Mostly unopened.
--scott.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:38:43 GMT, Chris Hornbeck
<chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote:

>They can sound really great, but musical selection is going to be
>relatively limited. I suspect that if you're expecting to find
>Bruno Walter, Szell, Reiner, Munsch, etc. you might be disappointed.

You got me interested enough in the topic to look around,
so I need to correct myself. Check this for a pretty good selection
of Golden Age stuff:

http/www.irvmusic.com/tapes.htm

And contact SD to get the jump on his. Usenet!

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Thanks.... all those who have contributed to this thread.

I have learnt that not all R2R are the same, and that the quality of
the tapes will be critical for success.

Frankie

 

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> The Nagra will certainly have no problem with BASF 468. It should also be
> fine with SM911. I don't know how well it will work with SM900.


Do I have this right ,the BASF 468 would be better then Quantegy 408 or
480 ? also OT.. what would be best for DAT. I have these old machines and I
plan to use them until they stop.

Thanl you

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