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[citation][nom]tuch92[/nom]Cutting corners? Please tell me this was a pun.[/citation]
I thought the same thing. Epic.
I thought the same thing. Epic.
[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]More like Samsung will now stop copying Apple and come up with their own ideas. Samsung is in the wrong and should stop cutting corners by ripping off others.?[/citation]
Kind of like how doesn't design anything of their own. They just buy it or rip it off, add it into their device and call it their own "innovation." You want to know about real innovators? Who designed Apples screens? Who designed the A5 for them? Where did Siri come from? Who designed the first touchscreen phone?
Kind of like how doesn't design anything of their own. They just buy it or rip it off, add it into their device and call it their own "innovation." You want to know about real innovators? Who designed Apples screens? Who designed the A5 for them? Where did Siri come from? Who designed the first touchscreen phone?
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hehehe
corporations rule the word now; not governments
apple has lots more power buying money and Samsung did step on apple's toes
sigh... poor Samsung... for now
corporations rule the word now; not governments
apple has lots more power buying money and Samsung did step on apple's toes
sigh... poor Samsung... for now
"According to the Associated Press, which purchased a copy of the book early, Jobs launched into a profanity-laced tirade when speaking to biographer Walter Isaacson about Android:
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.
In a later meeting with Schmidt (likely the meeting discussed here), Jobs made it clear that he had no plans to settle on this matter:
I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."
The bottom line is Steve Jobs is full on insane and a massive hypocrite. He was fine stealing ideas from universities and peer review articles and patenting common sense designs. Even stealing from android for ios5. And he is fine using ACTUAL Samsung hardware, tech,designs, and patents which courts are forcing Samsung to license because they are standards. But jobs patented a rectangle and its OK? You can't argue against Samsung and say the suits will stop when they stop "copying" when your "god's" stated intent is to run his own company into the ground to destroy someone who made a better product. Lord the ego on this Guy.
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.
In a later meeting with Schmidt (likely the meeting discussed here), Jobs made it clear that he had no plans to settle on this matter:
I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."
The bottom line is Steve Jobs is full on insane and a massive hypocrite. He was fine stealing ideas from universities and peer review articles and patenting common sense designs. Even stealing from android for ios5. And he is fine using ACTUAL Samsung hardware, tech,designs, and patents which courts are forcing Samsung to license because they are standards. But jobs patented a rectangle and its OK? You can't argue against Samsung and say the suits will stop when they stop "copying" when your "god's" stated intent is to run his own company into the ground to destroy someone who made a better product. Lord the ego on this Guy.
Is it me, I am just that stupid, or did Apple, in fact put out a completely different kind of cell phone a few years back, one with a set of features and modes of operation that had never been done by anyone else before? Did not at that time, one Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, the perpetrators of Android sit on Apple's Board of Directors, fully privy to all of their products and plans? I do not own an Apple product (I have a nice prepaid Android but they invented the modern smartphone, end of story. Google flat out stole the most revolutionary new product concept to come along in a long time. Steve had a right to be pissed. Pissed people often do engage in hyperbole. So what?
but they invented the modern smartphone, end of story. Google flat out stole the most revolutionary new product concept to come along in a long time. Steve had a right to be pissed. Pissed people often do engage in hyperbole. So what?[citation][nom]joeyjoe[/nom]Is it me, I am just that stupid, or did Apple, in fact put out a completely different kind of cell phone a few years back, one with a set of features and modes of operation that had never been done by anyone else before? Did not at that time, one Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, the perpetrators of Android sit on Apple's Board of Directors, fully privy to all of their products and plans? I do not own an Apple product (I have a nice prepaid Android but they invented the modern smartphone, end of story. Google flat out stole the most revolutionary new product concept to come along in a long time. Steve had a right to be pissed. Pissed people often do engage in hyperbole. So what?[/citation]
You're right, but unfortunately, Andtards can down rate your comment without a valid explanation.
You're right, but unfortunately, Andtards can down rate your comment without a valid explanation.
Where is Motorola when u need them to sue Apple for using all their patents? 😀
To be honest Apple was a fine innovative company until recently they couldnt take a direct competition and start suing everybody else. Why dont they start learning Intel SandyBridge now, keep beating its competitor in performance, power saving, and price... everything. Consumer are not stupid they know what to buy with their money. If u have a great product @ the right price, they will sell. Suing ur competitor is the last thing u need to do, spend those money develop next gen product than paying lawyers instead.
