The Xbox 360 Will Win the Console Wars

[Guest]

Xbox will never win because they just dont have the games nor the capacity. I got the xbox on day 1 and i have only played it twice they just dont have the games. PlayStation has the games and Blu-Ray. Games are getting bigger and bigger in size and DVD is no longer cutting it. When the xbox comes with a Cd of some sort that can hold 100GB then maybe they are the future but until then xbox 360 is PS2 version 2.5 Not even to mention HDMI 1.4 so if the future for you is still having to change multiple disc to play a game and be stuck to a game having to upscale itself because it doesnt come in 1080p and your xbox really cant process that power then yeah by all means theres your future.

 

[runninwitscissors]

PC wins out overall.

Even though its market share is low ppl who are really serious about gaming use them.

|xbox | PC | PS3 | Wii |
Controller support | X | X | X | X |
TV support(and#) | X(1) |X(6)EF| X(1)| X(1)|
Upgradeability | | X | | |
Winner in number of functions | | X | | |
Netflix | X | X | X | |
Internet TV (abc.com etc) | | X | | |
Plays other consoles games | | X | | |
Internet access | | X | X | |
Full media center features | | X | | |
Best visuals and frames per second | | X | | |
Lowest IQ to operate | X | | X | X |
Plays online for free | | X | X | X |
Blueray | | X | X | X |
Installs to HD | X | X | ? | |
Able to make 1 legal backup | | X | | |

I can go on but you get the picture. After you figure in costs the Wii and ps3 come out to be cheapest since they dont force you online fees to play your games.PC is next in line if you get a budget one.After you figure in xbox and live for the lifespan of the system the cost is somewhere around 800$ or more and thats if you have only purchaced 1 xox360(rrod).

You need to support the pc more thats why it lacks games.And quit getting bent over and taken advantage of by microshaft.How many fees you gonna let them tag on in the future? Better nip it now and let them know the consumer means business.Xbox live really ---> () !!

 

[runninwitscissors]

i screwed up on blueray

 

[Guest]

@Belardo
Why don't you get out then, we do not want you here nor do we need you here. Your point is baseless since Microsoft has been fixing the rrod and e-74 errors for free. You quote the sales numbers in Japan wow is that supposed mean something. No American console has ever sold well in Japan, so another moot point. What should worry you is the PS3 is still loosing even winning in
Japan. You are a troll and should be burned at the stake end rant...

Sorry about that everyone, I couldn't say who will win the console war. I hope they all do well because competition breeds better products. I own both the 360 and the Ps3, and I love them both. I am going to buy both motion control devices, and pit them against each other. I also think that the PS3 is finding it's identity and doing a good job here in America. They need to stop removing features from their products. I also think the 360 has a good foot forward and is going to do very well this year. The Wii on the other hand I do not see doing so well. HDTV market making great penetration in peoples homes.

 

[nottheking]

[citation][nom]BrianC6234[/nom]Natal will be draining a minimum of 15% of system resources from the 360 so you can figure graphics will start dropping off. And the PS3 isn't very far behind the 360 in worldwide sales.[/citation]
You're misinformed in two areas. First, CPU resources are not used for graphics; that's what the GPU's for. So the GRAPHICS won't be affected by using Natal; the rest of the system processes will.

Secondly, the PS3 has maintained a roughly 6-million-unit trail behind the Xbox 360; this was there on release day due to the latter's one-year-head-start, and over time, Sony has apparently had little sucess in erasing it. Technically, it's eased down to 5.5 million after 3 years in business; so at that rate, it'd take Sony another 33 years to close the gap entirely.

