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Yeah, it is amazing the drip in price that Dell has had on these. They were over $2000 just a few days ago and they are dropping the price rapidly. I already stated in the post here that Dell has some compelling products.
They are a little heavier than this unit at 6.6 lbs, your dell is most likely about 8.4 lbs due to the 9 cell battery. But when I was looking this Dell was about $2200 and I could not touch it. So that makes a difference. I know Dell will take it back but I did not want to waste that time.
Congratulations, did you get the LED Backlit screen? I would recommend those to anyone buying now as LED backlit will stay brighter longer than CCF screen. Oh some call them CCFL.
[citation][nom]Anonymous[/nom]i just got a dell studio 17" for $1660 2.66 ghzradeon 4670 512mb4 gb ram500gb 7200rpm hd1680 / 1050 led backlit screen9 cell 6 hour battery (ive got about 4 on high power mode and 7 on the lowest)nice case with 4 usb + a powered esata,hdmi,vga,firewire,wifi,bluetooth,fingerprint scanner,pci express port, 6 in 1 card reader(hidden well), array mics 1.3 mp cam, mic port 2 head phone ports (blessing)all for half the price of this machine (currently running windows 7 beta 2)[/citation]
They are a little heavier than this unit at 6.6 lbs, your dell is most likely about 8.4 lbs due to the 9 cell battery. But when I was looking this Dell was about $2200 and I could not touch it. So that makes a difference. I know Dell will take it back but I did not want to waste that time.
Congratulations, did you get the LED Backlit screen? I would recommend those to anyone buying now as LED backlit will stay brighter longer than CCF screen. Oh some call them CCFL.
[citation][nom]Anonymous[/nom]i just got a dell studio 17" for $1660 2.66 ghzradeon 4670 512mb4 gb ram500gb 7200rpm hd1680 / 1050 led backlit screen9 cell 6 hour battery (ive got about 4 on high power mode and 7 on the lowest)nice case with 4 usb + a powered esata,hdmi,vga,firewire,wifi,bluetooth,fingerprint scanner,pci express port, 6 in 1 card reader(hidden well), array mics 1.3 mp cam, mic port 2 head phone ports (blessing)all for half the price of this machine (currently running windows 7 beta 2)[/citation]
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6.6 LBS for a 17" laptop in a high sierra bag from ebags, easy as pie to carry.
OK Alienware has one at 10 LBS as do many other brands
Wow, laptop nukes? does DHS know this? How many city blocks are taken out when it happens? Oh maybe you meant the bad NVidia cards that every laptop vendor that picked NVidia has. or maybe they really do explode, hope I learn about that sooner than later.
I actually don't think any company is that happy with the bad NVidia cards but I thought they were pretty much making a good faith effort to repair those issue. Maybe I am wrong, if you know otherwise please chat in.
[citation][nom]midnightgun[/nom]My first thought... Man.. 17" laptops are just to big to lug around.My 2nd thought... Man... What a nice gaming rid I could make for that much money.My third thought... For the person who bought this sake... I hope Apple has learned from it's mistakes and not made another laptop that nukes itself the majority of the time.Pretty laptop though.[/citation]
OK Alienware has one at 10 LBS as do many other brands
Wow, laptop nukes? does DHS know this? How many city blocks are taken out when it happens? Oh maybe you meant the bad NVidia cards that every laptop vendor that picked NVidia has. or maybe they really do explode, hope I learn about that sooner than later.
I actually don't think any company is that happy with the bad NVidia cards but I thought they were pretty much making a good faith effort to repair those issue. Maybe I am wrong, if you know otherwise please chat in.
[citation][nom]midnightgun[/nom]My first thought... Man.. 17" laptops are just to big to lug around.My 2nd thought... Man... What a nice gaming rid I could make for that much money.My third thought... For the person who bought this sake... I hope Apple has learned from it's mistakes and not made another laptop that nukes itself the majority of the time.Pretty laptop though.[/citation]
No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.
Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)
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One post is fine, I actually like the centered keyboard without the number pad because I do not use it but I can understand the desire to have it. It was not the main criteria for my purchase.
[citation][nom]flic[/nom]No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)[/citation]
[citation][nom]flic[/nom]No numeric keypad and this is called a "Pro".My old LG LW60 has one and was the 1st buying criteria.Sorry, but I won't give a penny for this "bad hardware/awesome software" laptop (strange for a hardware company that hardware sucks, software rocks)[/citation]
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Keyboard
A keyboard is really just a keyboard. Any keyboard you use takes a small bit of getting used to, and then you're set. I'll agree that the keys feel more stout than the traditional notebook keyboard, but LED backlit keys are completely redundant, especially if your fancy LED display is as bright as you say. Plus you're forced to use that horrible excuse for a touchpad. I can never click anything accurately with that atrosity.