To be honest Apple was a fine innovative company until recently they couldnt take a direct competition and start suing everybody else. Why dont they start learning Intel SandyBridge now, keep beating its competitor in performance, power saving, and price... everything. Consumer are not stupid they know what to buy with their money. If u have a great product @ the right price, they will sell. Suing ur competitor is the last thing u need to do, spend those money develop next gen product than paying lawyers instead.
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[citation][nom]joeyjoe[/nom]Is it me, I am just that stupid, or did Apple, in fact put out a completely different kind of cell phone a few years back, one with a set of features and modes of operation that had never been done by anyone else before? Did not at that time, one Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, the perpetrators of Android sit on Apple's Board of Directors, fully privy to all of their products and plans? I do not own an Apple product (I have a nice prepaid Android but they invented the modern smartphone, end of story. Google flat out stole the most revolutionary new product concept to come along in a long time. Steve had a right to be pissed. Pissed people often do engage in hyperbole. So what?[/citation]
My question is this: If Apple hadn't created the iPhone would Android, as we know it, exist? Would all the Android touch screen phones, as we have seen them, exist, as we've seen them? We'll never know for sure but its something to ponder. Some would say "Yes, nothing would have changed, the iPhone had absolutely no influence whatsoever." ...but I doubt too many would believe them.
I don't really care. I'm glad both platforms exist, means lots of choices for me and, currently, a bad-@$$ new Galaxy Nexus, SGSII, RAZR, and iPhone 4s. ...but IMHO, there was some Apple innovation there.
My question is this: If Apple hadn't created the iPhone would Android, as we know it, exist? Would all the Android touch screen phones, as we have seen them, exist, as we've seen them? We'll never know for sure but its something to ponder. Some would say "Yes, nothing would have changed, the iPhone had absolutely no influence whatsoever." ...but I doubt too many would believe them.
I don't really care. I'm glad both platforms exist, means lots of choices for me and, currently, a bad-@$$ new Galaxy Nexus, SGSII, RAZR, and iPhone 4s. ...but IMHO, there was some Apple innovation there.
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[citation][nom]joeyjoe[/nom] I do not own an Apple product (I have a nice prepaid Android but they invented the modern smartphone, end of story. Google flat out stole the most revolutionary new product concept to come along in a long time.[/citation]
Um, does anyone even remember Palm. There were "smartphones" before Palm, but I believe they were the first ones to combine a PDA with a phone. Apple in NO WAY invented the smartphone, end of story.
Um, does anyone even remember Palm. There were "smartphones" before Palm, but I believe they were the first ones to combine a PDA with a phone. Apple in NO WAY invented the smartphone, end of story.
"My question is this: If Apple hadn't created the iPhone would Android, as we know it, exist? Would all the Android touch screen phones, as we have seen them, exist, as we've seen them? We'll never know for sure but its something to ponder. Some would say "Yes, nothing would have changed, the iPhone had absolutely no influence whatsoever." ...but I doubt too many would believe them.
I don't really care. I'm glad both platforms exist, means lots of choices for me and, currently, a bad-@$$ new Galaxy Nexus, SGSII, RAZR, and iPhone 4s. ...but IMHO, there was some Apple innovation there."
@halcyon
This isn't some useless thought experiment, but a fact that smart phones would have moved in this direction without Apple.
Why?
Because LG had conceived of the current incarnation of smart phone hardware design with the Prada before Apple did. Just because this wasn't as popular as the iPhone doesn't negate the fact that it was the first.
Because Jeff Han was the one who innovated most of the touch interface tech and designs that Apple uses, while Fingerworks also innovated these touch technologies independently from Apple. Apple simply purchased them and added minor improvements and touches of their own.
There was no significant tech innovation by Apple here. What they had was a hell of an innovative business and marketing strategy.
I don't really care. I'm glad both platforms exist, means lots of choices for me and, currently, a bad-@$$ new Galaxy Nexus, SGSII, RAZR, and iPhone 4s. ...but IMHO, there was some Apple innovation there."
@halcyon
This isn't some useless thought experiment, but a fact that smart phones would have moved in this direction without Apple.
Why?
Because LG had conceived of the current incarnation of smart phone hardware design with the Prada before Apple did. Just because this wasn't as popular as the iPhone doesn't negate the fact that it was the first.
Because Jeff Han was the one who innovated most of the touch interface tech and designs that Apple uses, while Fingerworks also innovated these touch technologies independently from Apple. Apple simply purchased them and added minor improvements and touches of their own.
