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>>I want to back Mike up here, he was telling the OP want they needed to
>>know. The OP seems to be wanting to use TTG to move movies back and
>>forth to manage space, and it's really too slow to do that. While
>>"around real time" isn't exact it doesn't vary that much percentage
>>wise, and it's always too slow to be used for space management. It's
>>better for use in archiving shows, not just temporarily moving them.
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> I question how you know that's what the OP wants to know. Particularly
> since "TiVo to comeback" does not even exist yet.
Well, it's not a crime to attempt to "infer" what somebody wants to do
it you think they may be asking it awkwardly. However, you are correct
that the lack of Tivo-to-comeback is a major limitation.
>>Actually TTG speeds aren't that different over wired or wireless
>>networks, even 802.11b ones. The major limiter seems to be encryption,
>>not network speed. There's a slight gain w/ wired, but not what you'd
>>expect. Hacked boxes obviously remove that limitation and transfer much
>>faster. All told, I think Mike did a good job in informing the OP what
>>they really needed to know.
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> I'm sorry, and this in NOT an attack on either Mike or you, but I have to
> disagree. Giving someone an incorrect answer is NOT by any stretch of the
> imagination 'informing' anyone of anything.
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http
/reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-1012210-3.html
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> From this, just one small example shows a transfer time between 13 minutes
> and 146 minutes for a 30 minute show, depending on quality and network.
> This is clearly not 'real time'.
I believe he said "around" real time, which I would consider accurate,
especially as he was comparing it to hacked speeds. The range you quote
is from 1/2x to 3x realtime, so it's all well within an order of
magnitude, which is understandable considering that compression levels
both from user selected said and variations in recording will alter the
overall size of the file. Hacked speeds would be at least an order of
magnitude faster. When discussing transfer speeds I think it's order of
magnitude that's important, not 2x-5x variations. If transfer speeds
halve from 30 minutes to 15 minutes, it won't change my use very much.
If my transfer speed is reduced from 30 minutes to 3 minutes, my use of
the feature is likely to be altered in a major way.
> Furthermore, according to tivocommunity.com, a wired network will about
> double your transfer speed. In transferring from TiVo to Tivo (both
> wired), one poster says he can transfer a one hour best show in just over
> half an hour. Another says that with a wired config, best quality is real
> time...with the lesser qualities logically following that they would be
> faster.
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http/www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/archive/index.php/t-176212.html
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> At
http/www.sizemoresr.com/mt/archives/000266.html Steve Sizemore states
> with a wireless connection, he gets a 30 minute medium recording
> trasnferred in 20 minutes. What definition of 'real time' does this fall
> under?
Oh c'mon, that's certainly close enough to fall under "around real
time", isn't it?
> I'm sorry, I just can't say that Mike's answer was accurate using any known
> definition of the word. If one wants to press an agenda that hacking is
> superior to TTG, then this may or may not be true. However, making up
> numbers isn't a good way to support that or any other claim.
It is true that one of the weaknesses of TTG is that the transfer speed
is relatively slow, whether over wired or wireless network. I'm not
excoriating Tivo for that, it's just a fact. If it was 10x faster, then
shows could be archived casually. As it is now, it's something that
takes some planning and patience. For instance, there's been numerous
times I would've liked to download the Daily show before I go to work in
the morning (I usually watch TDS tivoed in the morning before work), to
show a particularly funny segment to people I work with, but I can't
wait 15-45 minutes for it to download. If it took 3 minutes I could
easily do it.
Randy S.
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