Unibody
Yes, it looks nice. But durability is not something you can argue with a Mac. Litterally everyone I know with a Mac notebook has to use an external display because something goes wrong with the either the backlight, connection, or matrix controller.
Weight
Really? One pound makes a difference? And your argument that adding more accessories only makes that one pound less important. It goes from being about a 15% disadvantage between just the notebooks to about 7%
Magsafe
Magsafe sucks. Cool idea, and it works great for a while, but right about the time that your battery dies, that little magnet that holds in the cord will start losing its strength. My friend ran into this problem with his iBook (I'm pretty sure it was an iBook anyways). He had to tape it into place.
Screen
Not much argument from me here. I'm all for LED screens. Only problem comes from the fact that Macs have a ridiculously high failure rate when it comes to notebook displays. One can only hope that they fixed that issue with this new line, but I doubt it.
Security
Obviously, as pointed out by your in your Pwn2Own reference, OSX is far easier to hack than a PC, but the fact that most OSX owners are rich morons, hints that the main target of attacks will change pretty soon.
Battery
Li-polymer batteries actually discharge faster and are much more fragile than Li-ion. By fragile, I mean there's a lot more that can go wrong that would render a cell and/or battery useless. They're extremely picky about voltages. Any undervoltage at all will kill the cell. Because the discharge rate is twice as fast as Li-ion, the odds of hitting that undervolt point is much more likely. Quick scenario: long car ride, laptop is completely drained, after just a few hours without recharging it could leave the battery useless.
Customer Support
Every time (except once) I've gone with a friend to the Apple Store to have their Mac serviced, the people there have no idea what to do or even what they're talking about. The one time someone did know something, he also told my friend that she should just get a PC in the future. True story.
Green
Re-read my other arguments and you'll see where all your points fail here too. Battery will fail before 5 years, unibody design wastes material, etc...Stop being brainwashed by Mac's blatantly false commercials.
Mac's ability to run any OS
That's really just pointing out how monopolistic Apple is, isnt it? The only reason other systems can't (and I say can't lightly) run OSX is because Apple wont let them.
Conclusion
What it comes down to is you're paying about $1200 more for an LED keyboard, OSX, and weighing a pound less. Lets say the keyboard is worth $50 and that one pound is worth another $50. That's still $1100 for an OS. Ok, ok...LED display while it works and that nice look of the case is worth another $100. Still $1000 for an OS...
I hope you feel good about your purchase now.
A keyboard is really just a keyboard. Any keyboard you use takes a small bit of getting used to, and then you're set. I'll agree that the keys feel more stout than the traditional notebook keyboard, but LED backlit keys are completely redundant, especially if your fancy LED display is as bright as you say. Plus you're forced to use that horrible excuse for a touchpad. I can never click anything accurately with that atrosity.
Unibody
Yes, it looks nice. But durability is not something you can argue with a Mac. Litterally everyone I know with a Mac notebook has to use an external display because something goes wrong with the either the backlight, connection, or matrix controller.
Weight
Really? One pound makes a difference? And your argument that adding more accessories only makes that one pound less important. It goes from being about a 15% disadvantage between just the notebooks to about 7%
Magsafe
Magsafe sucks. Cool idea, and it works great for a while, but right about the time that your battery dies, that little magnet that holds in the cord will start losing its strength. My friend ran into this problem with his iBook (I'm pretty sure it was an iBook anyways). He had to tape it into place.
Screen
Not much argument from me here. I'm all for LED screens. Only problem comes from the fact that Macs have a ridiculously high failure rate when it comes to notebook displays. One can only hope that they fixed that issue with this new line, but I doubt it.
Security
Obviously, as pointed out by your in your Pwn2Own reference, OSX is far easier to hack than a PC, but the fact that most OSX owners are rich morons, hints that the main target of attacks will change pretty soon.
Battery
Li-polymer batteries actually discharge faster and are much more fragile than Li-ion. By fragile, I mean there's a lot more that can go wrong that would render a cell and/or battery useless. They're extremely picky about voltages. Any undervoltage at all will kill the cell. Because the discharge rate is twice as fast as Li-ion, the odds of hitting that undervolt point is much more likely. Quick scenario: long car ride, laptop is completely drained, after just a few hours without recharging it could leave the battery useless.
