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From: nousaine@aol.com (Nousaine)
>Date: 6/20/2004 8:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <cb5jh80ug2@news4.newsguy.com>
>
>s888wheel@aol.com (S888Wheel) wrote:
>
>>From: Steven Sullivan ss wrote
>...snips......
>
>>>Hardly. I am suggesting that a common subjectivist
>>>reaction to measurement-based claims of 'no audible difference' is that
>>>the wrong thing has been measured.
>>
>>hardly the case here since nothing since no specific measurements are being
>>discussed.
>>
>>
>> Bromo was kind enough to also allude
>>>to the *other* standby, namely, 'there are things science can't measure
>>>(optional: yet)'.
>>
>>Actually he didn't. He was clearly speaking about the possibility in the
>>practical world that some people may simply not be measuring everything that
>>makes a difference. He made no mention of anything actually being
>>unmeasurable.
>>Scroll up and see for yourself.
>>
>>>The first could be true, but without some viable suggestion for
>>>what the 'right thing' might be, it's hand-waving.
>>
>>
>>It's all hand waving with out any specifics. That would be the case here on
>>both sides.
>
>Let me ask again. If I'm not mistaken you have said that anything that can be
>heard can be measured or perhaps that was more like 'if you can't measure a
>difference than there would be nothing to hear' or something similar. I then
>asked exactly what measureable differences would explain amp/cable sound
>.....
>and I don't recall a response.
I didn't give one. I must have missed the question. I don't think I am the best
person to ask.
>
>Again what should we be measuring to confirm 'amp/wire' sound that we haven't
>already done?
I don't know. Maybe you should be measuring the acoustic output of the
speakers? Any audible differences would certainly show up there. I think you
would do better to ask someone who designs amps. Maybe you could pose this
question to Bill Johnson or Jeff Roland or Nelson Pass.
From: nousaine@aol.com (Nousaine)
>Date: 6/20/2004 8:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <cb5jh80ug2@news4.newsguy.com>
>
>s888wheel@aol.com (S888Wheel) wrote:
>
>>From: Steven Sullivan ss wrote
>...snips......
>
>>>Hardly. I am suggesting that a common subjectivist
>>>reaction to measurement-based claims of 'no audible difference' is that
>>>the wrong thing has been measured.
>>
>>hardly the case here since nothing since no specific measurements are being
>>discussed.
>>
>>
>> Bromo was kind enough to also allude
>>>to the *other* standby, namely, 'there are things science can't measure
>>>(optional: yet)'.
>>
>>Actually he didn't. He was clearly speaking about the possibility in the
>>practical world that some people may simply not be measuring everything that
>>makes a difference. He made no mention of anything actually being
>>unmeasurable.
>>Scroll up and see for yourself.
>>
>>>The first could be true, but without some viable suggestion for
>>>what the 'right thing' might be, it's hand-waving.
>>
>>
>>It's all hand waving with out any specifics. That would be the case here on
>>both sides.
>
>Let me ask again. If I'm not mistaken you have said that anything that can be
>heard can be measured or perhaps that was more like 'if you can't measure a
>difference than there would be nothing to hear' or something similar. I then
>asked exactly what measureable differences would explain amp/cable sound
>.....
>and I don't recall a response.
I didn't give one. I must have missed the question. I don't think I am the best
person to ask.
>
>Again what should we be measuring to confirm 'amp/wire' sound that we haven't
>already done?
I don't know. Maybe you should be measuring the acoustic output of the
speakers? Any audible differences would certainly show up there. I think you
would do better to ask someone who designs amps. Maybe you could pose this
question to Bill Johnson or Jeff Roland or Nelson Pass.