[citation][nom]runninwitscissors[/nom]PC wins out overall.[/citation]
Unfortunately, while Tom's Hardware recently trumpeted the ability to edit comments on the main site, it appears that feature hasn't hit Tom's Guide as well. At any rate, I thought I'd clean your chart up a bit so that it'd look more readable, as well as clearing up some of the categories.

|360|PC |PS3|Wii|
| X | X | X | X | Wireless Controller Support
| - | X | - | - | Keyboard+Mouse support for games
| - | X | - | - | Multi-display support
| - | X | - | - | Upgradable (beyond HDD size)
| X | X | X | X | Netflix
| - | X | - | - | Internet TV (abc.com etc)
| - | X | - | - | Plays other consoles' games
| - | X | X | X | Web browsing
| - | X | - | - | Full media center features
| - | X | - | - | Best visuals and frames per second
| X | - | X | X | "Lowest IQ to operate"
| - | X | X | X | Plays online for free
| - | X | X | - | Blu-Ray
| X | X | X | - | Installs to HD
| - | X | - | - | Able to make backups
| 4 | 15| 7 | 5 | Total

[citation][nom]sinn1[/nom]You quote the sales numbers in Japan wow is that supposed mean something. No American console has ever sold well in Japan, so another moot point. You are a troll and should be burned at the stake end rant...[/citation]
I detect much raging in this post.

It still remains a fact that, like it or not, while North America represents the single largest gaming market, it isn't a majority of the world's gaming market. Also, there haven't been many American-made consoles; in fact, Microsoft is the only American maker of consoles to not flop out across the board.

Also, Microsoft's MSX, (circa 1983) albeit being more a "home computer" than a console, was actually pretty successful in Japan, moreso than it was in other markets. It sold some 5 million or so units in spite of the infamous Video Game Crash of 1983, and gave birth to three of console gaming's most enduring series: Castlevania, Dragon Quest, and Metal Gear.

 

[kashifme21]

PC all the way id never game on a lolsole

 

[Guest]

It is important to look at the underlying thought behind these company's innovations. Nintendo was indeed very bold with the Wii. Likewise Microsoft with Natal. When I watch Sony present the launch and evolution of the PS3 all I hear is technology, technology and more technology.

Without any compelling consumer understanding or appeal for all these features it quickly becomes pointless and as mentioned in the article - complex for the consumer.

For this reason I agree that Sony seems lost - blinded by the need to pack in as much technology as possible without understanding WHY they are doing it.

 

[chickenhoagie]

Reasons why the xbox 360 succeeded in the first place:

-good graphics, and selection of games for the money (lets see uhhh, a whole console to meant specifically to play games on, or spend $1,000 on a computer?)

-it IS keeping up with the future, and they are proving it just by creating their new motion sensor technology which i believe will be better than the Wii

-the online experience may cost a whopping $8 a month, but is also 20 times better than PS3 or Wii online. the fact that I can be so well connected to my friends, i just feel like I'm always with them. they appealed the online experience perfectly for teenagers and young adults

..so 360 may not have blu-ray, but it was also invented before blu-ray was even available. The heat issue was certainly an issue i agree, but microsoft will learn from that mistake. and they did offer a 3 year free warranty to all xbox 360 serial numbers which is a great offer I believe.

Now take this opinion into consideration, as I have owned a PS2, own a Wii, have an $800 asus gaming laptop, and have always been a former PC gamer..along with purchasing an xbox360 a couple years ago. No bias opinion here

 

[Hellcatm]

[citation][nom]THISarticalSTUNK[/nom]"Project Natal" is a PS2 Eyetoy clone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IhkCDEcn0ASony is just waiting to Sue. "PLAYSTATION 2", DO YOUR FREAKING RESEARCH[/citation]

If $ony can sue MS then Nintendo can sue $ony and win. The thing is if Sony sued MS it would loose because the technologies aren't alike. Just from that video doesn't show that Natal is a clone of eyetoy.

This is more like the eyetoy technology
http://www.camspace.com/

Using a regular camera to track motion. As I said before Natal doesn't use a regular camera technology. you do your research. Look into the technolgy of Natal and eyetoy and tell me they are the same. Then look into the technology of Move and Wiimote. You'll find more similarities between wiimote and move than with Natal and eyetoy.

