SAE school ? - sorry if it's a dummy question !

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Hi,

I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
studies...

It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?
I guess most of the sound knowledge is gained by experience, but entering in
this school I will learn quickly stuff that would have take me many years to
learn working... Am I wrong ?
Any genral comment about sound schools ?

(maybe someone knows : Which is better Paris or Dam ?)

Thanks
Matthieu

 

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Matthieu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
> But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
> studies...
>
> It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?
> I guess most of the sound knowledge is gained by experience, but entering in
> this school I will learn quickly stuff that would have take me many years to
> learn working... Am I wrong ?
> Any genral comment about sound schools ?
>
> (maybe someone knows : Which is better Paris or Dam ?)
>
> Thanks
> Matthieu



I went to audio school for 2 semesters before realizing that I could
learn all of this on my own, and that taking these classes were not
really going to help me do anything with audio (as in get a job). For
some people it works... for most, you just have to start reading,
interning, and recording on your own. I decided at one point to not do
audio engineering and to study electrical engineering, which I'm now
doing. However, I then got a job mastering for a non profit
organization. It's not big money and I don't work with bands but I get
to work in audio and solve interesting problems. In a few years I'll
be getting my BSEE and moving on though.
Just remember that it is very competitive especially if you want to
work with bands, or have steady pay.

 

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Matthieu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
> But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
> studies...
>
> It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?

It's worth it if you have deep pockets and don't care if you get a job
afterwards. I'm sure they provide great tuition ( at least I hope so ) .

The sound engineering industry rarely made anyone rich. Bear that in mind.
There's 100 ppl available for one job. Also, you may not even pick up a job as a
result of your course.

My advice ? Train as a Lawyer. You can't fail to make money. Ppl will hate you
for it - but you can look down on them and shrug it off when you're loaded.

Graham

 

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I forgot :
here is the site :
http/www.sae.edu

Cheers,
Matthieu

"Matthieu" <matthieu_in_hk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
> But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
> studies...
>
> It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?
> I guess most of the sound knowledge is gained by experience, but entering
in
> this school I will learn quickly stuff that would have take me many years
to
> learn working... Am I wrong ?
> Any genral comment about sound schools ?
>
> (maybe someone knows : Which is better Paris or Dam ?)
>
> Thanks
> Matthieu
>
>
>
>

 

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In article <42d21540$0$4334$636a15ce@news.free.fr>,
"Matthieu" <matthieu_in_hk@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
> But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
> studies...
>
> It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?
> I guess most of the sound knowledge is gained by experience, but entering in
> this school I will learn quickly stuff that would have take me many years to
> learn working... Am I wrong ?
> Any genral comment about sound schools ?
>
> (maybe someone knows : Which is better Paris or Dam ?)
>
> Thanks
> Matthieu

People love to say school is useless, but it isn't. However, don't
expect it to speed you through the process of becoming a proficient
engineer, or to teach you everything you need to know. A recording
school program gives you the foundation you need to understand and
appreciate the the real learning you will do when you later spend time
as an intern/assistant. Both parts of the equation are important to
becoming a well-rounded professional with a better chance of success.
Don't rely on only one part. Get the education and then spend some real
time in an entry level position (not just the month or two internship
that some recording programs require) at a serious studio. You'll learn
a lot about engineering, business, and client relations, not to mention
do some valuable networking. The previous education will give you tools
to help you take advantage of opportunities presented.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
www.promastering.com

 

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In article <1121092880.261067.134220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> revittek@msu.edu writes:

> I went to audio school for 2 semesters before realizing that I could
> learn all of this on my own, and that taking these classes were not
> really going to help me do anything with audio (as in get a job).

Yeah, but being in Paris or Amsterdam could be a lot of fun, and you
probably wouldn't make the trip there unless you had the excuse of
going to the school.



--
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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

 

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I went to SAE just as they opened a brach out here. In short, the
tution was pathetic (non existent). The studio time they usually give
away is equally pathetic (was better when i went). And they do tell you
that you are now a fully qualified engineer (also pathetic). Do note
that im pretty sure it would be a lot better in Europe.

What it did give me, and perhaps the primary reason why I went there,
was a chance to work in a close to pro setup, something that would be
rather difficult to come accross.

As an absolute novice, you either start working for free in a studio,
and learn by observing (no saying that ull get an enginner who would go
out of his way and teach you). The option of being rich and buying ure
own stuff is also there.

If you are a smart learner, you can pik up quite a lot at SAE. Walking
into a studio and saying that you are well versed with Pro Tools does
have it's benifits, as compared to telling them that u never layed ure
hands on a console before. For me SAE kinda jump started my career.
(though certain decisions that i have made over the past two-three
years have so far prevented it from really taking off). One thing
though, SAE will not tech you how to mix. Or any other scool for that
matter.

If you do decide to go, id say give Amsterdam a shot (they have nice
laws there), and once ure there, live in the school library (though
doing so will negate the certain advantages that Amsterdam has to
offer).

Cheers,
Sidhu

 

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Matthieu wrote:
> Hi Sidhu,
>
> what do you exactly mean by
> "The studio time they usually give away is equally pathetic (was better when
> i went)." ?
> Even if the studios are empty you can't use them or something ?

Put here, the studios were usually not empty. They make sure they have
enough students tpo keep running 24/7. And they usually have more than
enough students. Again, europe could be different.

