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I cannot believe the number of comments about this article that are just plain daft.
The problem is NOT that Youtube and Vimeo "aren't supporting" Firefox or Opera or IE8. If anything, it's the other way around. Youtube and Vimeo are upgrading to the new web standards that are coming down the pipeline. Chrome and Safari have already updated their browsers to support the new technology, while Firefox (yes, I realize 3.6 now supports it, but this is for comparison sake with previous comments made) implemented a different format of the new standards that doesn't work with the approach that Youtube and Vimeo took. While all the companies involved on both sides are, let's face it, JUGGERNAUTS, it will be content PROVIDERS who win the day, and the browsers are the ones who should be adapting their approach. People can always change browsers to a different one that works, but you can't just switch to another video streaming site, the reason being the existing sites already have all the content in place, whereas any alternative won't.
The problem is NOT that Youtube and Vimeo "aren't supporting" Firefox or Opera or IE8. If anything, it's the other way around. Youtube and Vimeo are upgrading to the new web standards that are coming down the pipeline. Chrome and Safari have already updated their browsers to support the new technology, while Firefox (yes, I realize 3.6 now supports it, but this is for comparison sake with previous comments made) implemented a different format of the new standards that doesn't work with the approach that Youtube and Vimeo took. While all the companies involved on both sides are, let's face it, JUGGERNAUTS, it will be content PROVIDERS who win the day, and the browsers are the ones who should be adapting their approach. People can always change browsers to a different one that works, but you can't just switch to another video streaming site, the reason being the existing sites already have all the content in place, whereas any alternative won't.
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[citation][nom]fafner[/nom]Good riddance! Now if we can also do away with that slow, ancient resource hog called Adobe Reader I'll be jumping for joy.[/citation]
You can:
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/
You can:
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/reader/
mitch074
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@xaios: initially, the HTML5 draft explicitly recommended Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis (as being patent-unencumbered, free of charge to implement, open source in the public domain - you can't make it more free than that).
Due to opposition from Nokia and Apple, these were removed. Current HTML5 draft doesn't define a codec nor a container format, but you can define several streams if one doesn't work.
the current solution is thus:
- Safari ships with a built-in H.264 and AAC decoder, which are under license. It will only decode these formats. Safari ships on Mac and Windows.
- Chrome ships with Theora, Ogg, H.264 and AAC decoders built-in, and will decode all of them; H.264 and AAC are under license. Chrome ships on Mac, Windows and Linux, but is still beta on the *NIX OSes.
- Firefox ships with Theora and Vorbis, as does Chromium (the open source version of Chrome), which are license-free. It ships on pretty much any platform you may think of, and mobile editions also support Ogg and Theora.
- Opera still has this feature in beta.
A solution under consideration by most browser makers is to rely upon the video platform provided by the OS (ActiveX/Media Player on Windows, Quicktime on Mac, gstreamer,xine,mplayer etc. on Linux) to do the actual decoding, but since this is still very much in flux, currently they simply provide their internal video interfaces.
Ideally, all browsers (including free ones) will be able to decode any format (including those under license) provided a codec for it (either a system one or an internal one) is installed.
If x264 (the Free H.264 implementation) wasn't illegal in some countries, Firefox would support H.264. Please also note that recent Theora encoders are getting very close to H.264's encoding quality/compression (previously, some tests made with a faulty version of Theora created washed out video with a high bitrate), and that Theora was designed so that an encoder improvement may not require a decoder modification or specific implementation (this is what bit MP3 in the arse, for those of you who remember when LAME' Variable Bitrate caused quite a stir).
Due to opposition from Nokia and Apple, these were removed. Current HTML5 draft doesn't define a codec nor a container format, but you can define several streams if one doesn't work.
the current solution is thus:
- Safari ships with a built-in H.264 and AAC decoder, which are under license. It will only decode these formats. Safari ships on Mac and Windows.
- Chrome ships with Theora, Ogg, H.264 and AAC decoders built-in, and will decode all of them; H.264 and AAC are under license. Chrome ships on Mac, Windows and Linux, but is still beta on the *NIX OSes.
- Firefox ships with Theora and Vorbis, as does Chromium (the open source version of Chrome), which are license-free. It ships on pretty much any platform you may think of, and mobile editions also support Ogg and Theora.
- Opera still has this feature in beta.
A solution under consideration by most browser makers is to rely upon the video platform provided by the OS (ActiveX/Media Player on Windows, Quicktime on Mac, gstreamer,xine,mplayer etc. on Linux) to do the actual decoding, but since this is still very much in flux, currently they simply provide their internal video interfaces.
Ideally, all browsers (including free ones) will be able to decode any format (including those under license) provided a codec for it (either a system one or an internal one) is installed.
If x264 (the Free H.264 implementation) wasn't illegal in some countries, Firefox would support H.264. Please also note that recent Theora encoders are getting very close to H.264's encoding quality/compression (previously, some tests made with a faulty version of Theora created washed out video with a high bitrate), and that Theora was designed so that an encoder improvement may not require a decoder modification or specific implementation (this is what bit MP3 in the arse, for those of you who remember when LAME' Variable Bitrate caused quite a stir).
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Can someone please shed light on the following..
What is the state of play now, with chipsets and graphics cards that claim to offer hardware acceleration for HD content? Does this means that these alternative formats are going to run transparently on this hardware? Many thanks.
What is the state of play now, with chipsets and graphics cards that claim to offer hardware acceleration for HD content? Does this means that these alternative formats are going to run transparently on this hardware? Many thanks.
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Hmmm... And this right after I got an ion based Netbook to take advantage of Adobe's GPU optimization.
I'll admit that the GPU is the first thing Adobe has done right in a decade, but I'm a bit ticked right now as there is no GPU suport in HTML5.
I'll admit that the GPU is the first thing Adobe has done right in a decade, but I'm a bit ticked right now as there is no GPU suport in HTML5.
It's about time! I have been disgusted at Adobe and their flash player for the past several years. CPU utilization has been awful with their product and don't get me started at the wonderful 64-bit support (how many years ago did 64-bit chips and OS's surface?). These guys simply got way too comfortable with the position in their market.
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I tried to go to youtube html5 test page but it doesn't work with new Firefox 3.6 still....
any ideas?
any ideas?
jenesuispasbavard
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Finally. Flash is one of the most inefficient pieces of crap I've ever seen. 720p video on Youtube occasionally stutters on my GTX 260M-based laptop!! Silverlight/HTML5 with GPU acceleration FTW, whoever plans to use it that is.
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