There was no significant tech innovation by Apple here. What they had was a hell of an innovative business and marketing strategy.
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The tragedy of Apple is that many people would really like to love Apple, but with Apple inexcusable conduct of defrauding customers, patenting the most mundane ideas, and threatening open standards in technology, not to mention selling at exorbitant prices mediocre hardware cased nicely, it is truly difficult to make peace with Apple.
The other day I was reading about Steve Jobs childhood, and I felt a strong sympathy for the guy, but when I reviewed the assault on the march of technology posed by Mr Jobs, I recoiled at the thought of liking him.
The other day I was reading about Steve Jobs childhood, and I felt a strong sympathy for the guy, but when I reviewed the assault on the march of technology posed by Mr Jobs, I recoiled at the thought of liking him.
Besides their decision to pull out Siri for non-iphone 4S from Apps store just shows they have no intention to give support for ex-apple customer further support, that just tells u that this is not the company u want to rely on for any future product support
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(I am positive that ipad 2 is more than capable, to run Siri if Apple want reason that the old iphones have performance issues on Siri.)
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(I am positive that ipad 2 is more than capable, to run Siri if Apple want reason that the old iphones have performance issues on Siri.)
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I hope it works for Samsung, because I think that Apple wants to corner the market for themselves to make more profit & money is what makes the world go around.
You guys are so pathetic and naive to think that any company is trying to do anything other than make money. Samsung et al have far less cases to make against Apple because Apple didn't copy them. Simple. Apple have lots of legal cases to make because Samsung completely ripped off their whole product line.
Android and Android Apps is one big rip off of the Apple App Store - and you all get sucked in because they MARKET it by saying it's open source (that's right, you're being sucked in by MARKETING) - when in reality this means absolutely nothing to the end user. In fact, all it means is that Google assumes no liability for the product, a clever marketing move given all the patents they copied. They leave the manufacturers to fight their case and come off looking like some kind of 'friend'. It also means that it takes manufacturers months to actually release their versions of the operating system, and introduces a whole host of inefficiencies which make the hardware slower. Yet you all praise it, because you've really opened up the source code, and edited it to your benefit? Please. The source code for Android 3.0 was never even released. You're completely brainwashed. And the irony is you think everyone else is.
It's business, all companies are out to make money. Those amongst you who hate Apple have realised Apple are like that, but are so brainwashed by Google that you think they aren't. And that's the naivety. I, on the other hand, recognise that both Google, Apple, Samsung and whoever else you name are ALL trying to maximise their profits in any way they can, and all have massive patent portfolios for a reason.
The only difference is that Samsung showed a blatant disregard for the patents and for showing any kind of innovation whatsoever when they developed any of their products.
All this BS about 'assault on the march of technology' is an absolutely absurd accusation for a tech company which always strives to advance technology, purely because they don't want people to copy their innovations?
Take the recent purchase of Siri. People say Apple was 'douche-baggery' to purchase Siri, but please? It was an excellent, excellent investment for them. They're a company, trying to make money, and Siri will gain them at least their purchase price in sales. Google, on the other hand, failed. Not because they are morally against buying companies, but because Apple just beat them to it. An excellent strategic decision from Apple which allows all their customers to benefit from Siri. Google didn't protect their customers in the same way.
I know which customer I'd rather be.
Android and Android Apps is one big rip off of the Apple App Store - and you all get sucked in because they MARKET it by saying it's open source (that's right, you're being sucked in by MARKETING) - when in reality this means absolutely nothing to the end user. In fact, all it means is that Google assumes no liability for the product, a clever marketing move given all the patents they copied. They leave the manufacturers to fight their case and come off looking like some kind of 'friend'. It also means that it takes manufacturers months to actually release their versions of the operating system, and introduces a whole host of inefficiencies which make the hardware slower. Yet you all praise it, because you've really opened up the source code, and edited it to your benefit? Please. The source code for Android 3.0 was never even released. You're completely brainwashed. And the irony is you think everyone else is.
It's business, all companies are out to make money. Those amongst you who hate Apple have realised Apple are like that, but are so brainwashed by Google that you think they aren't. And that's the naivety. I, on the other hand, recognise that both Google, Apple, Samsung and whoever else you name are ALL trying to maximise their profits in any way they can, and all have massive patent portfolios for a reason.
The only difference is that Samsung showed a blatant disregard for the patents and for showing any kind of innovation whatsoever when they developed any of their products.
