Stephen Hawking: Hey Stupid, Let's Go Into Space

[candrwhite]

[citation][nom]Redraider89[/nom]Jesus claimed to be God. So, since He claimed to be God, they are not two different things. I am only saying He is God because He himself claimed to be God.[/citation]

Well actually, what it says is that there is God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. 3 Distinct entities with seperate duties, functioning as one. Think of the 3 as a corporate God if you will.

 

[redraider89]

[citation][nom]candrwhite[/nom]Well actually, what it says is that there is God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. 3 Distinct entities with seperate duties, functioning as one. Think of the 3 as a corporate God if you will.[/citation]

Yes, that is true and in effect, Hawkings is dismissing the three in one, whole person of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. My point in bringing up Jesus is to compare the Man Jesus Christ and the man, Hawkings, who seems to think he is in league with God to be capable of determining if God is involved in creating the universe or not.

 

[redraider89]

That, on top of the fact that there are over 22,000 manuscripts saying that He said what He said. Many, many times more manuscripts than any other documents from that period that are deemed to be historically accurate. For instance, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote Annals of Imperial Romein 115 A.D. We have one copy of the first six books and that is a copy made in 850 A.D., 735 years later. Are you going to say that that book is not accurate? After all, it had over 700 years to be altered. Yet, it is deemed to be completely historically accurate. Meanwhile, we have copies of the Gospels (which are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, since many here probably don't know that), the book of Acts, Pauls letters, and the book of Hebrews that date as early as the first century, the time that most of those who make the claims of Jesus being God lived and could say that what was being written about Jesus was false. So, a 750 year old copy is accurate, but a 80 year copy, dating to within 100 years of when it was first written, the manuscript the Bible is derived from, is not? Utterly crazy to believe that.

A clarification, what I think is crazy about this is that there are too many people who make claims the Bible is not accurate without doing their homework. The Bible didn't last this long as a source of guidance for no reason.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]Redraider89[/nom]First, there is no "THE CHURCH", like it's a clandestine organization trying to influence outcomes of civilization, especially at the turn of the century, that would have the organization to develop a massive literary campaign of the magnitude you are insinuating happened. The only organizations who had those kind of resources at that time were the Jewish religious organization and the Roman Government.[/citation]

So we are in agreement about The Romans & Jews. What we aren't in agreement about was the pick & choose days of The Early Church & what The Holy Bible included & didn't include. As we're probably not in agreement about whether to include what a Saint has to say. My own opinion is that a Prophet has something to say from God, & a Saint doesn't have the authority to say something that God didn't tell him to say on his behalf.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]candrwhite[/nom]Well actually, what it says is that there is God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. 3 Distinct entities with seperate duties, functioning as one. Think of the 3 as a corporate God if you will.[/citation]

I'm sorry, but what you're hinting at, is that it's okay to ignore the 1st & 2nd Commandments. That even psycho's go to Heaven because he's got a cross & someone died for him, & all his heathen victims go to Hell. That nobody was pressuring early Christians about Zeus & kids, that The Catholic Church didn't milk people for lots of land & cash. That The Pope isn't Infallible, with the power to Excommunicate, having NOTHING to do with power, ego, & influence.

 

[liveonc]

BTW, I also wonder if Hell, being where The Romans wanted to go, didn't have anything to do with living & dying in Rome for so long. Does anyone ever wonder how many books were lost forever in the destruction of the Alexandrian Serapeum?

 

[CrackedJelly]

Well I'm off to spend an evening with Stephen Hawking (not Hawkings - c'mon everyone!) at the Royal Albert Hall in London on 20th Oct.

I'm bringing a toothbrush and a towel as I've brushed up on my Douglas Adam. The clues? Large round building, lots of building work nearby recently, Hawking's incessant talk about the 'need to leave' - his message is clear to me. Sold out months ago.....

I'm very worried about the Male/female ratio of ticketholders, although that's a scenario I should have got used to by now.....

For the record I'm agnostic. You know, just in case....

 

[georgec666]

Liveonc - You seem to inflate yourself with all kinds of hype, without an objective consistency. Relax before you pop a vein.
Will religion get you into space? No.
Will science get you into space? Yes. (I mention this for people who like to reference science and religion in the same sentence).
Although, one of the most powerful and lucrative organisations in the word, the Catholic Church, can help out financially. Let’s face it, the religious organisations do not pay any tax! But then that will never happen.
In the end, do you need religion either in outer space or on earth? Some people do, to get their moral compass pointing in the right direction. Other people do not.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]georgec666[/nom]Liveonc - You seem to inflate yourself with all kinds of hype, without an objective consistency. Relax before you pop a vein.Will religion get you into space? No. Will science get you into space? Yes. (I mention this for people who like to reference science and religion in the same sentence). Although, one of the most powerful and lucrative organisations in the word, the Catholic Church, can help out financially. Let’s face it, the religious organisations do not pay any tax! But then that will never happen.In the end, do you need religion either in outer space or on earth? Some people do, to get their moral compass pointing in the right direction. Other people do not.[/citation]

I never said that Science was bad, all I said was that Science isn't enough & that a world without Religion, will wind up making one up themselves. Whether it be North Korea, or other so called Atheist Nations. Even Hitler must have though he was hot stuff! So would you like to live in Ancient Egypt? A place that had steam, but didn't use it for anything? The Great Leader, must have not seen anything special about it!

