What is AV3 on a 4508?

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There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3 shows up.
It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.
 
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On 20 Jan 2005 16:36:05 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:

>There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3 shows up.
>It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.

The RF input (tuner) is treated like input 3, when assigning channel
numbers. My assignment is like this:

0007-0999 DirecTV (connected to input 1)
1002-1946 digital cable (dummy device to make selecting input 2 easy)
2000-2061 analog cable (connected to tuner)

It makes a difference if I get DirecTV locals. Without them, it would
be:

0002-0061 analog cable (tuner)
0070-0999 DirecTV (input 1)
1002-1946 digital cable (input 2)

The dummy device (I'll post more information if anyone cares) could
have been Dish. It would make no real difference. The purpose of that
is to make input selection (for manual recording from another source
like a VCR) easier.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:37:42 -0600, Mark Lloyd
<mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:

>On 20 Jan 2005 16:36:05 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:
>
>>There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3 shows up.
>>It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.
>
>The RF input (tuner) is treated like input 3, when assigning channel
>numbers. My assignment is like this:
>
>0007-0999 DirecTV (connected to input 1)
>1002-1946 digital cable (dummy device to make selecting input 2 easy)
>2000-2061 analog cable (connected to tuner)
>

The assignment of 1-99 seems to be whichever input has the best
selection of channels.
RF3 direct always looks like it is stuck on channel 3 when I look at
it.
Rolling the inputs goes Channel number(raw cable), AV1(cable box),
AV2(DVD/VCR), RF3(useless)
I don't want my 00-99 to be anything but the raw cable since I don't
want to count on a blaster channel swap to record the bulk of my
shows.
 
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:05 -0500, toto@over.the.rainbow.com wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:37:42 -0600, Mark Lloyd
><mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>
>>On 20 Jan 2005 16:36:05 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:
>>
>>>There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3 shows up.
>>>It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.
>>
>>The RF input (tuner) is treated like input 3, when assigning channel
>>numbers. My assignment is like this:
>>
>>0007-0999 DirecTV (connected to input 1)
>>1002-1946 digital cable (dummy device to make selecting input 2 easy)
>>2000-2061 analog cable (connected to tuner)
>>
>
>The assignment of 1-99 seems to be whichever input has the best
>selection of channels.

You could it do that? Some input devices have many more than 99
channels?

>RF3 direct always looks like it is stuck on channel 3 when I look at
>it.

There is a setting for that (although I think it's limited to channel
2, 3, or 4). It's accessed if you try to use the RF connection when
you shouldn't (like with a satellite box putting everything on 4, use
something better than that extra RF).

>Rolling the inputs goes Channel number(raw cable), AV1(cable box),
>AV2(DVD/VCR), RF3(useless)

The last thing is direct access to the tuner. Mostly useless, since
you have limited choices here.

>I don't want my 00-99 to be anything but the raw cable since I don't
>want to count on a blaster channel swap to record the bulk of my
>shows.

The Replay is likely to put it there if:

1. Your cable has no channel numbers greater than 99

and

2. The source connected to input 1 (or input 2 if you don't use input
1) has only channel numbers higher than any channel on your cable
(even if deselected).

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh
 

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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in
news:drp2v05g7f7ur7balt1bk7mb9d2d7uq9rb@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:05 -0500, toto@over.the.rainbow.com wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:37:42 -0600, Mark Lloyd
>><mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20 Jan 2005 16:36:05 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:
>>>
>>>>There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3
>>>>shows up. It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.
>>>
>>>The RF input (tuner) is treated like input 3, when assigning channel
>>>numbers. My assignment is like this:
>>>
>>>0007-0999 DirecTV (connected to input 1)
>>>1002-1946 digital cable (dummy device to make selecting input 2 easy)
>>>2000-2061 analog cable (connected to tuner)
>>>
>>
>>The assignment of 1-99 seems to be whichever input has the best
>>selection of channels.
>
> You could it do that? Some input devices have many more than 99
> channels?
>
>>RF3 direct always looks like it is stuck on channel 3 when I look at
>>it.
>
> There is a setting for that (although I think it's limited to channel
> 2, 3, or 4). It's accessed if you try to use the RF connection when
> you shouldn't (like with a satellite box putting everything on 4, use
> something better than that extra RF).
>
>>Rolling the inputs goes Channel number(raw cable), AV1(cable box),
>>AV2(DVD/VCR), RF3(useless)
>
> The last thing is direct access to the tuner. Mostly useless, since
> you have limited choices here.
>
>>I don't want my 00-99 to be anything but the raw cable since I don't
>>want to count on a blaster channel swap to record the bulk of my
>>shows.
>
> The Replay is likely to put it there if:
>
> 1. Your cable has no channel numbers greater than 99
>
> and
>
> 2. The source connected to input 1 (or input 2 if you don't use input
> 1) has only channel numbers higher than any channel on your cable
> (even if deselected).
>

I agree with the OP about how we would like it to work. Mark if you can
post any tricks to make it more so that would be great.