Customer Support
Every time (except once) I've gone with a friend to the Apple Store to have their Mac serviced, the people there have no idea what to do or even what they're talking about. The one time someone did know something, he also told my friend that she should just get a PC in the future. True story.
Green
Re-read my other arguments and you'll see where all your points fail here too. Battery will fail before 5 years, unibody design wastes material, etc...Stop being brainwashed by Mac's blatantly false commercials.
Mac's ability to run any OS
That's really just pointing out how monopolistic Apple is, isnt it? The only reason other systems can't (and I say can't lightly) run OSX is because Apple wont let them.
Conclusion
What it comes down to is you're paying about $1200 more for an LED keyboard, OSX, and weighing a pound less. Lets say the keyboard is worth $50 and that one pound is worth another $50. That's still $1100 for an OS. Ok, ok...LED display while it works and that nice look of the case is worth another $100. Still $1000 for an OS...
I hope you feel good about your purchase now.
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OK I will try to address your comments one by one.
1) if a keyboard is just a keyboard, they why do some like soft keyboards and some stiff. Some like keys with long compressioin ranges and some shallow. Keyboards are not just keyboards but you should get one that works for you. For me the Apple keyboards are great
2) Well, how can you argue with litterally everyone I know who has a Mac laptop has an external monitor. Guess they never really need a laptop in the first place. Your arguement here makes no sense and there is no data backing it up. Apple consistantly is near or at the top of the reliability charts.
3)Well maybe a pound on a laptop makes no difference for you but for me it does. If you don't need to save weight then don't, for me it is worth a lot to save a pound or two here and there.
4) Well since the Magsafe was not introduced until 2006 with the intel based Apple products then I guess he can't really have it with an iBook, I have 3 of these power supplies and not one has had the magenet fail. The early units did have a problem with the cord seperating at the power connector but they replaced those free of charge and the new units have a reinforced cable.
5) Same as 2, no data to back it up, they have a fair reliability rate so maybe they are not the best ever but they are far from the worse. This seems to just be Apple hatred and not facts.
6) Perfect example of your clear distaste for Apple and not reality. You just quoted the fact that OS X is hackable but totally misrepresented the fact that Mr. Miller and I both said it is not targeted so it is therefore safer. I also said to be sure to use a security suite on either OS.
7) Well again seems to be your experiance as they consistantly get excellent ratings for their service. This is in almost every survey conducted. I have never seen Apple rated poorly for customer service. So sorry for your experiance but very few have anything like that.
8) So now Apple is paying off the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool, or EPEAT to say they are a more green company. They just made it up for all of us to be brainwashed. Nice, the force is really strong at Apple.
9) Actually my point was that you could run OS X and Windows. So you get the best of both worlds, OS X closed platform and windows flexibility.
10) So your point is that your paying way to much for a laptop you don't like or need, well then don't. Buy what works for you, I am completely happy about my purchase beyond the things that I already stated. Your clearly looking for reasons to hate Apple so go ahead, your just reinforcing the openning statement that I made, it is just hardware and all you Fanboys just keep hating each other or maybe you can figure it out. Buy what works for you and don't be afraid to try something new.