All this BS about 'assault on the march of technology' is an absolutely absurd accusation for a tech company which always strives to advance technology, purely because they don't want people to copy their innovations?
Take the recent purchase of Siri. People say Apple was 'douche-baggery' to purchase Siri, but please? It was an excellent, excellent investment for them. They're a company, trying to make money, and Siri will gain them at least their purchase price in sales. Google, on the other hand, failed. Not because they are morally against buying companies, but because Apple just beat them to it. An excellent strategic decision from Apple which allows all their customers to benefit from Siri. Google didn't protect their customers in the same way.
I know which customer I'd rather be.
Samsung should tell Apple this: "Due to current circumstances we are sorry to inform you of a 30% distribution cost increase regarding LCD panels. At this time we are unable do disclose any further details."
Should be a big enough finger right to the face of Apples lawyers.
Should be a big enough finger right to the face of Apples lawyers.
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[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]You guys are so pathetic and naive to think that any company is trying to do anything other than make money. Samsung et al have far less cases to make against Apple because Apple didn't copy them. Simple. Apple have lots of legal cases to make because Samsung completely ripped off their whole product line.Android and Android Apps is one big rip off of the Apple App Store - and you all get sucked in because they MARKET it by saying it's open source (that's right, you're being sucked in by MARKETING) - when in reality this means absolutely nothing to the end user. In fact, all it means is that Google assumes no liability for the product, a clever marketing move given all the patents they copied. They leave the manufacturers to fight their case and come off looking like some kind of 'friend'. It also means that it takes manufacturers months to actually release their versions of the operating system, and introduces a whole host of inefficiencies which make the hardware slower. Yet you all praise it, because you've really opened up the source code, and edited it to your benefit? Please. The source code for Android 3.0 was never even released. You're completely brainwashed. And the irony is you think everyone else is.It's business, all companies are out to make money. Those amongst you who hate Apple have realised Apple are like that, but are so brainwashed by Google that you think they aren't. And that's the naivety. I, on the other hand, recognise that both Google, Apple, Samsung and whoever else you name are ALL trying to maximise their profits in any way they can, and all have massive patent portfolios for a reason.The only difference is that Samsung showed a blatant disregard for the patents and for showing any kind of innovation whatsoever when they developed any of their products.All this BS about 'assault on the march of technology' is an absolutely absurd accusation for a tech company which always strives to advance technology, purely because they don't want people to copy their innovations?Take the recent purchase of Siri. People say Apple was 'douche-baggery' to purchase Siri, but please? It was an excellent, excellent investment for them. They're a company, trying to make money, and Siri will gain them at least their purchase price in sales. Google, on the other hand, failed. Not because they are morally against buying companies, but because Apple just beat them to it. An excellent strategic decision from Apple which allows all their customers to benefit from Siri. Google didn't protect their customers in the same way. I know which customer I'd rather be.[/citation]
You know, I personally don't give a $h!t about open source and the number of apps. Samsung products have superior specs for the price, end of story - I support THEM.
Douche-baggery was not the fact Apple bought Siri, it was the fact that Siri was available on iPhone 3GS and 4... but they took it off to make it a 4S-exclusive feature.
Hardware on Android slowed down by inefficient software? Okay, fine... doesn't really matter, since Android phones STILL have better specs and can afford that inefficient software easily. So far every top Android Phone I tried (SGS, SGS2, HTC Sensation) was blazing fast and cost the same as the iPhone.
But since SGS 2 can read my USB drives and connect to my screen while iPhone 4S can't, I'd rather get SGS2 and not the iPhone 4. No brainwashing at all... if Android phones become overpriced garbage outshined by competitors, I'll flame them, too. In fact, I don't really care about what OS my phone is running, all I need is hardware and the OS that can utilize it. I almost bought a Nokia N8 which could do everything I wanted, despite Symbian (which is a great OS, btw, despite all the flame) but decided I don't even need a smartphone yet - not until they get better battery life.
You know, I personally don't give a $h!t about open source and the number of apps. Samsung products have superior specs for the price, end of story - I support THEM.
Douche-baggery was not the fact Apple bought Siri, it was the fact that Siri was available on iPhone 3GS and 4... but they took it off to make it a 4S-exclusive feature.
Hardware on Android slowed down by inefficient software? Okay, fine... doesn't really matter, since Android phones STILL have better specs and can afford that inefficient software easily. So far every top Android Phone I tried (SGS, SGS2, HTC Sensation) was blazing fast and cost the same as the iPhone.