Basically I want to assign 2-78 to use the internal tuner and 79-999 to
use input 1 which is the Digital Cable box. I have not found any way to
do this in the last few years and have resigned myself to using
1002-1078 for the internal tuner and deselecting 2-78 from the channel
guide.

Of course then when using DVA to search the schedule it compares guide
info to that RTV and the upstairs one (without a digital box and only
channels 2-78) and I get some weird alerts about conflicts or upcoming
shows.
 
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:03:40 GMT, Steph
<CUT_skipatrol@hotmail.com_CUT> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in
>news:drp2v05g7f7ur7balt1bk7mb9d2d7uq9rb@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:10:05 -0500, toto@over.the.rainbow.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:37:42 -0600, Mark Lloyd
>>><mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 20 Jan 2005 16:36:05 GMT, gfretwell@aol.com (Greg) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There are only 2 AV inputs but when you toggle around the inputs AV3
>>>>>shows up. It looks like channel 3 of the RF in.
>>>>
>>>>The RF input (tuner) is treated like input 3, when assigning channel
>>>>numbers. My assignment is like this:
>>>>
>>>>0007-0999 DirecTV (connected to input 1)
>>>>1002-1946 digital cable (dummy device to make selecting input 2 easy)
>>>>2000-2061 analog cable (connected to tuner)
>>>>
>>>
>>>The assignment of 1-99 seems to be whichever input has the best
>>>selection of channels.
>>
>> You could it do that? Some input devices have many more than 99
>> channels?
>>
>>>RF3 direct always looks like it is stuck on channel 3 when I look at
>>>it.
>>
>> There is a setting for that (although I think it's limited to channel
>> 2, 3, or 4). It's accessed if you try to use the RF connection when
>> you shouldn't (like with a satellite box putting everything on 4, use
>> something better than that extra RF).
>>
>>>Rolling the inputs goes Channel number(raw cable), AV1(cable box),
>>>AV2(DVD/VCR), RF3(useless)
>>
>> The last thing is direct access to the tuner. Mostly useless, since
>> you have limited choices here.
>>
>>>I don't want my 00-99 to be anything but the raw cable since I don't
>>>want to count on a blaster channel swap to record the bulk of my
>>>shows.
>>
>> The Replay is likely to put it there if:
>>
>> 1. Your cable has no channel numbers greater than 99
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. The source connected to input 1 (or input 2 if you don't use input
>> 1) has only channel numbers higher than any channel on your cable
>> (even if deselected).
>>
>
>I agree with the OP about how we would like it to work. Mark if you can
>post any tricks to make it more so that would be great.
>

Yes, it would be nice to be able to arrange channels the way you want.
Replay still allows very little customization (I wish it would allow
more, like DVA does).

There are tricks for some things (as in the dummy device, below), but
I don't know of one here. At least, not a seimple one. Maybe, if you
could use a custon schedule (for digital cable ONLY, thats >78). This
seems to be possible, but requires complex setup.

>Basically I want to assign 2-78 to use the internal tuner and 79-999 to
>use input 1 which is the Digital Cable box.

It would do that it the channel ranges for the 2 sources do not
overlap. A deselected channel won't appear in the guide, but the
channel number assignments are determined by what channels are
available, regardless of deselection.

I used to have DirecTV (no local channels, the lowest number they used
was 70) and local cable (channels 2-61). In that case, the Replay
would put cable on 2-61 and DTV on 70+, which worked well. When DTV
added local channels (7-56 here), cable moved to 2002-2061 (it would
have been 1002-1061 without the dummy device* on input 2).

There seems to be no way around that. When I want to select channel 13
(not available on DirecTV), I have to enter 2013. However, I don't do
manual selection that much (just automatic recordings and scheduling
from DVA).

> I have not found any way to
>do this in the last few years and have resigned myself to using
>1002-1078 for the internal tuner and deselecting 2-78 from the channel
>guide.
>

Deselecting? I guess you have the same channels available with the box
as with direct cable, and would prefer the direct cable. I tried to do
that when I first got a Replay. It didn't work.

>Of course then when using DVA to search the schedule it compares guide
>info to that RTV and the upstairs one (without a digital box and only
>channels 2-78) and I get some weird alerts about conflicts or upcoming
>shows.

DVA will allow the schedule setup you want (primary provider:
cable(analog) offset 0, secondary provider: digital cable{with <79
deselected} offset 0), so you're CLOSE. Seems like there ought to be a
"download setup to Replay" option. Maybe you could select everything
with DVA rather than on the Replay?

DVA is more versatile (with channel number assignments) than a Replay.
However, it will not do all it should unless you have DVA arrange the
channels the same as the Replay does. Scheduling will still work, but
scheduled shows will not display.

If you have Dish Network (and now DirecTV), there is a situation where
DVA will not display the same guide as the Replay. There is nothing
you can do about this. This has to do with channels numbered above
999. The Replay maps them to less than 1000. DVA will not. Perhaps
this will be fixed in the next version (3.1 fixed a lot of bugs).


* -- Actually, I didn't need the dummy device here, but added it to
make the channel number assignments of my 3 Replays agree, so DVA
would work properly (see above).

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh