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Peter A. Stoll <Lyn1Stoll_spamdel@comcast.net> wrote:

>I wonder whether the firmware in these CF machines actually is set up to
>handle cards bigger than 2 or 4 Gb. There are some implementation seams at
>those two points which may trip up a machine or two. I can vouch the 722
>handles a 4Gb card from personal use.

Our PDAudio can handle hot-swapping of any media that a PDA can accept.
For example, we regularly use an Dell Axim X50v to record at 24/96 to
multiple 2 GB SD cards without dropping a single byte.

It also will handle 4 GB CF cards, external 60 GB USB hard drives and
any other mass storage that Windows Mobile won't choke on.

By the way, we accepting deposits towards the M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96:

http://www.core-sound.com/microtrack_2496.html

We're expecting them to arrive in roughly two weeks.

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
 
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moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) wrote in
news:dcrh9i$983$1@reader2.panix.com:


> Our PDAudio can handle hot-swapping of any media that a PDA can
> accept. For example, we regularly use an Dell Axim X50v to record at
> 24/96 to multiple 2 GB SD cards without dropping a single byte.
>

The lossless hot swap must mean you give the user some kind of "need to
swap soon" warning, I suppose. How long in advance of last possible moment
do you warn? (I assume you are using the PDA RAM as a buffer).

Thanks,
Peter A. Stoll
(I'd be using PDAudio right now had I not swallowed hard at the SD price
and bought an SD722 instead)
 
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Justin Ulysses Morse <ulyssesnospam@rollmusic.com> wrote:

>Even if this recorder sells "street" for the $500 MSRP, and you need
>four $250 4G CF cards, you've still got yourself a high-resolution
>digital recorder that fits in your shirt pocket for $1500. That's
>amazingly cheap.
>
>Is there a good AD converter that'll fit in the other pocket?

You might have a look at our Mic2496:

http://www.core-sound.com/Mic2496.html

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
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Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:

>My Jukebox 3 (I bought it when it was brand new) cost $300, stores
>more than 20 hours of stereo recording, and is small enough so that I
>can toss it into my festival tool kit.

Yes, but Creative only supported it for a bit over a year before they
discontinued it, and it took a darned long time until they issued a fix
for the dropped bits problem. These days it's unsupported. Buy
mass-market products for professional use at your own risk.

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
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Richard Crowley <richard.7.crowley@intel.com> wrote:
>"Mike Rivers" wrote ...
>> Another (for me) loser. No internal hard drive. Can't afford the media
>> to use it for a weekend long gig without having to recycle, and I
>> don't want to trust myself to do that correctly when I'm tired.
>
>*IF* you had enough time between sets/performers and *IF*
>this thing works with CF audio recorders, this might the the answer..
>
>http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/hs80otg.htm
>
>80GB space for $158
>Automatically (one button) downloads device contents into
>hard drive without using computer, etc.

If battery life is 2 hours, and it takes 15 minutes per GB to download
from the CF card, that means it only provides 8 GB of download before
the battery dies. Not comforting.

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
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Jonny Durango <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote:

>Very true...I agree there is a market gap between devices like the R1
>and the 722T that is only filled with cheesy consumer grade stuff like
>the JB3 and iRiver thingy.

We fill that gap with PDAudio.

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Peter A. Stoll <Lyn1Stoll_spamdel@comcast.net> wrote:

>The lossless hot swap must mean you give the user some kind of "need to
>swap soon" warning, I suppose. How long in advance of last possible moment
>do you warn? (I assume you are using the PDA RAM as a buffer).

Check with the Gordon Gidluck at Gidluck Mastering. He's the wizard
behind the Live 2496 and Movie 2496 software for PDAudio.