But since SGS 2 can read my USB drives and connect to my screen while iPhone 4S can't, I'd rather get SGS2 and not the iPhone 4. No brainwashing at all... if Android phones become overpriced garbage outshined by competitors, I'll flame them, too. In fact, I don't really care about what OS my phone is running, all I need is hardware and the OS that can utilize it. I almost bought a Nokia N8 which could do everything I wanted, despite Symbian (which is a great OS, btw, despite all the flame) but decided I don't even need a smartphone yet - not until they get better battery life.
halcyon
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Anybody that see the top Android phones that are out knows they're powerful. The Galaxy Nexus and Droid RAZR are just gorgeous, IMO. ICS looks sweet...if you prefer lots of control and features over simplicity. ...but the iPhone is a phone that can be used, quickly, by just about anyone...a kid or a senior.
That's why both platforms are great IMO, between them the offer something for everyone.
That's why both platforms are great IMO, between them the offer something for everyone.
[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]You know, I personally don't give a $h!t about open source and the number of apps. Samsung products have superior specs for the price, end of story - I support THEM.Douche-baggery was not the fact Apple bought Siri, it was the fact that Siri was available on iPhone 3GS and 4... but they took it off to make it a 4S-exclusive feature.Hardware on Android slowed down by inefficient software? Okay, fine... doesn't really matter, since Android phones STILL have better specs and can afford that inefficient software easily. So far every top Android Phone I tried (SGS, SGS2, HTC Sensation) was blazing fast and cost the same as the iPhone. But since SGS 2 can read my USB drives and connect to my screen while iPhone 4S can't, I'd rather get SGS2 and not the iPhone 4. No brainwashing at all... if Android phones become overpriced garbage outshined by competitors, I'll flame them, too. In fact, I don't really care about what OS my phone is running, all I need is hardware and the OS that can utilize it. I almost bought a Nokia N8 which could do everything I wanted, despite Symbian (which is a great OS, btw, despite all the flame) but decided I don't even need a smartphone yet - not until they get better battery life.[/citation]
See, this is a common misconception. You say that Android phones have better specs - but that is just not true.
The CPU/GPU in the iPhone 4S is the fastest available in any smart phone, full stop. I repeat, the CPU/GPU in the iPhone 4S is the fastest you can get in any phone. If you want power, specifications, then the iPhone 4S is the current leader. The second best is Samsung Galaxy S2 - and then below that is the Nexus Prime. If you take into account the price, Samsung is slightly cheaper, so - it seems to me that both prices are reasonable. If you pay less for Samsung, you get less performance as a result. The 1.2 mhz processors in Android phones are often inferior to the 1mhz A5 chip in Apple, lots get carried away with mhz but really it's a false logic, much like Intel vs AMD clock speeds don't represent performance.
Regarding USB, fair enough - I personally would just plug the phone into a pc, and plug the USB into that - drag and drop the files - doesn't take any extra time and doesn't cause any inconvenience.
Fair enough that you're open to other operating systems, and at least you make the reasonable points that the Samsung is cheaper and has USB connectivity, you seem to be far more balanced than a lot of people on here. The only area where I disagree is that you don't recognise that the iPhone 4S is the current performance leader.
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See, this is a common misconception. You say that Android phones have better specs - but that is just not true.
The CPU/GPU in the iPhone 4S is the fastest available in any smart phone, full stop. I repeat, the CPU/GPU in the iPhone 4S is the fastest you can get in any phone. If you want power, specifications, then the iPhone 4S is the current leader. The second best is Samsung Galaxy S2 - and then below that is the Nexus Prime. If you take into account the price, Samsung is slightly cheaper, so - it seems to me that both prices are reasonable. If you pay less for Samsung, you get less performance as a result. The 1.2 mhz processors in Android phones are often inferior to the 1mhz A5 chip in Apple, lots get carried away with mhz but really it's a false logic, much like Intel vs AMD clock speeds don't represent performance.
Regarding USB, fair enough - I personally would just plug the phone into a pc, and plug the USB into that - drag and drop the files - doesn't take any extra time and doesn't cause any inconvenience.
Fair enough that you're open to other operating systems, and at least you make the reasonable points that the Samsung is cheaper and has USB connectivity, you seem to be far more balanced than a lot of people on here. The only area where I disagree is that you don't recognise that the iPhone 4S is the current performance leader.
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