* Turtle Beach Santa Cruz... what is this card?

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A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
 
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Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
eyes/ears:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
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"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
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>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
 
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com>
wrote:

>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

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"Laurence Payne" <l@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com>
> wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>>come and ask here.
>>
>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>>
>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
> Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
> solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
> GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.
>
> It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
> today, IMO.

I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.
 
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"Phil Wilson" <pdjwilson@whatever.net> wrote in message
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> Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
> eyes/ears:
> http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
> --
> Phil Wilson
>
> "W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
> news:2ro4oaF1brim4U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
but
> >he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
> >come and ask here.
> >
> > How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
> >
> > And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?


It a reasonable '20 bit-ish (or is it 18 ?) card. It is also one of the
few left that take a 'Waveblaster' hardware synth card such as the Yamaha
DB50XG.

Still better sounding that any Soundblaster.

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Geoff Wood wrote:

> "Phil Wilson" <pdjwilson@whatever.net> wrote in message
> news:fOD5d.113806$yh.63426@fed1read05...
>
>>Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
>>eyes/ears:
>>http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
>>--
>>Phil Wilson
>>
>>"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
>>news:2ro4oaF1brim4U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
>
> but
>
>>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>>>come and ask here.
>>>
>>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>>>
>>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
>
>
> It a reasonable '20 bit-ish (or is it 18 ?) card. It is also one of the
> few left that take a 'Waveblaster' hardware synth card such as the Yamaha
> DB50XG.
>
> Still better sounding that any Soundblaster.
>
> geoff
>
>
I've owned the Santa Cruz and upgraded to an Echo MIA. The Cruz is a 16
bit card that internally processes the signal at higher bits to make a
more accurate 16 bit representation. When I upgraded to the MIA, I got a
soundcard which offered me much more headroom when recording in 24 bit
mode. I didn't have to max out the recording levels just to get the best
dynamic range from my recordings. The Cruz is a good starter card, but
if you're somewhat serious about audio, The MIA or Audiophile would be
the way to go.

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"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
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> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
> card... but he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it
> wouldn't hurt to come and ask here.

> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

Very acceptable, but somewhat lower quality for a lot less money.

You can listen to straight-wire bypass tests of this card by downloading
files from http://www.pcabx.com/product/santa_cruz/index.htm .

> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.
 
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:42:07 -0400, "Michael C. Monroe"
<askme@nospam.com> wrote:

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>I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
>sold for $40 at Amazon.com.
>
>It also seems to be 16-bit.
>
>Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

Don't forget it's 4-in, 4-out.

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"Codifus" <codifus@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Geoff Wood wrote:
>
> > "Phil Wilson" <pdjwilson@whatever.net> wrote in message
> > news:fOD5d.113806$yh.63426@fed1read05...
> >
> >>Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my
untrained
> >>eyes/ears:
> >>http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
> >>--
> >>Phil Wilson
> >>
> >>"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
> >>news:2ro4oaF1brim4U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
card...
> >
> > but
> >
> >>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't
hurt to
> >>>come and ask here.
> >>>
> >>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
> >>>
> >>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
> >
> >
> >
> > It a reasonable '20 bit-ish (or is it 18 ?) card. It is also one
of the
> > few left that take a 'Waveblaster' hardware synth card such as the
Yamaha
> > DB50XG.
> >
> > Still better sounding that any Soundblaster.
> >
> > geoff
> >
> >
> I've owned the Santa Cruz and upgraded to an Echo MIA. The Cruz is a
16
> bit card that internally processes the signal at higher bits to make
a
> more accurate 16 bit representation. When I upgraded to the MIA, I
got a
> soundcard which offered me much more headroom when recording in 24
bit
> mode. I didn't have to max out the recording levels just to get the
best
> dynamic range from my recordings. The Cruz is a good starter card,
but
> if you're somewhat serious about audio, The MIA or Audiophile would
be
> the way to go.

I own--and still use--the Santa Cruz card. I see no reason to upgrade
unless there is some extra-audible consideration, like bragging
rights, etc. For $50 it's hard to beat.

Norm Strong
 
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:39:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
wrote:

>"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
>news:2ro4oaF1brim4U1@uni-berlin.de

>> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
>In some sense, perhaps.