> Why the tution is pathetic ?
> Teacher just reads a book in front of you or smth ?

Teachers here, I have heard that there are some nice instructors in
london. Reading a book summed it up for me. I learnt a lot scavenging
these newsgroups.


> "One thing though, SAE will not teach you how to mix. Or any other scool for
> that matter."
> Which matter ?

any school for that matter... the mater of teaching you how to mix. get
it?


> Do you mean only exp, and maybe friends, can teach you how to mix ?

Your ears tecg you how to mix. It's like painting, someone can teach
you technique, but ure the artist.

>
> Thanks for your answer !

welcome and the very best of luck.

Sidhu

 

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Hi Sidhu,

what do you exactly mean by
"The studio time they usually give away is equally pathetic (was better when
i went)." ?
Even if the studios are empty you can't use them or something ?
Why the tution is pathetic ?
Teacher just reads a book in front of you or smth ?



"One thing though, SAE will not teach you how to mix. Or any other scool for
that matter."
Which matter ?
Do you mean only exp, and maybe friends, can teach you how to mix ?

Thanks for your answer !

Take care
Matthieu





"Sidhu" <nitinsidhu@indiatimes.com> wrote in message
news:1121207192.250799.291900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> I went to SAE just as they opened a brach out here. In short, the
> tution was pathetic (non existent). The studio time they usually give
> away is equally pathetic (was better when i went). And they do tell you
> that you are now a fully qualified engineer (also pathetic). Do note
> that im pretty sure it would be a lot better in Europe.
>
> What it did give me, and perhaps the primary reason why I went there,
> was a chance to work in a close to pro setup, something that would be
> rather difficult to come accross.
>
> As an absolute novice, you either start working for free in a studio,
> and learn by observing (no saying that ull get an enginner who would go
> out of his way and teach you). The option of being rich and buying ure
> own stuff is also there.
>
> If you are a smart learner, you can pik up quite a lot at SAE. Walking
> into a studio and saying that you are well versed with Pro Tools does
> have it's benifits, as compared to telling them that u never layed ure
> hands on a console before. For me SAE kinda jump started my career.
> (though certain decisions that i have made over the past two-three
> years have so far prevented it from really taking off). One thing
> though, SAE will not tech you how to mix. Or any other scool for that
> matter.
>
> If you do decide to go, id say give Amsterdam a shot (they have nice
> laws there), and once ure there, live in the school library (though
> doing so will negate the certain advantages that Amsterdam has to
> offer).
>
> Cheers,
> Sidhu
>

 

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Thanks all for your answers...
I'll try to find my way.

Matthieu




"Matthieu" <matthieu_in_hk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42d21540$0$4334$636a15ce@news.free.fr...
> Hi,
>
> I'm about to apply to SAE school in Paris or Amsterdam.
> But before I would like to have advise from experienced people about those
> studies...
>
> It's quite expensive so does in worth it ?
> I guess most of the sound knowledge is gained by experience, but entering
in
> this school I will learn quickly stuff that would have take me many years
to
> learn working... Am I wrong ?
> Any genral comment about sound schools ?
>
> (maybe someone knows : Which is better Paris or Dam ?)
>
> Thanks
> Matthieu
>
>
>
>

 

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Newcastle college UK has the largest recording facilties in the europe in
education 17 fully equiped studios and over 140 G5 workstations plus loads
of other equipment rooms etc, and because its goverment run its only about
£2000 a year for their degrees.

 

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Simon Adebisi wrote:
> Newcastle college UK has the largest recording facilties in the
> europe in education 17 fully equiped studios and over 140 G5
> workstations plus loads of other equipment rooms etc, and because its
> goverment run its only about £2000 a year for their degrees.

which is way cheaper than SAE tuition fees... and I guess, the education at
a state run college can´t be worse than the 6 hours per week that you get at
the SAE ("part time" mode, 1,5-2 years in complete). If I had to choose, I´d
prefer a state run college, which is a real college and not just some place,
that calls itself a "school" or "college".
On the other hand, Newcastle is not as fancy as Paris or Amsterdam. ;-)
But I would also guess, that those people who go to those cities "to study"
are actually only using that as an alibi. It´s the same with Berlin. I know
enough people who moved there to study, but they mainly wanted to go
"glamorous" and "cool" Berlin instead of having real interest in a good
education - which they could as well have got in their home town or
somewhere else.
Last week, I saw a short TV report on studying in Berlin. One professor
said, he had been teaching in smaller towns/universities before and there
the students would have been much more interested in getting a good
education than what he experienced in Berlin. He said, the students in
Berlin were rather like "okay, if we have to do it, we´ll do it." but with
no real motivation...


Phil

 

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can´t be worse than the 6 hours per week that you get at
> the SAE ("part time" mode, 1,5-2 years in complete).

Yer you get 18+hours a week and the option to book the studios at night and
on saturdays (we are looking at 24/7 access at the mo)

The tutors all have major production/playing credits, such as Dire Straits
and the Police. Sting is our musical advisor and Paul White (from sound on
sound) is our techinical advisor.
Most of the graduates go into the industry at some level. The website is
pretty naff at the mo so ring up and ask to speak to someone if you want to
know more, Danny Porter is the man you want.

> On the other hand, Newcastle is not as fancy as Paris or Amsterdam. ;-)

Or as expencive, although you do have the Sage wich is the largest music
building in the world. Have you been to Newcastle?