* Turtle Beach Santa Cruz... what is this card?

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"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
> <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to
>> buy anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want
>> to go out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a
>> Delta card. I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the
>> 2-channel card it replaced.
>
> The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
> Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
> But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

 

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
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>Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
>Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
>much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

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"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
> Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
> that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

At this time, I'm obliged to agree. At one time it was a lot more sonically
accurate than the extant versions of the Live!

 

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> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...

They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an audio
geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech, Tom's
Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before it
becomes mainstream.

 

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> james of tucson <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in
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>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total bastards to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right
> before
> they merged with Voyetra.
>
> Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
> reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
> the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
> needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

For those who don't know, Turtle Beach has the first "pro" quality
soundcards for general sale in PC land. First the Multisound , then the
Tahiti/Monterey, and then the Pinnacle/Fiji before sale to Voyetra.

Are you still in touch with Peter Haller - he's been at Sony (Sonic Foundry)
ever since TB.

geoff

 

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"Lynn Gweeny" <noodle_lover@pastamama.org> wrote in message
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> > I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
their
> > power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>
> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
audio
> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
Tom's
> Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before
it
> becomes mainstream.

Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
Etc. etc.

I couldn't find a reference to it.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

 

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> "Lynn Gweeny" <noodle_lover@pastamama.org> wrote in message
> news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews...
>>> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
> their
>>> power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>>
>> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
> audio
>> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
>> Tom's Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that
>> before it becomes mainstream.
>
> Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
> fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
> Etc. etc.

> I couldn't find a reference to it.

"Delta card" would no doubt be reference to M-Audio's Delta series of audio
interfaces. They range from the audiophile 24/96 to the Delta 1010. There is
at least one that doesn't fit entirely in a standard desktop case, and a
bunch that do. At least two have real mic inputs.

 

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message

> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in
> the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its
> pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

geoff

 

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"Geoff Wood" <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
>
> Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

I don't think so - just did it righter this time.

The Santa Cruz always resampled to 48 KHz, as well.

 

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james of tucson wrote:
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...


What is this love fest with Deltas?

 

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On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:

> What is this love fest with Deltas?

How could you not love them?

 

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In article <slrncpdbbd.ldv.fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> fishbowl@conservatory.com writes:

> > What is this love fest with Deltas?

> How could you not love them?

Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
from M-Audio. That's not to love if you're having problems (and
believe it or not, some people actualy DO have problems getting Delta
cards to work).



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"james of tucson" <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in message
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> On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt <kurt@nv.net> wrote:
>
>> What is this love fest with Deltas?
>
> How could you not love them?

Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
to sound like and insecurity complex.

geoff

 

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On 2004-11-14, Geoff Wood <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote:

> Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
> to sound like and insecurity complex.

I have a perception that people are looking high and low for a
reasonably priced, really good sound card, and they somehow seem
to miss Delta. I'm not suggesting that they are the only card out
there, but for certain combinations of requirements and budget,
they really are the best choice. And every time the subject comes up,
it seems that nobody has ever heard of them.

 

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On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:

> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> from M-Audio.

Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.

 

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"james of tucson" <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in message
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> On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>
>> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
>> from M-Audio.
>
> Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.


Not much help is your audio isn't working right.

An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
problems he got rid of them.

So milages do vary....

geoff

 

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In article <SjVld.1355$3U4.115586@news02.tsnz.net>, geoff@paf.co.nz-
nospam says...
>
> "james of tucson" <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncpfk3p.aov.fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com...
> > On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> >> from M-Audio.
> >
> > Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.
>
>
> Not much help is your audio isn't working right.
>
> An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
> problems he got rid of them.
>
> So milages do vary....

Yep. We got a couple of 1010s and in order to get them to play
nicely together, we have to clock them externally with a decent
clock (using the one in a MOTU MIDI device; not great, but not bad
either). There was some history of problems using more than one
card a while back.
---Michael (of APP)...

 

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> The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
> Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
> But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway
>
heh heh, was kinda lookin at em myself. What is the truth please? Thanks