$10 charge to transfer data to new phone

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Not Me <me@privacy.net> typed:
> "Roger Binns" <rogerb@rogerbinns.com> wrote in message
> news:2f4b72-d66.ln1@home.rogerbinns.com...
>>
>> "Not Me" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:30fq8nF30isu7U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>> I forgot to mention that Verizon (and all the other carries) get the
>>> hardware and software for free as part of the spiff to buy the
>>> phones. The only requirement is for the carrier to sign a
>>> non-disclosure agreement.
>>
>> So who is the NDA with for equipment that can copy from an LG phone
>> to a Motorola phone?
>
> Typically NDA's in one form or the other are required by all
> manufactures for the interface to their specific equipment. VZN can
> be down load data from an NEC (under the NDA supplied
> hardware/software which includes pin outs) but not up loaded to a
> Motorola unless VZN also has an NDA and the required hardware/soft
> ware). All said and done it's not imposable for a third part to do
> the reverse engineering and supply hardware/software as well. The
> only hitch there is they make their money from that hardware/software
> and are unlikely to give it away as might be the case with an OEM.
>
> FWIW one of the reasons I was hired (back in the '80s) in the first
> place was that I had backward engineered the product, the company
> found out and wanted to know how I did it.

The mfgr supplied NDA will work with a specific phone to program it with new
software. It can also download information from the specific phone and to
upload it to that same phone.

Converting the information downloaded from one phone using the NDA supplied
by the mfgr to the structure required by a different phone so it can then be
uploaded using the NDA supplied by it's mfgr still requires software which
knows the structure of the information for all phones from all mfgrs.

 

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"IMHO"

| >>> I forgot to mention that Verizon (and all the other carries) get the
| >>> hardware and software for free as part of the spiff to buy the
| >>> phones. The only requirement is for the carrier to sign a
| >>> non-disclosure agreement.
| >>
| >> So who is the NDA with for equipment that can copy from an LG phone
| >> to a Motorola phone?
| >
| > Typically NDA's in one form or the other are required by all
| > manufactures for the interface to their specific equipment. VZN can
| > be down load data from an NEC (under the NDA supplied
| > hardware/software which includes pin outs) but not up loaded to a
| > Motorola unless VZN also has an NDA and the required hardware/soft
| > ware). All said and done it's not imposable for a third part to do
| > the reverse engineering and supply hardware/software as well. The
| > only hitch there is they make their money from that hardware/software
| > and are unlikely to give it away as might be the case with an OEM.
| >
| > FWIW one of the reasons I was hired (back in the '80s) in the first
| > place was that I had backward engineered the product, the company
| > found out and wanted to know how I did it.
|
| The mfgr supplied NDA will work with a specific phone to program it with
new
| software. It can also download information from the specific phone and to
| upload it to that same phone.
|
| Converting the information downloaded from one phone using the NDA
supplied
| by the mfgr to the structure required by a different phone so it can then
be
| uploaded using the NDA supplied by it's mfgr still requires software which
| knows the structure of the information for all phones from all mfgrs.

Once the data (including the format) from company one is known (usually in
one or more of the standard data formats such as comma delaminated) and the
required format for the recipient device of company two it is a trivial
matter to make the conversion.

As example data from Quicken can be exported to one of the standard formats
and uploaded to MS money via the same method. While it is possible for a
manufacture to use a non standard format that involves a lot of extra work
to little if any profit. This is especially so when the carrier customer
often specifies how the data will be presented as part of the RFQ.

 

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Not Me wrote:
>
> "IMHO"
>
> | >>> I forgot to mention that Verizon (and all the other carries) get the
> | >>> hardware and software for free as part of the spiff to buy the
> | >>> phones. The only requirement is for the carrier to sign a
> | >>> non-disclosure agreement.
> | >>
> | >> So who is the NDA with for equipment that can copy from an LG phone
> | >> to a Motorola phone?
> | >
> | > Typically NDA's in one form or the other are required by all
> | > manufactures for the interface to their specific equipment. VZN can
> | > be down load data from an NEC (under the NDA supplied
> | > hardware/software which includes pin outs) but not up loaded to a
> | > Motorola unless VZN also has an NDA and the required hardware/soft
> | > ware). All said and done it's not imposable for a third part to do
> | > the reverse engineering and supply hardware/software as well. The
> | > only hitch there is they make their money from that hardware/software
> | > and are unlikely to give it away as might be the case with an OEM.
> | >
> | > FWIW one of the reasons I was hired (back in the '80s) in the first
> | > place was that I had backward engineered the product, the company
> | > found out and wanted to know how I did it.
> |
> | The mfgr supplied NDA will work with a specific phone to program it with
> new
> | software. It can also download information from the specific phone and to
> | upload it to that same phone.
> |
> | Converting the information downloaded from one phone using the NDA
> supplied
> | by the mfgr to the structure required by a different phone so it can then
> be
> | uploaded using the NDA supplied by it's mfgr still requires software which
> | knows the structure of the information for all phones from all mfgrs.
>
> Once the data (including the format) from company one is known (usually in
> one or more of the standard data formats such as comma delaminated) and the
> required format for the recipient device of company two it is a trivial
> matter to make the conversion.
>
> As example data from Quicken can be exported to one of the standard formats
> and uploaded to MS money via the same method. While it is possible for a
> manufacture to use a non standard format that involves a lot of extra work
> to little if any profit. This is especially so when the carrier customer
> often specifies how the data will be presented as part of the RFQ.

"comma delaminated?"

You've been hanging around the alt.wood forums, haven't you? <g>

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Notan

 

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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
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| "comma delaminated?"
|
| You've been hanging around the alt.wood forums, haven't you? <g>
|
| Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

LOL -- I wonder why Red Green never use that one. <g>. FWIW I had open
heart surgery a while back and where I once could do business in four
language I'm having problems with (simple?) English. Still not a bad
outcome, considering the alternative.