Which gaming laptop is the best?

[ivikop]

Both are second hand and both have a similar price. EDIT: not worried about loading times, I prefer the better gaming performance
1. ASUS ROG CPU : Core i7-3630qm (2.4) GPU: Nvidia GTX 670MX 3gb DDR5 RAM: 8GB Corsair Vengeance HDD: 750gb + SSD 512gb http/www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-G75VX-T4020H-Notebook.86730.0.html

2. MSI CPU: Core i7-4700mq (2.4) GPU: Nvidia GTX 765m 2gb DDR5 RAM: 8GB standard HDD: 750gb http/www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00151296.html

3.MSI CPU: core i5-4200h dual core, nvidia gtx 850m ddr3 2gb, 8gb ram, 750hdd

Thank you in advance

 

[ivikop]

Wow yeah... The cpu is indeed a limiting factor, that's why I'm trying to avoid a full amd combo, just imagine that card paired with an i7-4700... Shame they made that model full MSi because apparently it's one of the best cards out there. So I guess it would be more worth it to get an i7 and a less powerful Nvidia gpu because altogether it would perform better. I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min. The weak battery on the msi doesn't really concern me as I'm planning to use it as a desktop replacement, but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides. As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?

I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months.
PS: Thanks for replying and guiding me through this difficult choice

Razer Blade

Oh wow such a solution, you contributed so much in helping me. Please try not posting useless comments if you have nothing constructive to say.

" I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min"
The frequency of the disk is not really that important when gaming, levels will load quicker but it won't (or it will rarely) help in getting more fps

"but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides."
That's true though

"As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?"
I haven't had any experiences with overclocking, therefore I would be useless to tell

"I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months."

Okay, so... from the information we've gathered, it's narrowed down to i7 4700mq + 765m vs i7 3630mq + 670mx

i7 4700mq beats i7 3630mq. However, neither of them shouldn't be a botttleneck at all
765m vs 670mx
765 would clearly win by ~15% (stock). I don't know about overclocked values
The MSI wins specs-wise
The asus has an SSD and 1 more vRAM GB which are bonuses but they aren't deciding factors

Now if someone with more overclocking experience could help you I think you would be ready to select.
There's also the cooling, have you found any reviews specifying any of these systems heating to death/bluescreens/performing worse because of the heat limit?

I would personally take the 765 + i7 combination because it beats the 1st system by its stock values. The 850m + i5 4200h should also be pretty powerful as the GPU is even better and the CPU is quite powerful but it's dual core and even though not every game supports more than 2 cores it would certainly help IMO. The tough decision is 2nd vs 3rd if we ignore SSDs/disk speed (as we don't care about loading times), extra vRAM (as most games won't need more than 2GB and only 1 display is used), overclocking (this is subjective and hard to tell without some past experiences) and cooling (you can actually look at some reviews and I may not be of much use as I haven't owned any of these systems)

Thanks once again for being the only one who take his time to help me make my decision. http/www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GE70-i765M287-Notebook.98244.0.html According to notebookcheck, "The case surface warms up to almost 60 °C (140 °F) at some spots and the processor once again cannot maintain its clock during the stress test and throttles just after a couple of minutes. Better ventilation would have been beneficial for the GE70".
I have checked as you told me and many people are complaining that the temps go near 90 degrees. Apparently this model is known for heat issues due to only one exhaust.

On this forum http/forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/737377-nvidea-670mx-vs-765m.html which I don't really consider as a legit source of information, apparently 670mx has overclocking potential, but since you don't know nothing about it (neither do I), maybe someone else could jump in this thread. I found an overclocking of the exact same model http/www.overclock.net/t/1370714/gtx-670mx-overclocking-updated-custom-bios-file but I don't know much about benchmarks, could you tell me if they beat 765m? Also, concerning OCing, is it only enough to do it with msi afterburner, or is there more to it?

I know how heat problems are, I'm already facing them with my current laptop and they're very annoying, seems like I could fry eggs on the left side of my laptop where the single exhaust is located.

 

[ivikop]

Also on this site http/www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu?_ga=1.105298499.1754203143.1413413598 670mx is ranked better

 

[ivikop]

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[ivikop]

bumperino still need some advice anyone?

