Saving or deleting ugly photos

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Alan Meyer wrote:
> I heard a very experienced professional National Geographic
> photographer interviewed on TV talking about some of the
> differences between film and digital. One difference he noted
> was that, with digital, he tended to review his shots in camera
> and delete those that he thought were no good. With film, he
> sent his exposed film back to headquarters where his editor
> looked at it before he did - sometimes choosing an image to
> publish that the photographer would have thrown away. Only
> later, after the photo editor singled it out for him, did he
> realize that it was a great shot. He thought that some photos
> were only recognized later for being as good as they were.
>
> So, my question is, how selective are you in keeping photos? Do
> you:
>
> 1. Review a shot immediately after taking it and delete it if it
> doesn't impress you?

I'll only delete shots that are severely screwed up (lens cap on,
pointing at feet, flash didn't go off in a dark room), and even then, I
can rarely be bothered... with a paif of 512MB CF cards, I can get
150-200 RAW shots out of my DRebel before I have to start worrying about
running out of space, even more on various JPG settings, so space is
rarely a consideration.

> 2. Review all your shots in the camera when time permits,
> deleting those that don't impress you?

See above. The on-camera LCD is generally too small to tell whether a
shot is all that good or not, unless you KNOW it's messed up royally anyway.

> 3. Save everything to your computer and review it there -
> deleting shots that don't impress you?
>
> 4. Save everything, impressive or not?

I tend to keep just about everything, except as noted, the ones that are
obviously useless. You just never know what you may have captured that
might be useful later.

> It seems the closer we get to number 1 above, the more likely we
> are to delete good photos by accident.
>
> But the closer we get to number 4, the more likely we are to hang
> on to reams of useless, embarrassing dross.

True, but at least in the digital realm, it's not much of a problem.
Storage space is cheap: big hard drives can be had for under a dollar
per gigabyte - that's less than half a cent each to store a RAW 6.3MP
image. DVD+/-R discs can be found for 30 cents each, or just over 6
cents per gigabyte (not counting the cost of the drive, but at <$100 you
make up the difference quickly).
> What do you tend to do? Why?
>
 
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Alan Meyer wrote:

>
> But the closer we get to number 4, the more likely we are to hang
> on to reams of useless, embarrassing dross.
> What do you tend to do? Why?
>
I prefer to view everything on the computer screen with one hand near
the delete button. If I am shooting in RAW, I am sure to trash both the
jpeg and the RAW file. If I can do this fairly soon after shooting, I
will learn more, and save fewer duds/duplicates/eyes closed.

If I'm in the field and have plenty of time, I am likely to trash images
in the camera.

The exceptions would seem to be if the subject is a loved one; there all
but the really horrible ones are saved.

--
John McWilliams
 
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On 27 Dec 2004 12:06:22 -0800, "Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote:

Excellent topic! Can't wait to read replies.
 
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:05 -0500, "Cynicor"
<j.t.r.u..p.i..n...@speakeasy.net> wrote:

>When I review a pic on the camera, I'll delete it if it's badly blurred or
>if it didn't come out - like the corner of a room instead of a person's
>face, or if something walks in front of the lens. Otherwise, I save
>EVERYTHING, usually in both JPG and RAW. I make daily directories with
>shooting information in the name (like "1998-12-11 XMas tree and sideboard")
>so that I can browse through the directory quickly. I can make more than one
>directory with the same date ("2004-12-25 Christmas" and "2004-12-25 Moon")
>if I'm shooting more than one thing. I name them yyyy-mm-dd so that they
>automatically sort by date.

What discipline! (And I'm not being a smart ass) I wish I had that
discipline. I seem to go at it hodge podge using method 1 through 4
at random! :(
 
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I keep every single picture I have been taken since 2000 digitally.That is,
if the picture is totally dark, totally blured, or in anyway totally defect
technically, it will be deleted when I review it on the PC.

I have had a 1Mp camera before. Now I have a 5 Mp camera, and perhaps I will
change the procedure becuase of the more space it will ocupy on disks and
backups.

Regards, Lars.