 

[Hellcatm]

[citation][nom]runninwitscissors[/nom]PC wins out overall.Even though its market share is low ppl who are really serious about gaming use them. |xbox | PC | PS3 | Wii |Controller support | X | X | X | X |TV support(and#) | X(1) |X(6)EF| X(1)| X(1)|Upgradeability | | X | | |Winner in number of functions | | X | | |Netflix | X | X | X | |Internet TV (abc.com etc) | | X | | |Plays other consoles games | | X | | |Internet access | | X | X | |Full media center features | | X | | |Best visuals and frames per second | | X | | |Lowest IQ to operate | X | | X | X |Plays online for free | | X | X | X |Blueray | | X | X | X |Installs to HD | X | X | ? | |Able to make 1 legal backup | | X | | |I can go on but you get the picture. After you figure in costs the Wii and ps3 come out to be cheapest since they dont force you online fees to play your games.PC is next in line if you get a budget one.After you figure in xbox and live for the lifespan of the system the cost is somewhere around 800$ or more and thats if you have only purchaced 1 xox360(rrod).You need to support the pc more thats why it lacks games.And quit getting bent over and taken advantage of by microshaft.How many fees you gonna let them tag on in the future? Better nip it now and let them know the consumer means business.Xbox live really ---> () !![/citation]

I may agree with you if there wasn't so much cheating. Now OnLive and/or other services like OnLive would fix this. Since the games are being streamed it would be virtually impossible to chat. So we'll see a year or so after OnLive comes out to see if PC gaming can win over consoles.

 

[Guest]

Decent article, and while between Sony and MS's interface gambit (Move and Natal respectively) I'd say Natal is the more promising, but I can't help but wonder if Natal (and let me say here and now I know next to nothing about it save for the whole lack of a physical controller to interact with the games) is going to provide a visceral enough experience for the core gamers that the 360 attracts. Considering the heavy reliance on shooters (be it first or third person) in their game library I can't imagine Natal providing what I already think to be the perfect experience with the 360 controller. Pulling a trigger and the rumble of the controller as you rip into some Locust horde etc.

Bottom line and what I believe to be mostly true is that Sony and MS are working towards the inverse of what you mentioned is now the Wii's issue, which is lack of steam wherein the idea for the apps that utilise the technology is starting to lack.
Bottom line, and what I suspect to be mostly

 

[smlong]

[citation][nom]tgsa[/nom]True, it's not about numbers sold, but the statistic presented in the article could be misleading. The 360 still has many good games and a few more to come out, but I don't think that will drive its sales. I know a few 360 owners who want nothing more to do with the console. I don't think Natal will drive more sales either, since most people have the Wii and that's good enough for the casual gamers (not to mention the lack of having a controller). I think the Move controller would be better than the Wii's controller and might actually be enjoyed by actual gamers, as long as Sony implements it correctly and it doesn't have the delay the Wii's controller does.But, this is just my opinion and experiences. I know there are a lot of people who like the 360 more and wouldn't touch a PS3. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens closer to the end of they year. I think it'll be based more on the developers and if they can do anything innovative with the technology.[/citation]
I have a Wii and recently got a 360 just so that I have it available when Natal comes out.

 

[Maxor127]

Seriously... is this an April Fools story? If anything, 360 is going to lose more and more traction. And I don't know if they can stick around for a third generation. Pretty much the only thing 360 has going for it now is Natal, which I personally think will be a complete failure. It's not going to appeal to anyone who doesn't already own or enjoy the Wii. I think PS3 will continue to climb. Of course the Wii is going to drop because pretty much everyone has one. The Wii already won the console wars. It's just a matter of who will come in second. Unless Sony shoots themselves in the foot with something completely stupid, or there's a shocking number of stupid people who buy into the Natal crap, I think Sony will be #2. If they cut the XBox Live BS, then the 360 would be a much better buy. PS3 is a better value. Whoever compared paying XBox Live to an MMO is an idiot. An MMO as BS as it is, at least has costs like server maintenance and admins and other costs. XBox Live is more like Steam. And who would pay $15 a month for Steam? To make matters worse, the XBox Live games can lose support and become unplayable online. I could at least see an argument defending Microsoft if they were running dedicated servers, but they're NOT. So what are you paying for? The luxury of being a chump who doesn't know any better.