 

[Bolin]

Wow yeah... The cpu is indeed a limiting factor, that's why I'm trying to avoid a full amd combo, just imagine that card paired with an i7-4700... Shame they made that model full MSi because apparently it's one of the best cards out there. So I guess it would be more worth it to get an i7 and a less powerful Nvidia gpu because altogether it would perform better. I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min. The weak battery on the msi doesn't really concern me as I'm planning to use it as a desktop replacement, but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides. As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?

I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months.
PS: Thanks for replying and guiding me through this difficult choice

Razer Blade

Oh wow such a solution, you contributed so much in helping me. Please try not posting useless comments if you have nothing constructive to say.

" I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min"
The frequency of the disk is not really that important when gaming, levels will load quicker but it won't (or it will rarely) help in getting more fps

"but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides."
That's true though

"As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?"
I haven't had any experiences with overclocking, therefore I would be useless to tell

"I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months."

Okay, so... from the information we've gathered, it's narrowed down to i7 4700mq + 765m vs i7 3630mq + 670mx

i7 4700mq beats i7 3630mq. However, neither of them shouldn't be a botttleneck at all
765m vs 670mx
765 would clearly win by ~15% (stock). I don't know about overclocked values
The MSI wins specs-wise
The asus has an SSD and 1 more vRAM GB which are bonuses but they aren't deciding factors

Now if someone with more overclocking experience could help you I think you would be ready to select.
There's also the cooling, have you found any reviews specifying any of these systems heating to death/bluescreens/performing worse because of the heat limit?

I would personally take the 765 + i7 combination because it beats the 1st system by its stock values. The 850m + i5 4200h should also be pretty powerful as the GPU is even better and the CPU is quite powerful but it's dual core and even though not every game supports more than 2 cores it would certainly help IMO. The tough decision is 2nd vs 3rd if we ignore SSDs/disk speed (as we don't care about loading times), extra vRAM (as most games won't need more than 2GB and only 1 display is used), overclocking (this is subjective and hard to tell without some past experiences) and cooling (you can actually look at some reviews and I may not be of much use as I haven't owned any of these systems)

Thanks once again for being the only one who take his time to help me make my decision. http/www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GE70-i765M287-Notebook.98244.0.html According to notebookcheck, "The case surface warms up to almost 60 °C (140 °F) at some spots and the processor once again cannot maintain its clock during the stress test and throttles just after a couple of minutes. Better ventilation would have been beneficial for the GE70".
I have checked as you told me and many people are complaining that the temps go near 90 degrees. Apparently this model is known for heat issues due to only one exhaust.

On this forum http/forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/737377-nvidea-670mx-vs-765m.html which I don't really consider as a legit source of information, apparently 670mx has overclocking potential, but since you don't know nothing about it (neither do I), maybe someone else could jump in this thread. I found an overclocking of the exact same model http/www.overclock.net/t/1370714/gtx-670mx-overclocking-updated-custom-bios-file but I don't know much about benchmarks, could you tell me if they beat 765m? Also, concerning OCing, is it only enough to do it with msi afterburner, or is there more to it?

I know how heat problems are, I'm already facing them with my current laptop and they're very annoying, seems like I could fry eggs on the left side of my laptop where the single exhaust is located.

Hello again!
Given the Asus has significantly better cooling, its CPU should do well enough for gaming tasks and the 670mx isn't really a downgrade from 765m or 850m, it has 1GB more vram (2GB is already enough but more never hurts), same RAM, same HDD and an SSD (512GB) I would recommend that one if the heating in the MSI machine is really that bad, otherwise I would recommend the 2nd system as the GPU is slightly (~10%?) faster and also has a better CPU (which at this point really shouldn't be that much of an advantage in the usual tasks). But yeah, heating makes hardware throttle (and damages it), it's also very annoying as you said (or typed ), so the point of an slightly better GPU isn't worth it at all, it is even possible it runs slower because of the heat

 

[ivikop]

Wow yeah... The cpu is indeed a limiting factor, that's why I'm trying to avoid a full amd combo, just imagine that card paired with an i7-4700... Shame they made that model full MSi because apparently it's one of the best cards out there. So I guess it would be more worth it to get an i7 and a less powerful Nvidia gpu because altogether it would perform better. I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min. The weak battery on the msi doesn't really concern me as I'm planning to use it as a desktop replacement, but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides. As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?