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I heard a very experienced professional National Geographic
> photographer interviewed on TV talking about some of the
> differences between film and digital. One difference he noted
> was that, with digital, he tended to review his shots in camera
> and delete those that he thought were no good. With film, he
> sent his exposed film back to headquarters where his editor
> looked at it before he did - sometimes choosing an image to
> publish that the photographer would have thrown away. Only
> later, after the photo editor singled it out for him, did he
> realize that it was a great shot. He thought that some photos
> were only recognized later for being as good as they were.
>
> So, my question is, how selective are you in keeping photos? Do
> you:
>
> 1. Review a shot immediately after taking it and delete it if it
> doesn't impress you?
>
> 2. Review all your shots in the camera when time permits,
> deleting those that don't impress you?
>
> 3. Save everything to your computer and review it there -
> deleting shots that don't impress you?
>
> 4. Save everything, impressive or not?
>
> It seems the closer we get to number 1 above, the more likely we
> are to delete good photos by accident.
>
> But the closer we get to number 4, the more likely we are to hang
> on to reams of useless, embarrassing dross.
> What do you tend to do? Why?
>
 
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"Lars Bonnesen" <noone@none.invalid> writes:
> I keep every single picture I have been taken since 2000 digitally...
> I have had a 1Mp camera before. Now I have a 5 Mp camera, and perhaps I will
> change the procedure becuase of the more space it will ocupy on disks and
> backups.

Disks and backups today are typically much more than 5x larger than
they were in 2000, so you shouldn't need to change your procedures.
 
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Lars Bonnesen <noone@none.invalid> wrote:
>I keep every single picture I have been taken since 2000 digitally.That is,
>if the picture is totally dark, totally blured, or in anyway totally defect
>technically, it will be deleted when I review it on the PC.

>I have had a 1Mp camera before. Now I have a 5 Mp camera, and perhaps I will
>change the procedure becuase of the more space it will ocupy on disks and
>backups.

>Regards, Lars.

I do the same and keep all but the totally ruined ones. When
I have the time, I look at the bad ones in more detail and
see if there is anything worth salvaging, such as "is this the
only picture of the grandson at birth" pic. Then I get rid
of the losers.

However, storage is so cheap that there is no reason why you
can't keep them all, unless 90% of the shots you take are ruined...
:)

---- Paul J. Gans
 
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:05:49 -0600, "Don Lathrop" <dl682@concrete.not>
wrote:

>Alan Meyer wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, I'd love to hear any more ideas.
>
>I save all my raw images in a hard drive
>folder with a folder name that starts with
>the date, then includes some info, like this:
....
>When I'm ready to save, I save to a subfolder
>under the original, named for the type of
>image I've created. So I end up with this folder
>scheme:
....
>Some of the shots might be copied out to a
>higher-order folder with a specialized purpose,
>like this:
....
>Now all this said, I often rename images to
>descriptive names, scatter them in junk folders
>and have a heck of a time figuring out where
>they came from!

What I do is to get everything into Photoshop format (.psd) as soon as
possible, after which most variations can be made and saved in a
single file. For example, the black-and-white version can live
alongside the full-colour version, just as 1 or 2 adjustment layers.
Even if I sharpen or blur, I do it by copying the background layer and
applying the filter to the new layer, so I could turn that tweak on or
off, or redo it.

To save on space, I use the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X to create
symbolic links to the original files. For example, I'll have a
directory full of pictures, all taken on the same day but encompassing
different subjects. I'll make two more directories, each for one of
the specialized subjects, and fill each with symlinks to all the
original files. Then in whatever file-browsing application is most
convenient, I'll delete all the irrelevant files from these new
directories; only the links go away, the original files aren't
touched. I can rename the files in the specialized directories to
have descriptive names, but the original files off in the main
directory still have their IMG_1234.JPG names. (Only ran into a
problem with one viewer program, which when asked to delete a symbolic
link, would follow it and delete the original file instead.)

Another way of filtering is to use the "Flag" function in the
Photoshop file browser. Make a directory full of all the shots on a
particular subject, then flag only the best ones that deserve to be
printed or uploaded, and hide all the unflagged ones.

The only time I create other versions is when resizing for a
particular medium. For the web, I'll auto-resize/rescale a whole
bunch of files to a particular width or height; those files can be
thrown away because that operation is easy to repeat anytime.

I'm wondering if it's practical in Photoshop to crop to 4x6, 8x10,
etc. and save that info all in the original file. For example, select
a 4x6 region and save an alpha channel, select an 8x10 region and save
another alpha channel. That way, maybe the cropped versions wouldn't
need to be kept around, they could be regenerated as needed, with the
crop area tweaked a little if necessary.

John
 

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"MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in
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> I have a photo of John F. Kennedy -- pretty ordinary, as you
[snip]
> However, it took on new meaning for me after the assassination, just a
> few months later.


OK, but suppose you had 20 of them, only one of which was in focus. Still
keep them all?

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"bob" <Jwx1.nothing@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "MaryL" <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in
> news:10t1jf3clftol76@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> I have a photo of John F. Kennedy -- pretty ordinary, as you
> [snip]
>> However, it took on new meaning for me after the assassination, just a
>> few months later.
>
>
> OK, but suppose you had 20 of them, only one of which was in focus. Still
> keep them all?

Can you stack the 19 blurry photos to create an image that shows he was
wearing a wire on his back?