>(I'd be using PDAudio right now had I not swallowed hard at the SD price
>and bought an SD722 instead)

2 GB SD cards are now selling for under $135. 4 GB SD cards will hit
the market later this month.

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
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In article <dcrkah$3hs$1@reader2.panix.com> moskowit@panix.com writes:

> Yes, but Creative only supported it [Jukebox 3] for a bit over a year before they
> discontinued it, and it took a darned long time until they issued a fix
> for the dropped bits problem. These days it's unsupported. Buy
> mass-market products for professional use at your own risk.

I have lots of unsupported stuff around here. In fact, I'm not sure
what I have that actually IS supported any more. But as long as it
works, I'll continue to use it. And when it doesn't, well I'll cry a
little.

I acutally did use a computer on a remote project not too long ago. I
didn't like it. It was too much trouble, I kept getting distracted by
it (never felt like I could completely ignore it), but it worked. I
guess that's faint praise.



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Currently the media swap feature does not provide a warning system. It's
up to the user to watch the mb usage counter to determine how much space
is left. (Yes, I realize that can be improved)

The recordings are written to an alternate path while the regular path
media is switched out. This can be to internal storage (albeit slower
due to file compression of the internal file store), or it can be to
another media.

In the case of an H5555 (for example) with an expansion pack, you can
record to SD and then write the "alt path" file onto a CF card in the
expansion chassis. It's user configurable, but it has to be a folder
which Windows CE can write to. A button press is required to signal a
media change and another is required to signal the switch back. You can
write to the alternate path insomuch as you have space left there.

I hope to implement FLAC soon which will reduce data requirements by
about 40%. For those of you that don't know, FLAC is a lossless codec
used primarily by the taping community, but it is also beginning to
appear in hardware devices for playback. (see flac.sourceforge.net) Lots
of neat stuff happening with that.

Mike had a comment about media cost. Well it's not that bad as it used
to be and really you can get by with 2 media and a card reader. Data can
be read way faster than realtime. I get 1gb in about 6 min over USB 2.
And now you can get storage devices that have built in readers and a
hard disk. So, much lighter than packing a laptop. However, if you are
running a mix it's a lot more convenient to have a dedicated recorder.
Less to think about. However, all recorders pretty much have limits you
have to watch for anyway.

Windows CE 5.0 is going to have support for USB 2.0 and it also raises
the possibility of internal discs if manufacturers should choose to
include one in the design. I think there's even a Samsung phone coming
out with a 3gb disc real soon. (I don't mean for recording, but it's
interesting to think that a phone can even have that.)

Gordon
http://www.gidluckmastering.com/live2496.html

Len Moskowitz wrote:
> Peter A. Stoll <Lyn1Stoll_spamdel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The lossless hot swap must mean you give the user some kind of "need to
>>swap soon" warning, I suppose. How long in advance of last possible moment
>>do you warn? (I assume you are using the PDA RAM as a buffer).
>
>
> Check with the Gordon Gidluck at Gidluck Mastering. He's the wizard
> behind the Live 2496 and Movie 2496 software for PDAudio.
>
>
>>(I'd be using PDAudio right now had I not swallowed hard at the SD price
>>and bought an SD722 instead)
>
>
> 2 GB SD cards are now selling for under $135. 4 GB SD cards will hit
> the market later this month.
>
 
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In article <a9624$4306ad99$438d4d0b$10813@ALLTEL.NET> gidluck@alltel.net writes:

> Mike had a comment about media cost. Well it's not that bad as it used
> to be and really you can get by with 2 media and a card reader. Data can
> be read way faster than realtime.

My comment was predicated on not having time or attention to do it
during the course of a pretty much full time weekend recording event.
You can get away with two cards if you're dong a casual (for personal
use so only you'll cry if you screw up) recording. But when someone
expects a recording, in a format that they can store on a shelf until
someone asks for it, and it has a reasonable chance of being playable,
and they don't have much money, there's just no way you can use flash
cards, at least not without having a "copy assistant" working along
with you. Volunteers at festivals are cheap and easy to come by, but
not easy to train and to instill a sense of responsibility that the
job HAS to be done RIGHT and RIGHT NOW and not after you get a soda or
listen to a group playing at another stage.


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