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

>Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
>a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
>are only 2-in, 2-out.
>

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normanstrong wrote:

> "Codifus" <codifus@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:cjc98l$1mgv$1@news.interpublic.com...
>
>>Geoff Wood wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Phil Wilson" <pdjwilson@whatever.net> wrote in message
>>>news:fOD5d.113806$yh.63426@fed1read05...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my
>
> untrained
>
>>>>eyes/ears:
>>>>http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
>>>>--
>>>>Phil Wilson
>>>>
>>>>"W. Forsk" <newsgroup@only.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:2ro4oaF1brim4U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
>
> card...
>
>>>but
>>>
>>>
>>>>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't
>
> hurt to
>
>>>>>come and ask here.
>>>>>
>>>>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>>>>>
>>>>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It a reasonable '20 bit-ish (or is it 18 ?) card. It is also one
>
> of the
>
>>>few left that take a 'Waveblaster' hardware synth card such as the
>
> Yamaha
>
>>>DB50XG.
>>>
>>>Still better sounding that any Soundblaster.
>>>
>>>geoff
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I've owned the Santa Cruz and upgraded to an Echo MIA. The Cruz is a
>
> 16
>
>>bit card that internally processes the signal at higher bits to make
>
> a
>
>>more accurate 16 bit representation. When I upgraded to the MIA, I
>
> got a
>
>>soundcard which offered me much more headroom when recording in 24
>
> bit
>
>>mode. I didn't have to max out the recording levels just to get the
>
> best
>
>>dynamic range from my recordings. The Cruz is a good starter card,
>
> but
>
>>if you're somewhat serious about audio, The MIA or Audiophile would
>
> be
>
>>the way to go.
>
>
> I own--and still use--the Santa Cruz card. I see no reason to upgrade
> unless there is some extra-audible consideration, like bragging
> rights, etc. For $50 it's hard to beat.
>
> Norm Strong
>
>
To me, there deifnitely was some extra-audible consideration. Recordings
done on the MIA, I do mostly to vinyl or anything analog to CD, had
better dynamic range, even though it's been argued that both the Cruz
and the MIA can capture all that vinyl has to offer. Some can attribute
the extra dynamic range to the extra headroom that the MIA affords me
when recording, but I think it's that and also that the MIA may have a
more linear response, especially down low. This could be due to the
drivers. The Cruz uses WDM drivers whereas with the MIA, I had the
option, which I took advantage of, of using Purewave drivers which
bypass alot of the WDM stuff like the kernel mixer, so you get a more
pure signal from the card to the driver.
In order for the Cruz to do try to capture the dynamics that the MIA
catches in one go, you'd have to record twice. Once to find the largest
peak in a track, then a second time to adjust your levels to that peak.
With the MIA, I record once, let the meters peak at -10 to -6 db, and
when I finished with all the processing, normalize up.

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"Ben Bradley" <ben_nospam_bradley@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> >> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

> An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
> it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
> with this card?

If your using Win XP, then no real problems for a couple more years at
least.

TonyP.
 
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On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk <newsgroup@only.com> wrote:
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>

> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...

It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".

I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
and serious latency problems.

I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...
 
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"james of tucson" <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in message
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> On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk <newsgroup@only.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...

The SC is the highest spec card (and most recent) that can carry a
WaveBlaster header synth such as the venerable Yammie DB50XG. That synth
just always works straight off , if you have a use for GM or XG midi backing
tracks.

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james of tucson wrote:

> On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk <newsgroup@only.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
>
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>
>
It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
those 16 bits of data.

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On 2004-11-10, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net> wrote:

> It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
> those 16 bits of data.

$20. Notable for having four input channels, which is cool, and for
being total bastards to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

It's a good card for a a gamer or a theare box, might even be one of the
better consumer cards in the price range.
 
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james of tucson <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in
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> $20. Notable ... for
> being total bastards to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
they merged with Voyetra.

Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?
 
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On 2004-11-10, Drily Lit Raga <ay-caramba@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> james of tucson <fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote in
> news:slrncp4lsg.sed.fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com:
>
>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total bastards to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
> they merged with Voyetra.

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

But there's a lot I don't know about this stuff, so maybe I'm naieve.
Really happy with my Delta though :)
 
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In article <slrncp651k.oab.fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> fishbowl@conservatory.com writes:

> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
> anything other than a Delta card.

Oh, OK. I'll sell my Lynx L22.


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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
<fishbowl@radagast.home.conservatory.com> wrote:

>
>Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
>anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
>out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
>I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
>it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :)

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