What Laser Pressings Are Better Than The DVD's?

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"Douglas Bailey" <trystero@world.std.com> wrote in message
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> Here are the first four images from that DVDBeaver page, but this time
> comparing the French R2 PAL disc and my Korean R0 NTSC disc:

Thanks for going to all that trouble, Doug. Based on those screen caps,
the Korean disc definitely looks sharper and has less color bleed.

I'm intrigued. I wish there were more details about whether the "new"
Korean Director's Cut disc is really a new transfer or just a reissue.

 

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"Douglas Bailey" <trystero@world.std.com> wrote in message
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> (And I never did
> find a copy of the Japanese director's-cut LD: it was hard enough
tracking
> down a copy of the US CAV theatrical-cut set.)

Had a chance to buy the Japanese LD during Sight & Sound's closeout a
few years ago, but the jacket was in rough shape so I passed.

 

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"Larry Blumenfeld" <tumbleweed@wcox.com> wrote in message
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> Josh, I respect your opinions and knowledge, but why do you - and
> probably others - think DD is such a pain? Both of my players have RF
> outputs for DD, both connect to my demodulator with ease, and bingo!
> I've got DD!

It's a pain in comparison to DVD, where you just connect the digital
output from the player to the digital input on the receiver and you're
set to go for basically all movie sound formats. On laserdisc you can
only get DD from players with an RF-output, which much be then connected
to an external RF-demodulator (usually sell in the range of $150-200),
and from there into a separate digital input on the receiver.

Considering that Dolby Digital was introduced late in the game for
laserdisc (1995), and that the PCM digital tracks often sound richer and
fuller than compressed Dolby Digital anyway even though you lose the
discrete rear surrounds, the hassle of Dolby Digital is usually not
worth the effort for casual LD owners with small disc collections.

 

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not true. not only do you need an ld player with ac-3 output. you then need
to buy a demodulator before it goes to your dts, Dolby digital decoder.
don't know what they cost but something tells me they are expensive. so it's
not as easy to listen to 5.1 on an ld as it is on a DVD

Ron
"John C." <john_c@amdmb.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:08:46 -0400, "ron felder"
> <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >unfortunately most people can't decode the dts soundtrack on laser. much
> >easier to decode the same dts on dvd
> The same reciever or processor that will decode DTS on DVD will work
> just fine on LD. You just need a LD player with an optical or coax
> digital output.
> John

 

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:07:09 -0400, ron felder <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote:
>not true. not only do you need an ld player with ac-3 output. you then need
>to buy a demodulator before it goes to your dts, Dolby digital decoder.
>don't know what they cost but something tells me they are expensive. so it's
>not as easy to listen to 5.1 on an ld as it is on a DVD

DTS doesn't use ac-3 or a demodulator.

For DD, It doesn't take a genius to figure out the requirement for a LD player
with an AC3 output and a demodulator.
Anybody who can't handle that will probably not be able to handle connecting
5 speakers for a DVD and a DD receiver.

 

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understand. so in closing it's easier all the way around audio wise on a DVD
than on ld
"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "ron felder" <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > unfortunately most people can't decode the dts soundtrack on laser.
> much
> > easier to decode the same dts on dvd
>
> You're thinking of Dolby Digital. DTS on laserdisc works exactly the
> same as it works on DVD. All you need is a player with a Toslink or coax
> digital output and a receiver that is compatible with DTS.
>
> It's Dolby Digital that you need an RF-demodulator for, and is generally
> a much bigger pain in the ass to decode from an LD.
>
>

 

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only newer players have the ac-3 output first off. secondly it's just plain
cheaper on a DVD, nothing extra to buy. if your player is like mine and no
ac-3 output then you have the added expense of putting one in. either by
yourself or more costly have someone do it for you. plus to be honest I
started with ld's when the first vp-1000 from pioneer came out. so my
collection is old .once DVD's came out I stopped buying ld's so most of my
collection is from the 80's where Dolby digital 5.1 and dts didn't even
exist. all around plain and simple DVD audio is simpler and cheaper to
decode.