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]KeyboardA keyboard is really just a keyboard. Any keyboard you use takes a small bit of getting used to, and then you're set. I'll agree that the keys feel more stout than the traditional notebook keyboard, but LED backlit keys are completely redundant, especially if your fancy LED display is as bright as you say. Plus you're forced to use that horrible excuse for a touchpad. I can never click anything accurately with that atrosity.UnibodyYes, it looks nice. But durability is not something you can argue with a Mac. Litterally everyone I know with a Mac notebook has to use an external display because something goes wrong with the either the backlight, connection, or matrix controller.WeightReally? One pound makes a difference? And your argument that adding more accessories only makes that one pound less important. It goes from being about a 15% disadvantage between just the notebooks to about 7%MagsafeMagsafe sucks. Cool idea, and it works great for a while, but right about the time that your battery dies, that little magnet that holds in the cord will start losing its strength. My friend ran into this problem with his iBook (I'm pretty sure it was an iBook anyways). He had to tape it into place.ScreenNot much argument from me here. I'm all for LED screens. Only problem comes from the fact that Macs have a ridiculously high failure rate when it comes to notebook displays. One can only hope that they fixed that issue with this new line, but I doubt it.SecurityObviously, as pointed out by your in your Pwn2Own reference, OSX is far easier to hack than a PC, but the fact that most OSX owners are rich morons, hints that the main target of attacks will change pretty soon.BatteryLi-polymer batteries actually discharge faster and are much more fragile than Li-ion. By fragile, I mean there's a lot more that can go wrong that would render a cell and/or battery useless. They're extremely picky about voltages. Any undervoltage at all will kill the cell. Because the discharge rate is twice as fast as Li-ion, the odds of hitting that undervolt point is much more likely. Quick scenario: long car ride, laptop is completely drained, after just a few hours without recharging it could leave the battery useless.Customer SupportEvery time (except once) I've gone with a friend to the Apple Store to have their Mac serviced, the people there have no idea what to do or even what they're talking about. The one time someone did know something, he also told my friend that she should just get a PC in the future. True story.GreenRe-read my other arguments and you'll see where all your points fail here too. Battery will fail before 5 years, unibody design wastes material, etc...Stop being brainwashed by Mac's blatantly false commercials.Mac's ability to run any OSThat's really just pointing out how monopolistic Apple is, isnt it? The only reason other systems can't (and I say can't lightly) run OSX is because Apple wont let them.ConclusionWhat it comes down to is you're paying about $1200 more for an LED keyboard, OSX, and weighing a pound less. Lets say the keyboard is worth $50 and that one pound is worth another $50. That's still $1100 for an OS. Ok, ok...LED display while it works and that nice look of the case is worth another $100. Still $1000 for an OS...I hope you feel good about your purchase now.[/citation]
1) if a keyboard is just a keyboard, they why do some like soft keyboards and some stiff. Some like keys with long compressioin ranges and some shallow. Keyboards are not just keyboards but you should get one that works for you. For me the Apple keyboards are great
2) Well, how can you argue with litterally everyone I know who has a Mac laptop has an external monitor. Guess they never really need a laptop in the first place. Your arguement here makes no sense and there is no data backing it up. Apple consistantly is near or at the top of the reliability charts.
3)Well maybe a pound on a laptop makes no difference for you but for me it does. If you don't need to save weight then don't, for me it is worth a lot to save a pound or two here and there.
4) Well since the Magsafe was not introduced until 2006 with the intel based Apple products then I guess he can't really have it with an iBook, I have 3 of these power supplies and not one has had the magenet fail. The early units did have a problem with the cord seperating at the power connector but they replaced those free of charge and the new units have a reinforced cable.
5) Same as 2, no data to back it up, they have a fair reliability rate so maybe they are not the best ever but they are far from the worse. This seems to just be Apple hatred and not facts.
6) Perfect example of your clear distaste for Apple and not reality. You just quoted the fact that OS X is hackable but totally misrepresented the fact that Mr. Miller and I both said it is not targeted so it is therefore safer. I also said to be sure to use a security suite on either OS.
7) Well again seems to be your experiance as they consistantly get excellent ratings for their service. This is in almost every survey conducted. I have never seen Apple rated poorly for customer service. So sorry for your experiance but very few have anything like that.
8) So now Apple is paying off the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool, or EPEAT to say they are a more green company. They just made it up for all of us to be brainwashed. Nice, the force is really strong at Apple.
9) Actually my point was that you could run OS X and Windows. So you get the best of both worlds, OS X closed platform and windows flexibility.
10) So your point is that your paying way to much for a laptop you don't like or need, well then don't. Buy what works for you, I am completely happy about my purchase beyond the things that I already stated. Your clearly looking for reasons to hate Apple so go ahead, your just reinforcing the openning statement that I made, it is just hardware and all you Fanboys just keep hating each other or maybe you can figure it out. Buy what works for you and don't be afraid to try something new.