 

[youssef 2010]

There's always a GOD or who do you think controls this huge ball of rock floating into space

 

[georgec666]

Err…. Again.
1. “So called atheist nations” – Atheists will never make up a religion lol.
2. Hitler was raised Catholic and was an extremist.
3. "So would you like to live in Ancient Egypt?" Yes. The ancient Egyptian god was Horus. Basically Horus was seen as the sun, and the sun sustains life on earth. Although I would not worship it, I do respect it. Is there anything from a scientific point of view about the sun, which theology has a problem with?
Have you ever read up on the Similarities between Jesus' life and the life of the Egyptian God Horus?

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]georgec666[/nom]Err…. Again. 1. “So called atheist nations” – Atheists will never make up a religion lol.2. Hitler was raised Catholic and was an extremist.3. "So would you like to live in Ancient Egypt?" Yes. The ancient Egyptian god was Horus. Basically Horus was seen as the sun, and the sun sustains life on earth. Although I would not worship it, I do respect it. Is there anything from a scientific point of view about the sun, which theology has a problem with? Have you ever read up on the Similarities between Jesus' life and the life of the Egyptian God Horus?[/citation]

So Beckham having a temple in Thailand isn't make believe? Saddam didn't make all those statues because he didn't feel the same way as your "devout" Catholic Hitler? Kim isn't just a ruling class jerk, surrounded by ruling class jerks, with an army of morons willing to kill, just to keep it that way, despite not being able to understand, nor provide for it's own people?

I'm sure you'd like Ancient Egypt! They probably felt the same way about their religion as Hitler, Saddam, Kim, & Pol-Pot felt about theirs. As for not seeing any reason to allow research in the field of steam, I guess The Pharaoh just couldn't see how steam could be useful. So please just go with it, ignore what the Mormons say about what Jesus was & where he lived. Also ignore what Hubbard said about Jesus being a Pedophile, all this talk about thetans, H-bombs in Greenland, & Psych Ops seeing this as a perfect platform to set up shop in establishing 5th column in foreign Countries.

 

[georgec666]

liveonc, sounds like your antenna doesn't pick up all the channels... or maybe just the conspiracy channel.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]georgec666[/nom]liveonc, sounds like your antenna doesn't pick up all the channels... or maybe just the conspiracy channel.[/citation]

I'm just saying how perfect a way to export military, if that's what you're hinting as being koo-koo. BTW, did you know that signing up means that members can use church funds, which they're legally binded to pay back if they ever choose to leave? Did you know that celebrities spread this kind of BS, that washed up John Travolta had an amazing come back, & that so many people idolize these kinds of people as if they were...

So where does all this psychiatry come in? This need to remove thetans & everything that has to do with Establish Religious rulings? Where does the need to have so many lawyers involved in this tax-dodging Scientology, insisting that they need to spread the teachings of a drug addicted, lousy, Science Fiction author come from? Surely it can't be that hard to spread such a believable & praiseworthy guy as Hubbard surely was! ;-)

 

[georgec666]

All foam, no beer.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]georgec666[/nom]All foam, no beer.[/citation]

What do expect? It's American BUD!

 

[candrwhite]

[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]I'm sorry, but what you're hinting at, is that it's okay to ignore the 1st & 2nd Commandments. That even psycho's go to Heaven because he's got a cross & someone died for him, & all his heathen victims go to Hell.[/citation]

No, it's not okay to ignore any of the commandments IMHO. Even the 4th which so many do. As far as Psycho's going to heaven, any one can be forgiven and go to heaven. Notice I said "can be". It's not as cut an dry as you're good you go - you're bad, you don't.

 

[liveonc]

[citation][nom]candrwhite[/nom]No, it's not okay to ignore any of the commandments IMHO. Even the 4th which so many do. As far as Psycho's going to heaven, any one can be forgiven and go to heaven. Notice I said "can be". It's not as cut an dry as you're good you go - you're bad, you don't.[/citation]

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy OR Honor your father and mother? What about Christian Sunday & Muslim Friday? Or that Abraham, Moses, couldn't & Lot had to leave his wife but take the children? I can't count or know everything, but an Almighty All Knowing God can.

 

[fastertove]

Carl Sagan: "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."