UK Piracy Bill Could Kill Public WiFi Hotspots

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Clintonio

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[citation][nom]V8VENOM[/nom]One more option/luxury removed because of theives ... errr the Robin Hoods of the world, actually you people doing the stealing (err Pirates) that want something for nothing -- you don't give back to anyone ... you just take and take and take and then come up with some lame justification that Corprations are greedy - oh brother.If you want communism, then go be a communist as communism has failed over and over and over again (check your history lessons junior) -- in every aspect of life. Why, because a LOT of people want something for nothing and are just lazy.You want something, buy it! Plain and simple. You can't afford it, then you can't have it. Oh there's a concept, you can't have something ... OMG the world is gonna come to an end.[/citation]

Shut the **** up.
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This is ridiculous, we shouldn't bow down to criminals and terrorists. This is so UnBritish of the government that even I - someone who regularly belittles his homeland - am beggining to feel patrotically angry. British people don't bow down to these things; we fight them head on.

Stupid Nu Labour. They're a bunch of corrupt pr*cks.
 

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montezuma, I'm not saying that this clearinghouse would know what you do on your computer - which, as I firmly agree with you, no one has the right to know. Now if you send packets out on the internet (e.g. in the form of HTTP requests), those are already in the public space. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. So if the clearinghouse sees that (anonymized) user XYZ has been sending numerous packets to PirateBay, uploading and downloading GBs of data, using URLs that point to pirated material, then it is XYZ's fault for publicly breaking the law. Essentially, since the WiFi spots are not full-fledged ISPs, this facilitates the same IP logging that an ISP would do and nothing more. The clearinghouse would not know your true identity unless a court requested it from another independent party that held the knowledge that XYZ == Johnny Pirate.

What I don't want is for wifi hotspots to disappear because there's no way to host them without going to jail. So change the law so that facilitation of and cooperation with law enforcement provides immunity, and then give the hotspots a way to facilitate law enforcement. Of course separation of powers is essential. Require court orders before making the logs of an anonymous individual's activities available for review. Require a stronger court order to identify that anonymous individual. In the end, this doesn't look any worse than what ISPs do, as far as I can tell.
 

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[citation][nom]redplanet_returns[/nom]how old are the politicians that are running today's major countries these days? 12?[/citation]
More like 80. They want to go back to the interwebs of the 1980s.
 

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Government: "We're setting up new laws to fully punish pirates, and we've got new tools with which to catch them".

Pirate: "Good luck! I'm behind 7 proxies".
 

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[citation][nom]TeraMedia[/nom]I like Heraisu's idea. Criminals don't like to work in the light. Take the anonymity out of the equation, reveal who is doing the filesharing, and we'll just see how much pirating people are still willing to do when everyone can see that it's them.[/citation]

KC8DKT is a Ham Radio call. ANYONE on the net and 5min can find me. Its my in-game nick "with TAGs on the start or end" as well as all the webpages that has a screen name.
 

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"this would send entirely the wrong signal and could lead to 'fake' organizations being set up, claiming an exemption and becoming a hub for copyright infringement."

Really? They want to stand behind that statement? That is admitting they are either to lazy or too incompetent to differentiate a legit organization from a front for illegal activities.
 

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First off, im not for piracy, in my opinion it ruins creativity in the entertainment industry because the companies dont risk spending money on artists that may not sell. Piracy also forces companies to sell their products at higher prices so they can cover development and manufacturing costs, this in turn makes piracy over the net more attractive.

But i blame the entertainment industry itself for being the main cause of the piracy that happens over the net, they started by charging a far too high price for their products because they are greedy, this made piracy an attractive option. Then they saw what was happening and they started with their mafia tactics, this turned people against them and more pirates was recruited, and still they keep on with this. I used to speak up against piracy to my friends that download "pirated" files off the net, i no longer do that because of the behaviour of the entertainment industry, i goes as far as to not buy products from Universal music anymore.
 

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"But i blame the entertainment industry itself for being the main cause of the piracy that happens over the net, they started by charging a far too high price for their products because they are greedy, this made piracy an attractive option."