Ron
"Larry Blumenfeld" <tumbleweed@wcox.com> wrote in message
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>
> Joshua Zyber wrote:
>
> >"ron felder" <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:ANGdnQvoUMQNIT_dRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> >>unfortunately most people can't decode the dts soundtrack on laser.
> >>
> >>
> >much
> >
> >
> >>easier to decode the same dts on dvd
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You're thinking of Dolby Digital. DTS on laserdisc works exactly the
> >same as it works on DVD. All you need is a player with a Toslink or coax
> >digital output and a receiver that is compatible with DTS.
> >
> >It's Dolby Digital that you need an RF-demodulator for, and is generally
> >a much bigger pain in the ass to decode from an LD.
> >
> >
> Josh, I respect your opinions and knowledge, but why do you - and
> probably others - think DD is such a pain? Both of my players have RF
> outputs for DD, both connect to my demodulator with ease, and bingo!
> I've got DD!
>
> Granted, if you don't have an AC3RF output it's a pain, but one can be
> added to most players, and demodulators aren't _that_ hard to find
> (nobody seems to want the extra one I'm trying to sell), so if you're
> willing to undergo the "pain" of dealing with that big huge disc, and
> can stifle your impatience waiting for that ten-second side change (or,
> even worse, inserting that third side for the end of the movie), then
> getting DD from a laserdisc is a cinch! Primitive technology is FUN!
>
> Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
>
> Happy trails,
> Larry B.
>
> >
> >
>

 

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that's my point,. though I find Dolby digital and dts sound better than the
pcm on the ld. dts is better than Dolby digital and both better than pcm. it
sounds more robust, louder plus the bass is better. let alone the two extra
rear channels


Ron
"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Larry Blumenfeld" <tumbleweed@wcox.com> wrote in message
> news:40A798F2.1080708@wcox.com...
> > Josh, I respect your opinions and knowledge, but why do you - and
> > probably others - think DD is such a pain? Both of my players have RF
> > outputs for DD, both connect to my demodulator with ease, and bingo!
> > I've got DD!
>
> It's a pain in comparison to DVD, where you just connect the digital
> output from the player to the digital input on the receiver and you're
> set to go for basically all movie sound formats. On laserdisc you can
> only get DD from players with an RF-output, which much be then connected
> to an external RF-demodulator (usually sell in the range of $150-200),
> and from there into a separate digital input on the receiver.
>
> Considering that Dolby Digital was introduced late in the game for
> laserdisc (1995), and that the PCM digital tracks often sound richer and
> fuller than compressed Dolby Digital anyway even though you lose the
> discrete rear surrounds, the hassle of Dolby Digital is usually not
> worth the effort for casual LD owners with small disc collections.
>
>

 

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>not only do you need an ld player with ac-3 output. you then need
>to buy a demodulator before it goes to your dts, Dolby digital decoder

DTS can be passed by any player with an optical (toslink) output, all you need
is a decoder. DD requires an RF-Demodulator which aren't "cheap" but aren;t
terriblly difficult to come by.

 

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>only newer players have the ac-3 output first off.

It can be added to nearly any player.

>secondly it's just plain
>cheaper on a DVD

LD is not a cheap medium, no one is claiming otherwise.

 

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"ron felder" <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> understand. so in closing it's easier all the way around audio wise on
a DVD
> than on ld

Easier yes. "Better" is subjective. At least when it comes to 2-channel
sources, laserdisc PCM sounds vastly better than Dolby Digital 2.0. The
5.1 sound options are more evenly matched.

 

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> "John C." <john_c@amdmb.com> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:08:46 -0400, "ron felder"
> > <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >unfortunately most people can't decode the dts soundtrack on laser.
much
> > >easier to decode the same dts on dvd
> > The same reciever or processor that will decode DTS on DVD will work
> > just fine on LD. You just need a LD player with an optical or coax
> > digital output.
> > John
>
"ron felder" <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> not true. not only do you need an ld player with ac-3 output. you then
need
> to buy a demodulator before it goes to your dts, Dolby digital
decoder.
> don't know what they cost but something tells me they are expensive.
so it's
> not as easy to listen to 5.1 on an ld as it is on a DVD

He was talking specifically about DTS. Dolby Digital is the only format
that requires an RF-output or a demodulator. DTS on laserdisc works
exactly the same on LD as it does on DVD.

(Please don't top-post.)

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "ron felder" <ronfelder@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > understand. so in closing it's easier all the way around audio wise on
> a DVD
> > than on ld
>
> Easier yes. "Better" is subjective. At least when it comes to 2-channel
> sources, laserdisc PCM sounds vastly better than Dolby Digital 2.0. The
> 5.1 sound options are more evenly matched.
>
>

What about DVDs with PCM audio as well? It really isnt fair to compare a LD
with PCM audio to a DVD without the same PCM audio as well.

