Verizon: We'll Push Windows Phone Like We Push Android

[bystander]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Are you serious? This is a registry hack that worked in the Developer Preview but doesn't work in the Consumer Preview because Microsoft is dead-set on requiring users use Metro, at least for logging in, searching and opening apps.There will not be an option to turn off Metro in Windows 8. They even took the trouble to make sure a registry hack will not work either. I'm sure workarounds will be found eventually, but I'm also sure those will not in any way be supported (or made easy) by Microsoft.[/citation]
You do realize what a preview is, right? It is not the finished product, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the restrictions they put on the preview was that you had to use Metro. Wait for the retail version then or use one of the other hacks out there.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]You do realize what a preview is, right? It is not the finished product, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the restrictions they put on the preview was that you had to use Metro. Wait for the retail version then or use one of the other hacks out there.[/citation]

For fuck's sake... http/www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-Start-Button-Metro-Tami-Reller-Nomura,15172.html

Now apologize for being so clueless!

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]For fuck's sake... http/www.tomshardware.com/news/W [...] 15172.htmlNow apologize for being so clueless![/citation]
What does that have anything to do with Metro being required? Removing the Start button, but replaced with the popup menu, has nothing to do with requiring the use of Metro. Metro is the tile interface.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]What does that have anything to do with Metro being required? Removing the Start button, but replaced with the popup menu, has nothing to do with requiring the use of Metro. Metro is the tile interface.[/citation]

Okay, nice trolling. 6/10

For the benefit of anyone else reading: Windows 8 users will have to use Metro for tasks like logging on, logging off, searching, starting apps, etc. There is no way to disable Metro and there is no way built-in way to re-enable the Start Menu. Metro is how Microsoft sees the future of PCs and the desktop mode is only there temporarily, to ease the transition.

 

[bystander]

Well, I've been reading a few different things on the subject, and apparently they may only have 1 version that can "completely" remove the Metro UI, and those with Metro, need to just click the desktop tile, after which it's basically a Win 7 mode. This appears to be what many people are referring to about not having to use Metro.

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Well, I've been reading a few different things on the subject[/citation]

Install VirtualBox, then download Windows 8 CP, install it on a virtual machine, and all will become clear. The Consumer Preview is pretty much exactly how the final product will work.

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Install VirtualBox, then download Windows 8 CP, install it on a virtual machine, and all will become clear. The Consumer Preview is pretty much exactly how the final product will work.[/citation]
MS is apparently releasing a corporate version which will allow you to disable it completely, and for the rest of the versions, you have to log in, then click Desktop and according to some dev's, an add on app can allow you to bypass all the Metro stuff quite easily as well.

I don't see where all the panic is. So you see Metro for 3 seconds as CaedenV had explained. Why is that so horrible?

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]So you see Metro for 3 seconds as CaedenV had explained. Why is that so horrible?[/citation]

What's horrible is Microsoft's motives behind their decision to force Metro on users and to intentionally split the Windows ecosystem into Metro apps and non-Metro applications. They badly want what Apple has with its iOS and iDevices (a walled garden/closed system where they're in total control and get 30% of all software sold on their platform). The thing is Microsoft doesn't have the skill to create such an ecosystem and knows the vast majority of users will not migrate to it voluntarily, so they're trying to leverage their existing desktop OS dominance to force users to move to Metro. In short, they want their own iOS, they can't make it, so they turn Windows into an iOS-like ecosystem and if you don't like it, tough.

Otherwise, why not add a little radio button control that says

( ) Metro
( ) Desktop

[ ] Don't ask me again

The three seconds of having to look at tiles taking up my 27" screen is annoying, but where Microsoft is trying to push users with Windows 8 is fucking insane.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]What I find puzzling is confidence in Microsoft that they can make it in the mobile market.[/citation]
put a large company with seemingly infinate resources, pattents, and manpower into a market that will be replaced (desktop computer OS) and I think we can expect them to pour everything into the new market (phone OS).

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]I tried it in stores several times (maybe 20 min total, most recently Lumia 710) and I chose Android again in the end. WP7 is ok, but nowhere near Android or iOS in capabilities or choice of software.What I find very troubling about Microsoft's mobile strategy is their obsession with infesting my PC with their phone UI despite all evidence that it's been rejected by the market[/citation]
So just keep using Windows 7, like the majority that kept using Windows XP even though Windows 7 was clearly better. Time will tell on Windows 8 and maybe it will take Service Pack 1 to cement it's place in the world but I think they will eventually bow to demands and allow people to alt between Metro and Aero.
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Oh, and saying "well it runs Metro anyway, the desktop is just a shell app" is no different than when they got rid of DOS, it had its day and it was time to move on.
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Is the world ready for Windows 8 and Metro yet? Maybe not but they have to start somewhere otherwise we will stagnate. Without new ideas and different ways of doing things we would still be on command line with green-screen VDUs.
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Will they make mistakes along the way? Absolutely, Vista was a steaming turd but without Vista we would never have got Windows 7, so maybe Windows 8 is the price we have to pay to get to Windows 9 eventually.
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Oh, and 20 minutes of usage over several visits to use WP7 isn't really sufficient to assess it, when you have actually owned one you can offer up an opinion, until then you are simply not qualified

 

[killerclick]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Time will tell on Windows 8 and maybe it will take Service Pack 1 to cement it's place in the world but I think they will eventually bow to demands and allow people to alt between Metro and Aero....[/citation]

All they need to do is make the Metro Start screen resizable so it's not fullscreen when you click the Start button in desktop mode. Also, they should allow Metro apps to run in windows in desktop mode, so they don't split the ecosystem so severely. Why won't they do that? That question and their possible motivations are what really worries me, otherwise I wouldn't give two shits about Windows Phone 7, like I didn't about Windows Mobile or the Xbox or the Zune.

 

[Tuishimi]

I don't know about Verizon, but when I shopped T-Mobile the clerk knew NOTHING about WP7 phones and tried selling me an android-based phone instead. AT&T was the same way... I doubt Verizon's veracity.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Well, I've been reading a few different things on the subject, and apparently they may only have 1 version that can "completely" remove the Metro UI, and those with Metro, need to just click the desktop tile, after which it's basically a Win 7 mode. This appears to be what many people are referring to about not having to use Metro.[/citation]

The Windows 8 desktop still lacks a start menu by default. Metro replaced the start menu. It can be worked around, but most of the Windows 8 whiners are too lazy, stupid, or just didn't know they can do it.

[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]MS is apparently releasing a corporate version which will allow you to disable it completely, and for the rest of the versions, you have to log in, then click Desktop and according to some dev's, an add on app can allow you to bypass all the Metro stuff quite easily as well.I don't see where all the panic is. So you see Metro for 3 seconds as CaedenV had explained. Why is that so horrible?[/citation]

Considering that even the server version of Windows 8 has Metro, I doubt that there will be ANY version that don't have Metro by default any time soon, if at all. Maybe some hackers will find a way to remove Metro from a Windows 8 installation ISO.