Republicans Block DTV Transition Delay

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"Nazi's where socialist in name only, they perfectly fit the definition of fascist, which is the extreme right. That's one of the reasons they hate the communist, extreme leftest."

Lets do a comparison between facism and socialism
Facism the goverment has control over what it deams should be the optimal morality of the society, the goverment gets final control over who can produce what, and who can and cannot make money. The military is the center of the goverment controlling security of the society and policing any ideas that are consider harmful to the powers that be. Now communism, the goverment has control over what it deams should be the optimal morality of the society, the goverment gets final control over who can produce what, and who can and cannot make money. The military is the center of the goverment controlling security of the society and policing any ideas that are consider harmful to the powers that be.

Facism=Communism Communism=Facism. Be it right wing or left wing. A totalitarian state, is a totalitarian state.
 

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I personally am not a big fan of the transistion but I understand that the cell phone companies need the bandwidth. I know of several people who will lose about 1-5 channels because of the range limitations of the current digital air. Good news is that its ment a lot of work for tower crews which I used to be employed by.
My personal response to the idea of postponement is that while yes it is true this will still come as a shock to many who still receive analog tv, there has been a full fledged campain warning people for a year. I heard about this 3 years ago and anyone who doesn't know by now deserves to have to cough up 50 bucks for converter box. I understand its hard times and trying to help out the lower class but we put 1.34 billion in this already. If you were lazy and didn't jump on a rebate in time its your fault and you only are out a 50 buck mistake. You don't push something back that has been in the news for as long as this has been.
 

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Keep the polysci out we're talking broadcast tv.

Do you really want to keep the new lease holders waiting for their bandwidth?

It's progress and I didn't see free tv converter boxes in the constitution. I'm sure that many who asked for them have a compatable tv.

There is more money to be made by forcing the change over than by letting the broadcasters double dip by broadcasting on digital and renting the excess analog bandwidth like they have been doing for the last couple of years.

Bandwidth is a commidity owned by the people not companies. The quicker it is passed on to new users (companies), who have leases and are waiting for the change over, we will see new services/equipment for it. Hmmm... sounds like it could be good for the economy...
 
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People have had a long enough warning about this transition. If you don't have a DTV too bad. Too many things ride on this transition. And for the Dems to spend more money? I see this country going into a depression if this keeps up. I will not re-iterate what others have stated because they have also made some of my points, so nuff said. And I am in no way a Republican. I am however a minority. Republicans have moved far left and moved away from the ideals that have kept this country a wonderful country.

My personal opinnion, great that there are 2+ million people who did not transition to DTV and now they cannot watch the misleading liberal tree-hugging communistic TV shows and news outlets. *Laughs* If TV Media and other Media outlets would just do thier job and report the news as it should be reported instead of a bunch of socialists taking thier liberal sides, we wouldn't be in this predicament and they would not be losing money - look at newspaper, they are going extinct.

Lastly, don't tell me the reason why we are in this recession is because of BUSH. Its not all Bush's fault. Yes he's made stupid decissions but why don't you take a look at all the big financial institutions that went belly up and tell me who did they contribute the most to. I guarantee you, you'll find the president elect in the top three in cash contribution from these financial institutions. And of all top three, heck top ten, cash contributions from these financial institutions are to all democrats.

Whats this world comming to?
 

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Ok, there's so much goin on here, it's boggling. One, anyone who thinks that the Nazis were socialists and not facists, has an extremely whacked view of history. Yes, they were the National Socialist Party... in -name-. I could call myself the High Mighty Ruler of the World, but I don't think anyone would start groveling.

Two, digital service -does- have definitive drop off points. There is no such thing as a "fuzzy" digital signal. It comes in strong or it doesn't at all. There are definately people in the range that can get analog, but would not get digital. I've played with that priciple myself; I've seen it happen.

Three, yes, they should have verified who was getting those coupons to weed out: the misinformed, who got one when they didn't need to, the greedy, who got one "'cause it was free!", and the rich, who "only got what they were entitled to."