Drivel. No one is entitled to steal. Go ahead, rationalize away immoral and dishonest behavior any way you want. I'm sure the guy who steals from you will have some way to justify it, too.
 

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Where we draw the line? This is what happens when economics or money are more important than freedom, everbody are hungry but the corporation´s apetatide never stops, we now gives more importance to the survival of companies than the man, so the rich get richer and poor that needs free wifi to survive gets ruin and ends more poor...you can never call civilization when the rights of their citizens are destroy for interest of a few companies.. so the monetary system in the end will collapse by itself because it was never meant to protect their people rights?, it was created instead to profit some rich guys? and therefore injustice becomes a reality for everyone but not for the rich people?
 

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Husker +1. How is this an issue of freedom? You have no freedom to steal from others, that's not a right and never was a right. However the right to benefit from one's own work, the right to receive the rewards from one's production, now that's a right. And in case you didn't understand--people have a right to PROFIT from their work. If you don't want to pay, then don't, that's your right, but at no time can you ever take his work without his permission.

Are you hungry? Give me a break, pirates with their broadband access and customized computers are poor? This is such a stupid argument, the equipment needed to pirate just isn't available to the poor, rather if you have such equipment, you are no longer poor and thus the pirates are just rich, spoiled, thieves who want to take someone's livelihood from them and make the creators of content poor.
 
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What the hell is wrong with you ? These mother fuckers who make content are not poor lol and make plenty of money they believe the right in making "Infinite profit " and bitch and whine when there profit are not infinitely expanding from rehashing the same crap. Some magical world where piracy doesn't exist will reduce prices on good . Bullshit there no piracy on the PS3 and the prices are the same . Amazing how many idiot corporate trolls will defend corporation in the moral good of humanity . If the Western world want to live in a Corporate North Korea Disney land with there Fantasy about individuality ,Corporate right and Free market freeing Human potential so be it .
 

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Peter Mandleson - Unelected, 'Fire me twice, I'll come back anyway with even more power'

Gordon Brown - Totally unelected leader chosen entirely by a deal with Blair that had nothing to do with the public, or even the party (whip-controlled party elections don't count)

Gotta love democracy...
 

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[citation][nom]djackson_dba[/nom]No good deed goes unpunished.Why stop there? Sue the government for providing roads used by drunk drivers. They are just as responsible as the cafe owner is for someone misusing a hot spot.[/citation]
punish the government for lisensing liqer
 

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One more example of the Nanny State screwing up our freedom!

You are photographed 300 times on the way to work every morning and taxed outragously, screwed over every month by the banks and gas & water & Electricty companies!

Now they want to stand over your shoulder when you are sitting in your own home on the web!

The Music Industry have been famous for decades for screwing over Artists, Writers, Musicians and most of all the buying public! Things havn't been going great for them because people can get hold of their product bypassing them completely!

I won't lose much sleep on their behalf.

The trouble with this legislation is that all you self righteous corporate slaves are the very people who will get caught out when this stupid law becomes active!

Any self respecting pirate can get around corporate traps but your son or daughter sitting in their bedroom (might know a bit about downloading music) won't! Try explaining in open court how your 15 year old son came by his porn collection hidden on his hard drive.... I bet he has one!

If you think your Wi-Fi is secure, you are living in cloud cuckoo land........ Every time I switch my laptop on I have a choice of wi-fi's to log onto (not that I do) but if I was a pirate I might be tempted!
You the billpayer will be the responsible person if anything is downloaded on your account! & it aint innocent until proven guilty.... It's your connection and your guilty! suck on that!

You will be the first to complain about civil liberties and the nanny state then.....

Just ask yourself this when you are standing up for huge corporations (who are pulling the strings here) when you sit in the cinema & watch a terrible movie where do you go for a refund? (I have not seen a refund kiosk at the odeon)

You just bought an albulm but only 1 song is any good where is the money back guarantee?

These are products which fall outside the sale of goods act.... so the film & Music industry seem to manipulate the law to their own ends...... Stunning!

I 'm not saying pirating songs or movies is right but you might find out in the long run, that You become the victim and You will pay the price!
 
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