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]KeyboardA keyboard is really just a keyboard. Any keyboard you use takes a small bit of getting used to, and then you're set. I'll agree that the keys feel more stout than the traditional notebook keyboard, but LED backlit keys are completely redundant, especially if your fancy LED display is as bright as you say. Plus you're forced to use that horrible excuse for a touchpad. I can never click anything accurately with that atrosity.UnibodyYes, it looks nice. But durability is not something you can argue with a Mac. Litterally everyone I know with a Mac notebook has to use an external display because something goes wrong with the either the backlight, connection, or matrix controller.WeightReally? One pound makes a difference? And your argument that adding more accessories only makes that one pound less important. It goes from being about a 15% disadvantage between just the notebooks to about 7%MagsafeMagsafe sucks. Cool idea, and it works great for a while, but right about the time that your battery dies, that little magnet that holds in the cord will start losing its strength. My friend ran into this problem with his iBook (I'm pretty sure it was an iBook anyways). He had to tape it into place.ScreenNot much argument from me here. I'm all for LED screens. Only problem comes from the fact that Macs have a ridiculously high failure rate when it comes to notebook displays. One can only hope that they fixed that issue with this new line, but I doubt it.SecurityObviously, as pointed out by your in your Pwn2Own reference, OSX is far easier to hack than a PC, but the fact that most OSX owners are rich morons, hints that the main target of attacks will change pretty soon.BatteryLi-polymer batteries actually discharge faster and are much more fragile than Li-ion. By fragile, I mean there's a lot more that can go wrong that would render a cell and/or battery useless. They're extremely picky about voltages. Any undervoltage at all will kill the cell. Because the discharge rate is twice as fast as Li-ion, the odds of hitting that undervolt point is much more likely. Quick scenario: long car ride, laptop is completely drained, after just a few hours without recharging it could leave the battery useless.Customer SupportEvery time (except once) I've gone with a friend to the Apple Store to have their Mac serviced, the people there have no idea what to do or even what they're talking about. The one time someone did know something, he also told my friend that she should just get a PC in the future. True story.GreenRe-read my other arguments and you'll see where all your points fail here too. Battery will fail before 5 years, unibody design wastes material, etc...Stop being brainwashed by Mac's blatantly false commercials.Mac's ability to run any OSThat's really just pointing out how monopolistic Apple is, isnt it? The only reason other systems can't (and I say can't lightly) run OSX is because Apple wont let them.ConclusionWhat it comes down to is you're paying about $1200 more for an LED keyboard, OSX, and weighing a pound less. Lets say the keyboard is worth $50 and that one pound is worth another $50. That's still $1100 for an OS. Ok, ok...LED display while it works and that nice look of the case is worth another $100. Still $1000 for an OS...I hope you feel good about your purchase now.[/citation]
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Hey Bill, since you so love to throw your money away, would you care to buy me a MacBook pro? I'd love to write an in depth review about it. I'll even return it to you afterwords secretly, so you can still brag about throwing your money away without really being out any (got that bragging part from an earlier comment...thought it was cute, lol).
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No thanks, I do not like to do either.
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]Hey Bill, since you so love to throw your money away, would you care to buy me a MacBook pro? I'd love to write an in depth review about it. I'll even return it to you afterwords secretly, so you can still brag about throwing your money away without really being out any (got that bragging part from an earlier comment...thought it was cute, lol).[/citation]
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]Hey Bill, since you so love to throw your money away, would you care to buy me a MacBook pro? I'd love to write an in depth review about it. I'll even return it to you afterwords secretly, so you can still brag about throwing your money away without really being out any (got that bragging part from an earlier comment...thought it was cute, lol).[/citation]
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I am a strong suppoerter of windows. That said, Mac Laptops are the best engineered laptops out of all of them. I might not like apple but they do a hell of a job on them and while ill never buy an Mac PC, if I were to buy a laptop I would buy an apple and stick vista in it.