The switch should go off without a hitch. If anyone needs a box, they'll figure it out on the 18th, and most of the boxes cost between 40-80 dollars. For a one time investment, and not having to buy a new TV, jeez, suck it up.
 

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Seeing the talk about this transition about a week ago i decided to do my little research. Growing up in the Midwest (tri-state (mo/il/ia)area I called up a few true country folk, & Farmers from my home area to see what they knew. All of them having anywhere from 2-5 channels (NBC/CBS being the main). Not a single one have ever heard of this news not even on their local news they watch every night religiously. Just with Analog to Digital Changes on "Cell Phones" awhile back no news was reported to them till the actual change took place.

News & Government report the changes to the larger population groups (East/West Coast & major Citys) then complain about how rural people are still slow at transitions, when they lack to inform them in the first place. & running a midnight-3am broadcast doesn't count, unless your a bar hopping drunk.

No one cares about the Rural America cause they cant capitalize off them, complain they don't have HighSpeed Internet when you wont give it to them. Complain they don't convert Analog to Digital when you don't even try to tell them.
 

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It's a terrible idea to give out coupons - the only beneficiaries are the manufacturers of those worthless analog to digital boxes. Those boxes probably cost $3 to manufacture in China. But because the gov't is giving out $40 coupons, that inflates the prices everywhere. After all, consumers are subsidized so demand will not go down because of the outrageous prices of $60/box.

This is the equivalent of financial aid to students. The unexpected result of all the government financial aid is that colleges feel they can charge outrageous amounts of tuition. The consumers/students don't care that much because they're insulated by the financial aid.

This is why I don't believe in universal health care - the same exact thing will occur.
 

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the misleading liberal tree-hugging communistic TV shows and news outlets. *Laughs* If TV Media and other Media outlets would just do thier job and report the news as it should be reported instead of a bunch of socialists taking thier liberal sides, we wouldn't be in this predicament and they would not be losing money - look at newspaper, they are going extinct.
Damn, I've got some great laughs out of these comments.

While, I don't believe we should delay this.. those who for some reason didn't know about it or were living under a rock, lose more than "Liberal Media" News.. they lose the Emergency Broadcast System and PBS. Yes, you can still receive the EBS over radio, but how often do people listen to the radio at home? Not as often as they watch TV.

However, it is up to every American to stay informed about what's going on in the country, it is not the duty of the government to hold everyone's hand. The coupons were fine, they helped those in need, prepare for the switch. I am damn sure most people who received said coupon has paid well more than $40 in taxes in their lifetime. It is also not their fault our bloated government most likely wasted just as much money designing this "program" as it did handing out coupons.

Blah blah, dems this, repubs that.. Tree-hugging, socialist, commies this, conservative, fascist, fat cat, tycoons that..

Most of you sound like sound bytes from either a Rush Limbaugh broadcast or Michael Moore "documentary".

Think for yourselves for a change, instead of regurgitating everything which is spoon-fed to you via talking heads who profit from sensational scaremongering.

Whats this world comming to?
Bad spellers it seems, if one were to gauge the future from the comments posted here.
 

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BTW, anyone who thinks that Nazis were fascists and not socialists as just as wrong as anyone who thinks that Nazis were socialists and not fascists. That's cause they were both; however, there are some "fine-point" arguments about whether they were fascists or not yet the same cannot be said about them being socialists. This is because fascism is not as clearly defined as socialism...but anyways.
As far a "fuzzy" signals go, digital does not have the same type of signal problems but it has it's own troubles (dropped frames, etc.)
As far as advertising goes, this digital transition has been talked about to death on many nationally syndicated shows and news outlets, so if someone's not informed it's their problem, regardless if they live in NYC or Bum-F-IA.
I agree that the prices of these "govt cheese" boxes are ridiculous and had the govt just let the free market prevail we would be paying less for these (much less.)
 

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News & Government report the changes to the larger population groups (East/West Coast & major Citys) then complain about how rural people are still slow at transitions, when they lack to inform them in the first place. & running a midnight-3am broadcast doesn't count, unless your a bar hopping drunk.

