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wolfseeker2828
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[citation][nom]rhino13[/nom]Online voting = bad ideaThere are just somethings that need to be done in person.[/citation]
the whole point is that it was for citizens overseas, like those fighting in the Middle East...it CAN'T be done in person o.0
the whole point is that it was for citizens overseas, like those fighting in the Middle East...it CAN'T be done in person o.0
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What??!?!?! They gave out the source code and architecture map? LOL, this system can never be trusted again. I am betting their is some Republican scum that has a hack, and they will employ it during the real voting.
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To me it would seem that we don't need voting systems, what we need are voting identity audits.
Go to vote, get finger printed and retina scanned. Database looks for multi-voters. Fraud removed.
Naturally at the end of the voting, the database is destroyed. This stuff is not to be used for anything other then stopping people for voting twice.
Go to vote, get finger printed and retina scanned. Database looks for multi-voters. Fraud removed.
Naturally at the end of the voting, the database is destroyed. This stuff is not to be used for anything other then stopping people for voting twice.
[citation][nom]LORD_ORION[/nom]What??!?!?! They gave out the source code and architecture map? LOL, this system can never be trusted again. I am betting their is some Republican scum that has a hack, and they will employ it during the real voting.[/citation]
There is an idea, that if you have the source code available, do proper vetting for source code, have enough development put into it, it will be extremely hard to hack.
There is another idea, Security through Obscurity. Problem is if someone unscrupulous puts the code in there, no one knows its there except the coders who might be in on the backdoor. Its proven to be not very handy when people find new ways to poke and prod at systems to find these backdoors and workarounds.
There are many out there who feel that we should have voting be a transparent process. Can we be sure your vote was counted, not changed? What if there is a dispute? E-voting often ignores or neglects any way to verify it. Many believe its by design so it can be tampered with.
Doesn't matter what party someone is on, some people will go to great lengths to retain or get in power. It corrupts.
There is an idea, that if you have the source code available, do proper vetting for source code, have enough development put into it, it will be extremely hard to hack.
There is another idea, Security through Obscurity. Problem is if someone unscrupulous puts the code in there, no one knows its there except the coders who might be in on the backdoor. Its proven to be not very handy when people find new ways to poke and prod at systems to find these backdoors and workarounds.
There are many out there who feel that we should have voting be a transparent process. Can we be sure your vote was counted, not changed? What if there is a dispute? E-voting often ignores or neglects any way to verify it. Many believe its by design so it can be tampered with.
Doesn't matter what party someone is on, some people will go to great lengths to retain or get in power. It corrupts.
darussiaman16
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@rhelme:
Just fyi. It's Washington D.C. They don't have any seats in the House or the Senate. They don't have anyone to elect to the national government. D.C. doesn't get Senators nor a Representative. The only time D.C. residents vote in national elections is for President. In this cycle, all their voting will be only for local positions, like for mayor for instance.
@nforce4max:
Your claims are not very believable. For one thing, you mentioned "...to track more than 20 million illegals across the entire nation." I think the most credible estimates place the total number of illegals in the US at around 11 million.
Just fyi. It's Washington D.C. They don't have any seats in the House or the Senate. They don't have anyone to elect to the national government. D.C. doesn't get Senators nor a Representative. The only time D.C. residents vote in national elections is for President. In this cycle, all their voting will be only for local positions, like for mayor for instance.
@nforce4max:
Your claims are not very believable. For one thing, you mentioned "...to track more than 20 million illegals across the entire nation." I think the most credible estimates place the total number of illegals in the US at around 11 million.
dustcrusher
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Get the back story on how this hack could have happened (when West Virginia is having great success with its Internet voting system):
“Does the DC Fiasco Damn Internet Voting?”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Does-the-DC-Fiasco-Damn-In-by-William-J-Kellehe-101015-957.html
“Scary Stories Fail to Stop Internet Voting”
Abstract:
Rather than using the results of scientific testing, and probability calculation, opponents of Internet voting have commonly resorted to telling scary stories about what might happen. In 2004 this tactic had spectacular success. The Department of Defense had already spent over $22,000,000 on an Internet voting project. It was ready to be used in the 2004 November election, but well publicized scary stories had it halted.
Since that time, state election officials, the military, and DoD have regained their reason, and Internet voting is coming back.
At, http://ssrn.com/author=1053589 (free download)
“Does the DC Fiasco Damn Internet Voting?”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Does-the-DC-Fiasco-Damn-In-by-William-J-Kellehe-101015-957.html
“Scary Stories Fail to Stop Internet Voting”
Abstract:
Rather than using the results of scientific testing, and probability calculation, opponents of Internet voting have commonly resorted to telling scary stories about what might happen. In 2004 this tactic had spectacular success. The Department of Defense had already spent over $22,000,000 on an Internet voting project. It was ready to be used in the 2004 November election, but well publicized scary stories had it halted.
Since that time, state election officials, the military, and DoD have regained their reason, and Internet voting is coming back.
At, http://ssrn.com/author=1053589 (free download)
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