I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months.
PS: Thanks for replying and guiding me through this difficult choice

Razer Blade

Oh wow such a solution, you contributed so much in helping me. Please try not posting useless comments if you have nothing constructive to say.

" I think I will put the i5 GTX 850m out of the consideration as the HDD is 5400rp/min"
The frequency of the disk is not really that important when gaming, levels will load quicker but it won't (or it will rarely) help in getting more fps

"but I've heard that their cooling is not the best, having only one exhaust on the left side, compared to the asus which has on both sides."
That's true though

"As far as overclocking is concerned, I've heard that 670MX is overclockable which makes it perform as a 770M. What do you think about that?"
I haven't had any experiences with overclocking, therefore I would be useless to tell

"I think that the choice is narrowing between the Asus and the msi, as I'm not really a fan of AMD, as there is no point of having a top of the line graphics card if the processor can't support it by providing good performance. And again, I'm planning on using it as a desktop replacement, only moving it once in two months."

Okay, so... from the information we've gathered, it's narrowed down to i7 4700mq + 765m vs i7 3630mq + 670mx

i7 4700mq beats i7 3630mq. However, neither of them shouldn't be a botttleneck at all
765m vs 670mx
765 would clearly win by ~15% (stock). I don't know about overclocked values
The MSI wins specs-wise
The asus has an SSD and 1 more vRAM GB which are bonuses but they aren't deciding factors

Now if someone with more overclocking experience could help you I think you would be ready to select.
There's also the cooling, have you found any reviews specifying any of these systems heating to death/bluescreens/performing worse because of the heat limit?

I would personally take the 765 + i7 combination because it beats the 1st system by its stock values. The 850m + i5 4200h should also be pretty powerful as the GPU is even better and the CPU is quite powerful but it's dual core and even though not every game supports more than 2 cores it would certainly help IMO. The tough decision is 2nd vs 3rd if we ignore SSDs/disk speed (as we don't care about loading times), extra vRAM (as most games won't need more than 2GB and only 1 display is used), overclocking (this is subjective and hard to tell without some past experiences) and cooling (you can actually look at some reviews and I may not be of much use as I haven't owned any of these systems)

Thanks once again for being the only one who take his time to help me make my decision. http/www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GE70-i765M287-Notebook.98244.0.html According to notebookcheck, "The case surface warms up to almost 60 °C (140 °F) at some spots and the processor once again cannot maintain its clock during the stress test and throttles just after a couple of minutes. Better ventilation would have been beneficial for the GE70".
I have checked as you told me and many people are complaining that the temps go near 90 degrees. Apparently this model is known for heat issues due to only one exhaust.

On this forum http/forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/737377-nvidea-670mx-vs-765m.html which I don't really consider as a legit source of information, apparently 670mx has overclocking potential, but since you don't know nothing about it (neither do I), maybe someone else could jump in this thread. I found an overclocking of the exact same model http/www.overclock.net/t/1370714/gtx-670mx-overclocking-updated-custom-bios-file but I don't know much about benchmarks, could you tell me if they beat 765m? Also, concerning OCing, is it only enough to do it with msi afterburner, or is there more to it?

I know how heat problems are, I'm already facing them with my current laptop and they're very annoying, seems like I could fry eggs on the left side of my laptop where the single exhaust is located.

Hello again!
Given the Asus has significantly better cooling, its CPU should do well enough for gaming tasks and the 670mx isn't really a downgrade from 765m or 850m, it has 1GB more vram (2GB is already enough but more never hurts), same RAM, same HDD and an SSD (512GB) I would recommend that one if the heating in the MSI machine is really that bad, otherwise I would recommend the 2nd system as the GPU is slightly (~10%?) faster and also has a better CPU (which at this point really shouldn't be that much of an advantage in the usual tasks). But yeah, heating makes hardware throttle (and damages it), it's also very annoying as you said (or typed ), so the point of an slightly better GPU isn't worth it at all, it is even possible it runs slower because of the heat

Thank you so much for your time and help, indeed I will choose the asus and overclock it to my will since I've read on the forums that the cooling is really efficient and that the card is highly overclockable
It's really time for me to get over laptops with heat problems, as my Amd quad core which is supposed to have a 3.2ghz turbo never runs above 2.6 because of the massive heat.