 

[Guest]

All this talk about misleading Xbox 360 sales figures. Just the fact that there are enough people out there who are willing to go out and purchase a brand new 360 after their old one dies tells you how Microsoft must be doing some thing right. You can say whatever you want about the matter but its a fact, it seems that there are more & more people who are discovering & enjoying the services/ games Xbox 360 has to offer. I also have a ps3 and love Sony's machine but the my 360 flat out got it beat when it comes to overall services.

I believe Microsoft is only company that is truly looking ahead. Just look at the fact that you are able to do view full 1080p movies w/o a blu ray player is a testament. I don't want to hear no nerdy rant about it's not the same as watching the movie with a blu ray player. I don't have robot eyes and i cant tell the difference. I am also glad that they did not implemented wireless integration inside the 360 itself because contrary to popular belief that itself is a limitation and not "future proof". High speed connections are advancing and getting faster every day and ps3 limits you to wireless b/g only. If you want to go faster with your ps3, you still have to purchase a cable and wire up to a network. What I'm saying is good luck trying to stream HD content wirelessly on your ps3.

I don't mind paying between $39.99- $49.99 a year for xbox live gold account because simply put, you get what you pay for. Ps3 service is free and its cool, but it being free, shows. I prefer my xbox 360 dashboard, menu systems and online match service. Its definitely more polished.

Bottom line is that in the end Microsoft saves me tons a year. How? ask my cable tv company. I gave them the golden well deserved boot. Kept the high speed internet though and replaced my cable boxes with Xbox 360's. Yes you read right. Four Xbox 360's in all, all wired up to my high speed network. Now add a netflix account to accompany all the premium goodies on xbox live and I promise, you wont even miss cable tv.

Yes I am a proud owner of both systems but Xbox 360 is clearly the system of choice for both games and overall entertainment in my household.

 

[applesuxs1111]

april fools, ps3 is still superior and will be

 

[argento80]

"The times have changed dramatically." Yeah wolfgang, who guarantees new dramatic changes won't happen until the end of this generation? Your analysis sounds rooted to what you know now, but if anything you can say about the current generation for sure is: too many variables, who could predict the wii's tremendous casual appeal? Who could predict that the PS3 would actually rise after it's disastrous start, it's too soon to claim Natal will be a success, have you seen any game you are not allowed to tell us? As a consumer I'm enjoying the competition, but i wish it was based on quality software instead of hardware gimmicks.

 

[kokin]

[citation][nom]argento80[/nom]"The times have changed dramatically." Yeah wolfgang, who guarantees new dramatic changes won't happen until the end of this generation? Your analysis sounds rooted to what you know now, but if anything you can say about the current generation for sure is: too many variables, who could predict the wii's tremendous casual appeal? Who could predict that the PS3 would actually rise after it's disastrous start, it's too soon to claim Natal will be a success, have you seen any game you are not allowed to tell us? As a consumer I'm enjoying the competition, but i wish it was based on quality software instead of hardware gimmicks.[/citation]
Your last statement sounded like the problem the Wii is facing. The Wii has so much potential, but it is stuck making family-oriented games that don't appeal much to real gamers.

 

[Guest]

Hmm i wish i actually used my 360 and Wii what a waste of money. Sorry Wolfgang just because MS has the market share, doesnt mean they make good games or their service is worth 50 dollars a year. Sorry i just dont really use my XXXBox as much as i use my PS3.

 

[TunaSoda]

I'll take a PS3 controller over an Xbox controller any day

 

[aaron686]

[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]PC DESTROYS ALL!lol[/citation]
Agreed.