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I would also like to add, that If you feel like a laptop is worth its price, then there is no reason not to get it. For excample, I pay $2300 for a motion tablet pc. Bear in mind that this tablet has no keyboard, or cd drive. What it does have is the features that i need. It is a touch screen wacom penabled computer less than an inch thick, the batteries are hot swappable (2 batteries BTW) and last up to 7 hrs. It has a low watt and power c2d cpu, 4gb ram, 12.1 inch screen (take that 17" macbook) and intel integrated graphics. Now in comparison, this laptop looks alike a horrible deal @ that price but fr me its worth every penny. I hate conventional laptops and had a rather nice sony one that i sold for one of these motions. Check it out @ http
/motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_J34.asp
I would not give it up for the world
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Great point, the whole idea of this that Apple makes some nice products and if you really compare them, some of them offer a great value. Plus if those features are what you need then it is an exceptional value. I will say it again, buy what works for you 
[citation][nom]cielmerlion[/nom]I would also like to add, that If you feel like a laptop is worth its price, then there is no reason not to get it. For excample, I pay $2300 for a motion tablet pc. Bear in mind that this tablet has no keyboard, or cd drive. What it does have is the features that i need. It is a touch screen wacom penabled computer less than an inch thick, the batteries are hot swappable (2 batteries BTW) and last up to 7 hrs. It has a low watt and power c2d cpu, 4gb ram, 12.1 inch screen (take that 17" macbook) and intel integrated graphics. Now in comparison, this laptop looks alike a horrible deal @ that price but fr me its worth every penny. I hate conventional laptops and had a rather nice sony one that i sold for one of these motions. Check it out @ http/motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_J34.aspI would not give it up for the world[/citation]
[citation][nom]cielmerlion[/nom]I would also like to add, that If you feel like a laptop is worth its price, then there is no reason not to get it. For excample, I pay $2300 for a motion tablet pc. Bear in mind that this tablet has no keyboard, or cd drive. What it does have is the features that i need. It is a touch screen wacom penabled computer less than an inch thick, the batteries are hot swappable (2 batteries BTW) and last up to 7 hrs. It has a low watt and power c2d cpu, 4gb ram, 12.1 inch screen (take that 17" macbook) and intel integrated graphics. Now in comparison, this laptop looks alike a horrible deal @ that price but fr me its worth every penny. I hate conventional laptops and had a rather nice sony one that i sold for one of these motions. Check it out @ http
/motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_J34.aspI would not give it up for the world[/citation]Lunatic Magnet
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[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]SecurityObviously, as pointed out by your in your Pwn2Own reference, OSX is far easier to hack than a PC, but the fact that most OSX owners are rich morons, hints that the main target of attacks will change pretty soon.[/citation]
People often skew this greatly, especially anti-apple people. The pwn2own competition was a man in the middle attack using Safari. That same vulnerability would also be there on PC using Safari. If the breech was in Firefox or IE would that mean it's an OS hack? The hack is an application security issue not necessarily an OS hack. Still, much of the OSX security is security through obscurity. If Apple had the market share that Microsoft has it could well be a different story.
For many of the posters here even if they were given this MacBook and $3000 they couldn't quantify their negative opinions beyond "apple sucks."
People often skew this greatly, especially anti-apple people. The pwn2own competition was a man in the middle attack using Safari. That same vulnerability would also be there on PC using Safari. If the breech was in Firefox or IE would that mean it's an OS hack? The hack is an application security issue not necessarily an OS hack. Still, much of the OSX security is security through obscurity. If Apple had the market share that Microsoft has it could well be a different story.
For many of the posters here even if they were given this MacBook and $3000 they couldn't quantify their negative opinions beyond "apple sucks."
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For the most part, I dont think that Macs suck. It's Apple's shady marketting that I dont like. Some companies rely on half truths or flashy colors, but Apple takes it a step furth, to the point that they're essentially lying about their product. Then on top of that, they go ahead and overcharge the people they're lying to.
[citation][nom]cadder[/nom]The iFruit laptops are nice products. You get the impression that they design and build a product as nice as they can build it, then figure out how to price it to make money and pay for their ad campaigns. If a person wants the nice product and has the money, that's their business. I buy some products based on quality, others based on price. Virtually every point made in the article talks about how nice the product is, can't argue with that. You can certainly spend a lot of money on a top Lenovo or other brands for instance.I bought a Dell Latitude, spec'd as good or better than the iFruits. I got a P9500 at 2.53GHz, a 15" LED display made by the same manufacturer that the iFruits use, 9 cell battery, and spent less than 40% of what the 17" iFruit cost. It's a very solid machine but not quite as "pretty" as the Apple. If Apple had made a 100% equivalent machine with Vista installed, I might have considered it for $100 more, but that's about it.It will be great when other manufacturers start using that battery technology. Batteries have been a sore spot for almost all manufacturers.[/citation]
So you compare a slower laptop with a smaller screen and say it costs less. Wow, you are a genius.
So you compare a slower laptop with a smaller screen and say it costs less. Wow, you are a genius.
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Like the HP ads with all the stars using their products or Coke using sports stars, advertising using this to win people over but they should have more truth.
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]For the most part, I dont think that Macs suck. It's Apple's shady marketting that I dont like. Some companies rely on half truths or flashy colors, but Apple takes it a step furth, to the point that they're essentially lying about their product. Then on top of that, they go ahead and overcharge the people they're lying to.[/citation]
[citation][nom]quantumrand[/nom]For the most part, I dont think that Macs suck. It's Apple's shady marketting that I dont like. Some companies rely on half truths or flashy colors, but Apple takes it a step furth, to the point that they're essentially lying about their product. Then on top of that, they go ahead and overcharge the people they're lying to.[/citation]
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