 

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"Biz" <biznospam@att.net> wrote in message
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> > Easier yes. "Better" is subjective. At least when it comes to
2-channel
> > sources, laserdisc PCM sounds vastly better than Dolby Digital 2.0.
The
> > 5.1 sound options are more evenly matched.
>
> What about DVDs with PCM audio as well? It really isnt fair to
compare a LD
> with PCM audio to a DVD without the same PCM audio as well.

How many DVDs are there with PCM sound? I think I could count them on my
fingers. Meanwhile, almost every laserdisc has PCM as the default sound
option. PCM is the 2-channel standard on LD, and DD 2.0 is the 2-channel
standard on DVD, thus it is fair and proper to compare them.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Biz" <biznospam@att.net> wrote in message
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> > > Easier yes. "Better" is subjective. At least when it comes to
> 2-channel
> > > sources, laserdisc PCM sounds vastly better than Dolby Digital 2.0.
> The
> > > 5.1 sound options are more evenly matched.
> >
> > What about DVDs with PCM audio as well? It really isnt fair to
> compare a LD
> > with PCM audio to a DVD without the same PCM audio as well.
>
> How many DVDs are there with PCM sound? I think I could count them on my
> fingers. Meanwhile, almost every laserdisc has PCM as the default sound
> option. PCM is the 2-channel standard on LD, and DD 2.0 is the 2-channel
> standard on DVD, thus it is fair and proper to compare them.
>
>

Almost every music/concert dvd I have or have heard has PCM audio option.

 

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"Joshua Zyber" <jzyber@SPAMMERS-DROP-DEAD.mindspring.com> wrote:

>How many DVDs are there with PCM sound? I think I could count them on my
>fingers.

Music/concert discs aside, and counting just movies, I know of 18. One
is Criterion's edition of DO THE RIGHT THING. The other 17 are various
titles licensed from Univeral that Image released back in 1998:

Abbott & Costello in the Foreign Legion
Amazon Women on the Moon
Belle of the Nineties
Buck Privates
Buck Privates Come Home [1]
Cocoanuts, The
Horse Feathers
In the Navy
Journey to the Far Side of the Sun [2]
Kiss of the Vampire
Klondike Annie
Monkey Business
Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie [2]
Road to Morocco
Road to Utopia
Serpent and the Rainbow, The [2]
This Island Earth [2]

[1] Package says that it's Dolby Digital, but it's actually PCM.

[2] I don't own these, so I'm not positive about them.

-- jayembee

 

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jayembee wrote:
> Joshua Zyber wrote:

>> How many DVDs are there with PCM sound?
>
> Music/concert discs aside, and counting just movies, I know of 18. One
> is Criterion's edition of DO THE RIGHT THING. The other 17 are various
> titles licensed from Univeral that Image released back in 1998:
>
> [list snipped]

I'll add one more: the original DVD of _City Lights_ (the Image disc),
which has a PCM stereo track for the newer recording of the score. All the
other Image Chaplin discs were DD-only: I'm not sure why this one was
treated differently.

doug

--
"Show me the movie that doesn't deal in black and white..."
--James

 

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Japanese got lucky once more. Most video clips and live concerts are
released with LPCM sountrack (like the JPOP "Mr.Children Live Dec 21" I'm
listening to right now). No other option: LPCM 2.0 is the only soundtrack.

Re-release of Jazz/Classical classics on DVD are usually keeping the LPCM
soundtrack found on LD. Result: you can get the LD for really cheap 🙂

Rgds,
Julien


Biz wrote:
> What about DVDs with PCM audio as well? It really isnt fair to compare a LD
> with PCM audio to a DVD without the same PCM audio as well.

 

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"jayembee" <jayembeenospam@snurcher.com> wrote in message
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> >How many DVDs are there with PCM sound? I think I could count them on
my
> >fingers.
>
> Music/concert discs aside, and counting just movies, I know of 18.

I stand corrected. I had to bring some of my toes in on this one!

 

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>The LD releases of The Shadow with Alec Baldwin are better than the DVD. The
only DVD version is Pan&Scan with DD sound. Both LDs had widescreen>

I own the DTS WS LaserDisc of The Shadow and did not purchase the P&S
DTS DVD. If the DVD had offered OAR and anamorphic enhancement, but only had
Dolby Digital 5.1, I would have likely purchased it, but would probably keep
the DTS LD as well. If the choice is difficult, I usually choose both. In the
case of the P&S DTS DVD, the choice was easy. I rejected it.
Kraig