No one cares about the Rural America cause they cant capitalize off them, complain they don't have HighSpeed Internet when you wont give it to them. Complain they don't convert Analog to Digital when you don't even try to tell them.
I live in rural Michigan. My neighbors are almost all farmers or farm as a hobby, the rest are either like me who enjoy living out in the country or amish. Our TV stations which broadcast over the air, have all been warning their viewers. A lot of them have done "tests" to make sure your converter box was working correctly.

There are 3 or more billboards I see, every Mon-Fri, during my 40 minute commute to work, warning people about the DTV Revolution/Transition.

Michigan has about the worst economy right now in the Mid-west, if not the entire country and yet we're informed. Hell, the station I watch morning news on, also broadcasts in the upper penninsula. There aren't many places in the country that are more rural than the UP.

So I'm just not buying it. I think the government and the media have done a pretty good job letting everyone know about the TV transition. You must have some pretty terrible tv channels in your area. lol
 

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[citation][nom]T-Bone[/nom]BTW, anyone who thinks that Nazis were fascists and not socialists as just as wrong as anyone who thinks that Nazis were socialists and not fascists. That's cause they were both; however, there are some "fine-point" arguments about whether they were fascists or not yet the same cannot be said about them being socialists. This is because fascism is not as clearly defined as socialism...but anyways.As far a "fuzzy" signals go, digital does not have the same type of signal problems but it has it's own troubles (dropped frames, etc.)As far as advertising goes, this digital transition has been talked about to death on many nationally syndicated shows and news outlets, so if someone's not informed it's their problem, regardless if they live in NYC or Bum-F-IA.I agree that the prices of these "govt cheese" boxes are ridiculous and had the govt just let the free market prevail we would be paying less for these (much less.)[/citation]

I believe a lot of people posting comments for this article are getting communism and socialism confused. The two are not one in the same, they are mutually exclusive. There might be a similarity here and there, but are really quite different from each other.

No true socialist system has ever been successful, but the same is true for capitalism. In the US, we're a mix of capitalism and socialism.

The stigma surrounding socialism is appalling, but mostly thanks to misinformation and fear.

A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.

Communism strongly emphasizes central planning and engineering of social order, production, labor, and endeavor.

Whereas modern European socialism the strict central planning facet is de-emphasized, and replaces that level of government infrastructure with regulatory bodies, rather than initiative bodies.

People in the U.S. have grown up in a societal structure that vilifies both socialism and communism with defining qualities usually attributed to: totalitarian, repressive, dictatorial, authoritarian, feudal-like, monarchical regimes conducting societies where the masses suffer while the few elite ride upon their backs enjoying a life of opulence.

Which, if take a few moments to look at it, pure capitalism can lead to that as well.

It is also of my opinion, that the right to bear arms has always been very important, just in case one of our "benevolent" government systems ever decide to turn towards fascism/totalitarianism.
 

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Good God, You people can't tell when I was saying something ironically.

I know there are idiotic hardcore liberals out there, but I didn't think something that outrageous would actually get serious replies.
 

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Eccentric909, I don't think I'm confusing communism with socialism; the word communism does not appear in your quote of me. What is true is that the coupon program is a socialist policy. Also, socialism doesn't mean totalitarianism as communism does. I think that the only "link" between socialism and communism that is maybe inferred in any of these comments is with respect to where communism & socialism share there similarities. BTW, communism & socialism are NOT mutually exclusive (especially when you yourself said that one is a political system and the other an economic system.)
 

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[citation][nom]T-Bone[/nom]communism & socialism are NOT mutually exclusive (especially when you yourself said that one is a political system and the other an economic system.)[/citation]

Exactly. You can have a Democratic Socialism, but you can't have a Democratic Communism.

The odd thing about Communism is, there are no Countries that are communist. All of the countries that say they are communist, are actually socialist.
 

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[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]Blah blah, dems this, repubs that.. Tree-hugging, socialist, commies this, conservative, fascist, fat cat, tycoons that.. Most of you sound like sound bytes from either a Rush Limbaugh broadcast or Michael Moore "documentary". Think for yourselves for a change, instead of regurgitating everything which is spoon-fed to you via talking heads who profit from sensational scaremongering.[/citation]


Extremely well-put.
 

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[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]
Blah blah, dems this, repubs that.. Tree-hugging, socialist, commies this, conservative, fascist, fat cat, tycoons that.. Most of you sound like sound bytes from either a Rush Limbaugh broadcast or Michael Moore "documentary". Think for yourselves for a change, instead of regurgitating everything which is spoon-fed to you via talking heads who profit from sensational scaremongering.[/citation]

Easy to criticize everyone and then not offer anything yourself. Let's hear some of your "original" thoughts.
 

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[citation][nom]TIndytim[/nom]Exactly. You can have a Democratic Socialism, but you can't have a Democratic Communism.The odd thing about Communism is, there are no Countries that are communist. All of the countries that say they are communist, are actually socialist.[/citation]
Gee, I wonder where the stigma comes from? Socialism is the path to Communism.
 

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[citation][nom]T-Bone[/nom]Gee, I wonder where the stigma comes from? Socialism is the path to Communism.[/citation]
There are, and have never been, any communist countries in the world. Communism isn't bad, and Socialism isn't either, but most Socialist countries are Totalitarian, and you'd need to radically change society in order to live in Communism (Which no one has ever done).

Communism is all theoretical, every country that claims to be communist is bullshitting because as long as a single person owns something solely, it's not communism.
 
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"Think for yourselves for a change, instead of regurgitating everything which is spoon-fed to you via talking heads who profit from sensational scaremongering.

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Whats this world comming to?

Bad spellers it seems, if one were to gauge the future from the comments posted here."

Funny, it was my own scarcasm I was laughing at. And that was my opinion. I am pretty sure when I last checked, I am entytled to my own opinion. But regardless...

1) does anyone care if I mispelled a word or I forgot my gramar? This is a forum people post replies quickly. Its not an "ESSSSSAY" or a "phormal Letr" that I have to send to all my bosses and thier boses or the president himself.

2) TV, Radio, knewspaper, etc, are all privellages. And sure, hell yes, you loose EBS and PBS. Wait, whats those things that sound off...when tornadoughs or hurricains come...oh yeah Sighrens. And PBS...? Other than the kiddie shows for my kids, its just another biased leftwing public media outlet that I could careless for. I can think of billyons of other things to do with my hard earned money than support frivelous entities such as PBS. Don't get me wrong, PBS is a good eyedea but wronglie dun.

3) Wait, you are right. I do not think for myselph. That is why I want the guvernment to give me food, tell me wut I can watches, how much I can make, whut medical and dental doctors I can see, tell me I can't drive my 5.7 liter V8 gas guzzling Chevy suburban and I should drive a perdy prius that will never pay for itself because its the "Green" way, etc. Yeah...yuppers. Thats correct.

Well, I hope everyone understood me. Sorry if there are any grammar errors. I really tried HARD to be literate and perfect in my writings because I have to be like an elitest. Otherwise I also feer four our future if we have dumbe people like me around.
 

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Forget the labels and look at the similarities between fascism and socialism as someone else pointed out in a previous post. The fact is that liberals in the 1940-1950's were alarmed that all the most vile and wicked governments were leftist ones so they falsely "moved" fascism to the extreme right which is a joke.

The real spectrum is about government control and personal liberty. On the left you have those who advocate government control over our lives and economy, on the right, you have those who want individual freedoms including the freedom to do stupid things and hurt yourself, and no government control over the economy. Today, we have a mixture that is neither extreme left or extreme right in the United States. But the point is that fascism = socialism and both call for government control and both are just about the same, it was ridiculous to put both at opposite ends from each other, and it shows how indoctrinated our kids are that they can't easily see the B.S. for what it is.

As for the digital TV, it is not a right nor should it be. Can't afford a $40 converter? Too bad, though since the majority of the poor own a car and have cable TV, I seriously doubt that even the poor can't come up with $40. We all have priorities, 99.99% of the people in the United States can come up with $40 after food and shelter, if they don't want to spend that on a TV converter, that's their choice, but it's not because they can't afford it.
 
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